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Offline rhfil  
#1 Posted : 04 May 2019 16:33:53(UTC)
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I am planning on keeping my layout to era II at the latest and wonder what signals are available for that period. Were electrified signals in use that early?
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Offline michelvr  
#2 Posted : 04 May 2019 16:43:57(UTC)
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I am planning on keeping my layout to era II at the latest and wonder what signals are available for that period. Were electrified signals in use that early?


Hello rhfil,

Era 2: Time Period Approx. 1920-1945 the period after the formation of large state railways in Europe. Yes, electrified signals were in use.

What country are you modelling?

Remember most countries had their own type of signals so it's important to know which country you are modelling.
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#3 Posted : 04 May 2019 21:43:38(UTC)
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Germany and as early as possible. Preferable era I but with early era II.
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Offline applor  
#4 Posted : 07 May 2019 03:24:43(UTC)
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Semaphore signals, mechanically driven.
modelling era IIIa (1951-1955) Germany
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Offline rhfil  
#5 Posted : 07 May 2019 16:00:13(UTC)
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That is what I thought. Where can I get an HO scale version of them? Are the Viessmann Bavarian signals the closest I can use?
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Offline TEEWolf  
#6 Posted : 07 May 2019 17:29:40(UTC)
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That is what I thought. Where can I get an HO scale version of them? Are the Viessmann Bavarian signals the closest I can use?


These are the eras you talking about.

https://www.themt.de/mr-0115-49.html

https://www.maerklin.de/...formation/eras-overview/

http://web.hs-merseburg.de/~nosske/EpocheII/

http://web.hs-merseburg....pocheII/ds/e2d_9600.html

http://web.hs-merseburg....I/ds/e2d_0601.html#sig13

https://www.themt.de/org-0500-49.html

The Bavarian Länderbahn hd slighly different signals, as you an see. But I myself have never seen them.

As you see the semaphore signals have not changed since this era II. And honestly, still today the DB AG is using the signal technique mostly, which is about 80 to 100 years old. Only slowly and partially they have changed to a elctric new system for signals. Even the high speed lines are only 2 equiped with the newest signal technique ETCS (European Train Control System)

https://en.wikipedia.org...ean_Train_Control_System

The biggest change was form the semaphore ones to the light signals. So actually using the Märklin semaphore signals for your purposes will be fine.

Perhaps you find somewhere a specialist for this era II offering very special ones. I do noz know anybody.

Here are the Märklin signals:

https://www.maerklin.de/de/lp/2017/signale/

https://www.maerklin.de/...x210_8seitig_1222_DE.pdf

Even most of the text is in German, nevertheless you can see all kind of signals by pictures.
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#7 Posted : 08 May 2019 05:18:55(UTC)
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That is what I thought. Where can I get an HO scale version of them? Are the Viessmann Bavarian signals the closest I can use?


In my modelling I revert to the thought that 99.99% of people who might look at my layout will never know what is correct.

Maerklin sepmaphore signals will look attractive and purposeful on any layout from era I to VI.
Searchlight signals (the so called light signals) were in use from the early 1930s.
Maerklin makes them too.

Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
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Offline applor  
#8 Posted : 08 May 2019 06:53:39(UTC)
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If your layout is set in Bavaria then I would use the Viessmann Bavarian style signals. Anywhere else use the standard Viessmann semaphore signals (or equivalent).

Depending on your layout control, a lot of signals now come with built in digital decoders, or you can still buy the standard version (and connect those to a digital decoder if you want).

I use the Viessmann semaphore signals and like them. They have slow arm movement which looks good, though they are noisy on activation (they make a loud thunk noise) is the only detractor.
modelling era IIIa (1951-1955) Germany
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