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Offline mbarreto  
#1 Posted : 03 December 2019 13:17:15(UTC)
mbarreto

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Hello,

I bought a 3023.2 that I am waiting to arrive by post. It doesn't have the manual, so I ask
if someone of you can post here the pdf of the 3023.2 manual/instructions booklet, please.

The item comes in a Märklin box but in the catalogue it appears as a HAMO locomotive. I was surprised when I saw it as I though HAMO was only for 2 rails locmotives.

It also seems that the 3023s are an evolution of the MS800, and in that case the 3023 is a Märklin original.

If this is correct, then it seems the production of the 3023 was given to HAMO but the locomotive was branded as Märklin.

Can someone clarify, please?

Edited by user 07 December 2019 23:04:23(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline ktsolias  
#2 Posted : 03 December 2019 14:25:11(UTC)
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Hi

3023.2 is a kit loco the 3923 maybe I am wrong

The plans are here

3023_explo.pdf (212kb) downloaded 58 time(s).

When the loco arrive lets us to know what is exactly

Costas
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Offline mbarreto  
#3 Posted : 03 December 2019 15:09:45(UTC)
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Hi Costas,

Thanks for your reply and the exploded view. Do you know if there are more instructions beyond the exploded view?
Below is an image I took from the seller.
When it arrives I will send more images, including an image of the box.

3023

Miguel




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Offline Markus Schild  
#4 Posted : 03 December 2019 16:09:00(UTC)
Markus Schild

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Hi,

The 3023 came with this manual. Only with an additional stamp "3023".

ba-3024-68324-kn-0458.pdf (2,502kb) downloaded 52 time(s).

The main-difference between the HAMO and the MÄRKLIN loco is the missing manual reversing switch and the HAMO - stamp on the underside. But early 3923 kits contained that switch again.

Regards

Markus
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Offline mbarreto  
#5 Posted : 03 December 2019 16:53:33(UTC)
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Hi,

Thank you Markus.

Regards,
Miguel
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Offline TEEWolf  
#6 Posted : 03 December 2019 21:59:45(UTC)
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Here are informations from the Maerklin-Sammler-Infos.

http://maerklin-sammler-...omotiven/03023/03023.htm

and Lokmuseum

https://www.lokmuseum.de...lau&Seite=1&SID=
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Offline TrainIride  
#7 Posted : 04 December 2019 12:59:00(UTC)
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And you can have a look at my 3024/3023 post here:

https://www.marklin-user...-3024-little-restoration

Best Regards
Joël

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Offline TEEWolf  
#8 Posted : 04 December 2019 13:29:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TrainIride Go to Quoted Post
And you can have a look at my 3024/3023 post here:

https://www.marklin-user...-3024-little-restoration

Best Regards
Joël



Wow what a helpful and very good thread from 3 years ago! You should rename it. Not 3024 little restoration - it is much more! It is a general help in restoration of analogue locos!ThumpUp

Then an admin should keep it always at a seen ans/or easy finding place in the forum. Especially there are more and more members coming up who had nothing to do with a MRR so far. But by a heritage of MRR parts or even total layout, they came to this hobby and want to start playing with a MRR. They all need support for the analogue mode railroad first and then the switch to the digital layouts. This thread would be a very good entrance into the MRR hobby.ThumpUp
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Offline mbarreto  
#9 Posted : 04 December 2019 23:08:49(UTC)
mbarreto

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Originally Posted by: TrainIride Go to Quoted Post
And you can have a look at my 3024/3023 post here:

https://www.marklin-user...-3024-little-restoration

Best Regards
Joël



Thanks for the link for your thread. It is a good one ThumpUp

Regards,
Miguel


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Offline TrainIride  
#10 Posted : 05 December 2019 08:56:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TrainIride Go to Quoted Post
And you can have a look at my 3024/3023 post here:

https://www.marklin-user...-3024-little-restoration

Best Regards
Joël



Wow what a helpful and very good thread from 3 years ago! You should rename it. Not 3024 little restoration - it is much more! It is a general help in restoration of analogue locos!ThumpUp

Then an admin should keep it always at a seen ans/or easy finding place in the forum. Especially there are more and more members coming up who had nothing to do with a MRR so far. But by a heritage of MRR parts or even total layout, they came to this hobby and want to start playing with a MRR. They all need support for the analogue mode railroad first and then the switch to the digital layouts. This thread would be a very good entrance into the MRR hobby.ThumpUp


Thank you so much !
I am glad you appreciate this thread.
Best Regards
Joël
Offline TrainIride  
#11 Posted : 05 December 2019 08:58:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TrainIride Go to Quoted Post
And you can have a look at my 3024/3023 post here:

https://www.marklin-user...-3024-little-restoration

Best Regards
Joël



Thanks for the link for your thread. It is a good one ThumpUp

Regards,
Miguel




Hi Miguel,

Thank you !

I am sure you will enjoy this model !

Best Regards
Joël
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Offline mbarreto  
#12 Posted : 06 December 2019 14:00:10(UTC)
mbarreto

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It arrived and is fully functional. Later or tomorrow I will update with images and some comments and doubts.

Miguel
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Offline mbarreto  
#13 Posted : 07 December 2019 10:46:44(UTC)
mbarreto

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Hello,
Below are the photos I took.






Although the locotive is fully functional the ride is not as smooth as I would like. It has a small amplitude trembling that sometimes almost disapears and seems to be more on the cogwheels end but I can't confirm this as 100% exact yet.
Although at first sight all seems normal it is like if one of the wheels is not completely perfect. I have to investigate further.

The last photo is the box identification. Is it from 1959? As the locomotive is a 3023.2 (it just has 1 lever for switch power from pantograph and it doesn't have a lever to reverse) it is from 1965 or a 3923 (not the earliest) and the box seems not to be original. Am I right?

Miguel
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Offline TrainIride  
#14 Posted : 07 December 2019 12:51:19(UTC)
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Hi Miguel.

Congratulations for this lovely loco.

For sure the blue box is from march 1959.

For the loco, maybe you will never know, has it been repaired with newer parts, ....

If the ride is not as smooth as it must be,
maybe you will have to do some servicing;
oiling, don't forget the two foams of the motor
replacing brushes
cleaning dust everywhere
replacing traction tires - often creating trembling behavior when worn out.

By opening it carefully, you will discover more informations
to find the date of manufacture, considering the appearance of the electric parts.

I wish you a good investigation !

Best Regards
Joël
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Offline mbarreto  
#15 Posted : 07 December 2019 13:11:22(UTC)
mbarreto

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Hi Joël,

Thanks for your post and sugestions! I just opened it for a first inspection and i will order new tires at least.

I post some photos of the locomotive opened and it was not so hard to open it after read your post on the 3024 :) It is helping.
I also removed the driving axles and they look good. In general the motor, brushes and coils look good, but I need to find the trembling.









Regards,
Miguel
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Offline TrainIride  
#16 Posted : 07 December 2019 13:37:05(UTC)
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your loco looks great and in very good condition !

As I can compare between my green 3024 from 1959, and my unboxed blue 3023 from I don't know when,
I can confirm the motor parts are the same as my blue 3023.
So, you have certainly a model from the 60's and above.

Good luck to resolve the "trembling" .

Best Regards
Joël




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Offline jvuye  
#17 Posted : 07 December 2019 16:09:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto Go to Quoted Post
Hi Joël,

Thanks for your post and sugestions! I just opened it for a first inspection and i will order new tires at least.

I post some photos of the locomotive opened and it was not so hard to open it after read your post on the 3024 :) It is helping.
I also removed the driving axles and they look good. In general the motor, brushes and coils look good, but I need to find the trembling.

...

Regards,
Miguel


Hi there Miguel!

The "wobbling" is inherent to the design of the loco, and little if anything can be done to solve this little "cosmetic" defect!
You must have noticed that there is a lot of lateral "play" on all the axles of the loco, so even standing stil you can literally twist it left and right while on the track.
It is a little better when the powered axles are in front, but then the available traction is a little less.
However you'll notice that it will tend to improve as you add a good load of coaches behind the engine.
Still, despite all that, they are some of my favorites too! BigGrin
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Offline mbarreto  
#18 Posted : 07 December 2019 16:42:47(UTC)
mbarreto

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Originally Posted by: jvuye Go to Quoted Post

Hi there Miguel!

The "wobbling" is inherent to the design of the loco, and little if anything can be done to solve this little "cosmetic" defect!
You must have noticed that there is a lot of lateral "play" on all the axles of the loco, so even standing stil you can literally twist it left and right while on the track.
It is a little better when the powered axles are in front, but then the available traction is a little less.
However you'll notice that it will tend to improve as you add a good load of coaches behind the engine.
Still, despite all that, they are some of my favorites too! BigGrin


Hi,
Thanks for your post and valuable information!
And yes, I noticed a lot of lateral "play" on the axles. It is pitty there is not much to do about the "wobbling" but if it is like that, then let it be so and be happy with it. Not a big issue at all.
Like you, I also really like this locmotive. It is heavy (around 600 grams) and it looks good even when it is near a much more modern locomotive like the BR103 39150.

Regards,
Miguel


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Offline TrainIride  
#19 Posted : 09 December 2019 11:21:11(UTC)
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Hi Miguel,

you can watch hereafter the behaviour of my both 3023/3024:

you can see the 1959 3024 is a bit more shaky.




Considering the "wobbling" phenomenon and all it possible causes,
I have just finish the tests on my brand "new" 1964 3022 E94 and discovered
after full servicing, the loco was still trembling a bit, depending the speed.

For me, it is because one of the front wheel of the motor bogie is lightly twisted.Blink
The only solution for me is to replace carefully this axle, with special tools...

Best regards
Joël
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Offline mbarreto  
#20 Posted : 09 December 2019 12:31:59(UTC)
mbarreto

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Hi Joël,

Thanks for the video and for your post. I see that your 3024 wobbles a bit more indeed.
Your pair of locos 3023 and 3024 running together looks great.
During the week I will also do a short video and show you my 3023 and also a 3022 from 1964 (the year I was born), although the 3022 has a much smoother ride IMHO.

Out of this topic, but as I don't have a video of the 3023 yet, I post here an unedited video I recorded with the phone and posted in youtube. It is a BR23 and a BR103 39150. I made it just for show the 2 locomotives to a friend that couldn't come here to see them , so I didn't care with edition. It was done with phone in one hand and the MS2 in the other (not os easy to control everything at the same time). These 2 have a smooth ride :-)



Best regards,
Miguel
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Offline river6109  
#21 Posted : 09 December 2019 14:38:31(UTC)
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I've bought 2 of these 3923 locos and they were offered for sale in the early 80's from the sole distributor of Märklin in Sydney. the guy send me numbers but I had at that time very little understanding what the numbers meant and unfortunately I've missed out on a 3915 which was the Swiss crocodile. I also bought 2 BR 44's, 2 SBB Re 4/4/I, 1 BR E 44, 2 BR 01, 2 BR E 1835's.

John
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Offline river6109  
#22 Posted : 09 December 2019 14:41:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto Go to Quoted Post
Hi Joël,

Thanks for the video and for your post. I see that your 3024 wobbles a bit more indeed.
Your pair of locos 3023 and 3024 running together looks great.
During the week I will also do a short video and show you my 3023 and also a 3022 from 1964 (the year I was born), although the 3022 has a much smoother ride IMHO.

Out of this topic, but as I don't have a video of the 3023 yet, I post here an unedited video I recorded with the phone and posted in youtube. It is a BR23 and a BR103 39150. I made it just for show the 2 locomotives to a friend that couldn't come here to see them , so I didn't care with edition. It was done with phone in one hand and the MS2 in the other (not os easy to control everything at the same time). These 2 have a smooth ride :-)



Best regards,
Miguel

You're taking a risk for not having a stopper at the end of the track, one false move and your loco is history.

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Offline mbarreto  
#23 Posted : 09 December 2019 14:51:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post

You're taking a risk for not having a stopper at the end of the track, one false move and your loco is history.



Hi,
Yes you are right. Thanks for your suggestion.
I skipped them as it was for a very short time, but I will add bumpers next time I do a short test or video like that.

Regards,
Miguel



Mostly Märklin H0.


Offline mbarreto  
#24 Posted : 01 May 2020 21:47:38(UTC)
mbarreto

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Hello,

I am still to post a video of this locomotive, but I have news about it.
Sometime ago I read a thread where a member of this forum wrote that after changed the tires of a locomotive, the woobling disapeared, so I replaced the tires of my 3923 with 7153 ones. The result was superb: the woobling is now very reduced, and I think it is only due to the design of the locomotive itself.
Now I am satisfied with this locomotive.

I had a similar problem with a 3111 and also replaced the tires. The result was also very good!

Regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


Online PJMärklin  
#25 Posted : 02 May 2020 05:54:54(UTC)
PJMärklin

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Originally Posted by: mbarreto Go to Quoted Post
Hello,

I am still to post a video of this locomotive, ...
Regards,
Miguel


Hello Miguel,

Through your recent post I chanced upon your original 2019 post in this thread which I did not recollect seeing.

In regard to your posts last December, you may also perhaps find this of interest :

https://www.marklin-user...explain-to-me#post481456

Glad you improved the 3023 wobbles!

Regards,

PJ
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#26 Posted : 02 May 2020 15:08:54(UTC)
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Hi
For the fun I attach pictures of my 3024 (green) which I suspect is from 1959 but has been digitalized
Note the brush holder is still in cast metal/insulation plate.
Outside
3024-.jpg

Inside
3024-IMG_1040.JPG
I confirm the loco's riding is not very stable with a very high center of gravity
Cheers
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