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Offline Thewolf  
#1 Posted : 14 June 2019 17:57:39(UTC)
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Hi guys Cool

To reinforce my idea about the TJD 24624, as everyone knows, the 24624s are very sensitive items in terms of their operation, especially when they are motorized for use.

I have some minor operating problems with TJDs.

When I configure the TJD decoder and perform the test, everything works. That is correct. The wires of the lantern are on the outside.

The TJD is incorporated in its place in the layout.

It works...but after 5-6 track changes, the rail sections of the TJD do not take the requested positions.

This can be a disaster, especially in the case of automatic train driving controlled by software such as Itrain.

I know that the slightest inaccurate detail can prevent a TJD from working properly.

So I wonder if placing the wiring of the lantern under the TJD, under the decoder and the motor could lead to a malfunction.

In short, it would be advisable to place these yellow and brown wires towards the outside of the TJD... or to remove the lantern altogether.

I think that digital is so capricious that sometimes I regret my good old analog layout that I had when I was in Belgium.

What do you think of my conclusion on the wires of the lantern?

Thewolf



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#2 Posted : 15 June 2019 04:28:59(UTC)
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Offline Thewolf  
#3 Posted : 15 June 2019 04:45:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
What is TJD (24624)


Really ?? You don't know ?? A joke ??

This :

24624 TJD.PNG

TJD is the name used in CS2 tools for configuring the article

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#4 Posted : 15 June 2019 05:28:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
What is TJD (24624)


Really ?? You don't know ?? A joke ??

TJD is the name used in CS2 tools for configuring the article

Thewolf


To be fair to John, not everyone knows what a double-slip is called in the CS2. Calling it a 'double-slip' is the correct English term and is what everyone here would usually refer to it as.

Even I had to google it from your Facebook post although the number did at least hint that it was a track-piece.

From what I can tell, "TJD" seems to be a French abbreviation because all the initial hits that I got are in French. ?

In Deutsche, it's DKW - doppelkreuzungsweiche - so why start using French when 'most' of us would not have a clue? - this is an English-speaking forum after all BigGrin

I'm curious, if you change the language of your CS2 to English, what is the abbreviation?

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Offline Thewolf  
#5 Posted : 15 June 2019 05:59:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
What is TJD (24624)


Really ?? You don't know ?? A joke ??

TJD is the name used in CS2 tools for configuring the article

Thewolf


To be fair to John, not everyone knows what a double-slip is called in the CS2. Calling it a 'double-slip' is the correct English term and is what everyone here would usually refer to it as.

Even I had to google it from your Facebook post although the number did at least hint that it was a track-piece.

From what I can tell, "TJD" seems to be a French abbreviation because all the initial hits that I got are in French. ?

In Deutsche, it's DKW - doppelkreuzungsweiche - so why start using French when 'most' of us would not have a clue? - this is an English-speaking forum after all BigGrin

I'm curious, if you change the language of your CS2 to English, what is the abbreviation?

Cheers


Stephen, this is my fault.Crying

Unfortunately, I had the reflex to use the abbreviation of my native language. I'm sorry about that. I should have written Double Slip Switch.

Sorry

Cheers





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Online PeFu  
#6 Posted : 15 June 2019 06:31:39(UTC)
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I had similar problems with the 24624, that were solved:

https://www.marklin-user...blem---Solved#post540799

The decoder I use accepts specific wiring for the purpose:

http://www.ldt-infocente...sbeispiele/page_1454.pdf

Cool

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Offline Thewolf  
#7 Posted : 15 June 2019 07:18:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeFu Go to Quoted Post
I had similar problems with the 24624, that were solved:

https://www.marklin-user...blem---Solved#post540799

The decoder I use accepts specific wiring for the purpose:

http://www.ldt-infocente...sbeispiele/page_1454.pdf

Cool




Hi Peter Cool

Thank you.

I read....and you are my savior BigGrin

I think I'm going to have some questions to ask you. I'll send you an MP later.

Have a nice day

Serge



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Offline David Dewar  
#8 Posted : 15 June 2019 12:37:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
What is TJD (24624)


Glad you asked that I did not know either but did not like to ask lol.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline Thewolf  
#9 Posted : 15 June 2019 12:44:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
What is TJD (24624)


Glad you asked that I did not know either but did not like to ask lol.


Who is lol ?Cool
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Offline Thewolf  
#10 Posted : 15 June 2019 15:14:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeFu Go to Quoted Post
I had similar problems with the 24624, that were solved:

https://www.marklin-user...blem---Solved#post540799

The decoder I use accepts specific wiring for the purpose:

http://www.ldt-infocente...sbeispiele/page_1454.pdf

Cool



Peter,

As you can imagine, I've been working on this Double Slip Switch 24624 problems since yesterday afternoon.

Anyway, I spent an all-nighter.

Here's what I've been thinking about and I'm talking to all the interested guys, especially Ray, which also has, I believe, identical problems with its double switches

The LDT S-DEC-4-MM appears to be the equivalent of the m83 60832 marklin.

The S-DEC-4-MM manages to make the movement of the double switch 100% functional, because it is independent of the energy of the cs2 by its external supply.

Marklin has the same components: the decoder m83 (60832), the k83/m83/m84 Universal Power Supply Unit (60822) and the 30 VA Switched Mode Power Pack, 120 Volts (66367).

It is enough to remove the internal decoder 74461 from the 24624, to connect the 24624 up to 4 to the 60832, to connect the 60822 to the said decoder with the 66367.

Each motor of each double switch will have its power increased, since they will all be connected to an independent and more powerful power source.

I don't know if I'm in the right one, but that's what I think I'm going to do. I'm waiting for your opinions and of course... Mike's.

I sent him my suggestion

Now I'm going to change my mind: I'm going to lunch

Thewolf
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Online PeFu  
#11 Posted : 15 June 2019 16:55:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: PeFu Go to Quoted Post
I had similar problems with the 24624, that were solved:

https://www.marklin-user...blem---Solved#post540799

The decoder I use accepts specific wiring for the purpose:

http://www.ldt-infocente...sbeispiele/page_1454.pdf

Cool



Peter,

As you can imagine, I've been working on this Double Slip Switch 24624 problems since yesterday afternoon.

Anyway, I spent an all-nighter.

Here's what I've been thinking about and I'm talking to all the interested guys, especially Ray, which also has, I believe, identical problems with its double switches

The LDT S-DEC-4-MM appears to be the equivalent of the m83 60832 marklin.

The S-DEC-4-MM manages to make the movement of the double switch 100% functional, because it is independent of the energy of the cs2 by its external supply.

Marklin has the same components: the decoder m83 (60832), the k83/m83/m84 Universal Power Supply Unit (60822) and the 30 VA Switched Mode Power Pack, 120 Volts (66367).

It is enough to remove the internal decoder 74461 from the 24624, to connect the 24624 up to 4 to the 60832, to connect the 60822 to the said decoder with the 66367.

Each motor of each double switch will have its power increased, since they will all be connected to an independent and more powerful power source.

I don't know if I'm in the right one, but that's what I think I'm going to do. I'm waiting for your opinions and of course... Mike's.

I sent him my suggestion

Now I'm going to change my mind: I'm going to lunch

Thewolf


Well, output of the 66367 is 18 volt DC, maybe it’s enough. I tested with 20 volt DC only. Also, will you need one 66367 per decoder?
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Offline Thewolf  
#12 Posted : 15 June 2019 17:31:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeFu Go to Quoted Post


Well, output of the 66367 is 18 volt DC, maybe it’s enough. I tested with 20 volt DC only. Also, will you need one 66367 per decoder?


That's the question.

I know that a few M83s can be placed next to a 60822 and a single 66367. A 66367 per M83 would ensure that each engine has the power it needs.

I know that a few M83s can be placed next to a 60822 and a single 66367. A 66367 per M83 would provide each engine with more than enough power. 4 x 63367 + 4 x 60822 is too expensive.

I wonder if I could not combine this: 2 x 60832 + 1 x 60822 + 1 x 63367 and 2 x 60832 + 1 x 60822 + 1 x 63367 .

Do you think so? Me, I would be for

Serge
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Offline TEEWolf  
#13 Posted : 15 June 2019 17:41:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
What is TJD (24624)


Laugh I asked myself the same question. Actually it is a DSS Laugh (= double slip switch). Friend Serge wants to change this English community into a French one, I guess.BigGrin

MARKLIN - 24624 TJD = Traversée Jonction Double.188,3 mm / 24,3° (DSS)
Fournie avec un moteur électromagnétique encastré et une lanterne éclairée.
(= Equipped with a built-in electromagnetic motor and an illuminated lantern.)

Serge makes our life not easier.Crying
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Offline TEEWolf  
#14 Posted : 15 June 2019 17:49:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: David Dewar Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
What is TJD (24624)


Glad you asked that I did not know either but did not like to ask lol.


Who is lol ?Cool


Me, when I read your TJD.Laugh
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#15 Posted : 15 June 2019 17:52:07(UTC)
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Peter

I will start with 2 x 63367 and I will order 2 more 63367 + 2 x 60822 if it doesn't work properly

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Offline Thewolf  
#16 Posted : 15 June 2019 17:56:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
What is TJD (24624)


Laugh I asked myself the same question. Actually it is a DSS Laugh (= double slip switch). Friend Serge wants to change this English community into a French one, I guess.BigGrin

MARKLIN - 24624 TJD = Traversée Jonction Double.188,3 mm / 24,3° (DSS)
Fournie avec un moteur électromagnétique encastré et une lanterne éclairée.
(= Equipped with a built-in electromagnetic motor and an illuminated lantern.)

Serge makes our life not easier.Crying


Wolfgang Cool

Make your life not easier ? Mais non mais non ...yesss of course Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh

In truth, I explained that it was an involuntary reflex on my part when I used the abbreviation in my native language.

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Offline Thewolf  
#17 Posted : 15 June 2019 18:07:58(UTC)
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Mike suggested this to me:

'' Hi Serge,

I would try 2 x 60832 + 1 x 60822 + 1 x 66367. If this proves in your test that this is a good solution for you then order more.

Mike Sorge
Westend Trains Inc. www.westendtrains.com
17 Arnold St.
Etobicoke, ON M8Z 5A5
Canada
T: 416.251.6124
F: 416.251.1637''

I followed him.
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Offline TEEWolf  
#18 Posted : 15 June 2019 18:09:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post

I wonder if I could not combine this: 2 x 60832 + 1 x 60822 + 1 x 63367 and 2 x 60832 + 1 x 60822 + 1 x 63367 .

Do you think so? Me, I would be for

Serge


Yes you can - RTFM - if you do not take article #63367 (BTW this article is at Maerklin not existing), but take #66367.

https://static.maerklin....26ebe6266d1487855273.pdf
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#19 Posted : 15 June 2019 18:16:34(UTC)
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Yes you can - RTFM - if you do not take article #63367 (BTW this article is at Maerklin not existing), but take #66367.

https://static.maerklin....26ebe6266d1487855273.pdf


Yesss you are right ...o large sachem from the eastern woodlands



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Offline TEEWolf  
#20 Posted : 15 June 2019 18:48:57(UTC)
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Hello Serge,

I do have similar problems. But with the motor (74490/74491) in curved turnouts (24671/24672) with the digital mounting decoder (74460) (I call it “mounted turnout package” or MTP). And the joke is, that this MTP is fully functioning using my MS 2 and the track box. Using this MTP with my CS 3+, than I got the same experiences as you do. The motor is functioning 5, 6 times and then it stops, the other one is not functioning at all.

Then I tried to switch the MTP with a MS 2 attached to a CS 3+. It achieves a better function than by the touch screen of a CS 3+, but sometimes it has also male functions.

The real surprise is, switching with the same MS 2 back to the track box, no male function arises. Meanwhile I sent an e-mail to Märklin about this strange behaviour. I cannot believe the track box provides a better digital current supply to the layout than the CS 3+.

BTW, I built extra a small test layout of about 110 cm x 95 cm. I think, it is the same problem @PeFu referred by his post #6 in this thread to another MUN thread.

https://www.marklin-user...blem---Solved#post540799

Looking forward to Maerklin's answer.

ciao

Wolfgang
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Offline Thewolf  
#21 Posted : 15 June 2019 20:31:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Hello Serge,

I think, it is the same problem @PeFu referred by his post #6 in this thread to another MUN thread.

https://www.marklin-user...blem---Solved#post540799
ciao

Wolfgang


Wolfgang,

I read this thread from Peter and this morning Peter and I talked.

I drew on his experience with the LDT S-DEC-4-MM to establish my suggestion, which is repeated in comments 10 and 12 above.

I talked to Mike about it too and he agrees with me.

The fact that the 74491 motors of the 24669 are powered by an independent source and 18 V would increase the power of the energy flow that these motors would have to do their job properly, i.e. send the portions of the 24624 removable ones to their right place.

There's no reason why it should work for Peter with LDT and not for me with Marklin: the design of the system is the same

Good evening

Serge
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#22 Posted : 16 June 2019 09:00:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post

There's no reason why it should work for Peter with LDT and not for me with Marklin: the design of the system is the same

Yes there is: Your m83 will be connected to the 66367 only, providing 18 volt DC. The LDT decoder is more flexible when it comes to power supply, as it allows upto 24 volt DC. I supply 20 volt DC and I can’t say that the 2 volts makes the difference. But if your setup doesn’t work, maybe they do...

Blushing
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#23 Posted : 16 June 2019 13:14:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeFu Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post

There's no reason why it should work for Peter with LDT and not for me with Marklin: the design of the system is the same

Yes there is: Your m83 will be connected to the 66367 only, providing 18 volt DC. The LDT decoder is more flexible when it comes to power supply, as it allows upto 24 volt DC. I supply 20 volt DC and I can’t say that the 2 volts makes the difference. But if your setup doesn’t work, maybe they do...

Blushing


Hi Peter Cool

You're right about the maybe... that's why I start with the 2 x 60832 + 1 x 60822 + 1 x 60822 + 1 x 66367 configuration together with Mike and I have in my head to make the comparison of working for the 24624 balance with LDT.

If Marklin doesn't work well, I'll switch to LDT and resell Marklin Cool

But as far as the possible sale of these accessories is concerned, given the misadventure of the Roco passenger cars, where I was called rude by a sad character, this is not the place where I will put the ad.

Good sunday

Serge

Anyway, I have to review the whole keyboard of my cs2 and Itrain. Remove the switches to change the codes of the internal decoders. pfffffft!!!!!

I'm not going fishing today.
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