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Purellum		#51 Posted : 21 April 2019 14:21:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,500 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan All the reverse loop auto-switches I am aware of work on the basis of detecting a short and can be used on digital or DC systems. Havinga DCC or mfx protocol has nothing to do with how the switch works. I tried to tell Goofy the same thing; but trust me on this: If there was ever made a reverse loop module that's difficult to get working and only accepts DCC, Goofy will be the guy to find it, and will continuously insist on using just that module, blaming everybody else for his problems. Per.
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Goofy		#52 Posted : 21 April 2019 16:43:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: MaerklinLife Originally Posted by: Goofy Automatic loopback is reverse loop. There is reverse loop digital decoder but support and allows only DCC protocol. I don´t think it accept mfx protocol. What a load of rubbish. An automatic reverse module does not care at all about the protocol at used. It only cares about either a short circuit detection or (as is the case of the Trix reverse module) feedback detection from the internal sensor. It will work with what ever digital system you throw at it. Märklin and competitors has not verified by use mfx protocol in the reverse loop with the two rail system. Just DCC...
		H0 DCC = Digital Command Control


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Goofy		#53 Posted : 21 April 2019 16:50:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: Goofy I show here a pdf file from Zimo. Read it! The Roco BR 85 do have mfx protocol and have 26 functions! www.zimo.at/web2010/docu...450P22%20SW%202.0_EN.pdf It is interesting looking through that document. On the first page it shows three revisions in 2018, the first release being almost exactly a year ago. They have obviously mapped out various plans for upgrades to features as well, although the details aren't filled in for many of them. It seems they have only released these decoders to market with version 2 software release. When Zimo presented a new MS decoder they did verified you can use mfx protocol and Rocos latest new BR 85 do have new MS sound decoder while old Roco BR 85 do have MX decoder instead and doesn´t support mfx protocol. I agree it might seems strange in the Zimos pdf file, but it shows the Rocos latest model and i suppose it´s correct with the 26 functions? Even Roco present two rail locomotives do have mfx protocol too, since it show same MS sound decoder made of Zimo.
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Purellum		#54 Posted : 21 April 2019 18:28:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,500 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy Märklin and competitors has not verified by use mfx protocol in the reverse loop with the two rail system. Just DCC... It looks like I have to ask again: Please tell us which reverse loop module you are talking about that can only do DCC? MFX is working perfect with all relay controlled reverse loop modules I know. Per.
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MaerklinLife		#55 Posted : 21 April 2019 19:20:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/02/2016(UTC) Posts: 490		Originally Posted by: Goofy Märklin and competitors has not verified by use mfx protocol in the reverse loop with the two rail system. Just DCC... What part of "It does not matter which protocol you use" do you not understand? Nobody needs to verify anything, since it is completely independent of the digital system. And to cut it out for you: At the end of the day the digital signal, being mfx or DCC, consists of 0's and 1's. Basically same shit, different name. It works the same with regards to the reverse loop module.


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kiwiAlan		#56 Posted : 21 April 2019 20:30:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,101 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy Märklin and competitors has not verified by use mfx protocol in the reverse loop with the two rail system. Just DCC... It looks like I have to ask again: Please tell us which reverse loop module you are talking about that can only do DCC? MFX is working perfect with all relay controlled reverse loop modules I know. Per. I think he should just use the Trix 66846 module and be done with it. If he has any problems he could get one of the Trix Reverse Loop Modules to try it out.


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Goofy		#57 Posted : 22 April 2019 10:11:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy Märklin and competitors has not verified by use mfx protocol in the reverse loop with the two rail system. Just DCC... It looks like I have to ask again: Please tell us which reverse loop module you are talking about that can only do DCC? MFX is working perfect with all relay controlled reverse loop modules I know. Per. I think he should just use the Trix 66846 module and be done with it. "This is for easy switching of reverse loops in the DCC and Selectrix systems." You did verified without mfx protocol. Do you have any prof that it shows two rail locomotive with the mfx protocol driving in the reverse loop back to the same turnout by pass over the gear as well?
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Goofy		#58 Posted : 22 April 2019 10:23:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Marklin supply mfx decoders in Trix and LGB locos, so yes, it works for 2-rail as well. Yes it works for two rail, but it doesn´t verified to use reverse loop modul when it present DCC protocol in the manual or homepage like Trix.
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Purellum		#59 Posted : 22 April 2019 10:28:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,500 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy "This is for easy switching of reverse loops in the DCC and Selectrix systems." And if you read the manual, it's also for analog operation, which means it switches with relays and thus will work with MM and MFX too. There is nothing DCC, Selectrix or any other digital protocol related inside that box. Per.
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Goofy		#60 Posted : 22 April 2019 11:27:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy "This is for easy switching of reverse loops in the DCC and Selectrix systems." And if you read the manual, it's also for analog operation, which means it switches with relays and thus will work with MM and MFX too. There is nothing DCC, Selectrix or any other digital protocol related inside that box. Per. It stand: The reverse loop in analog operation can only be operated analog with sensor track. Read also different between page.35 (digital) and page.36 (analog). The digital operation does not verified with the mfx protocol. If you use Lenz reverse loop modul it cannot be use with the analog operation...just only DCC accept. It´s very strange how it appears when a company like Märklin did not verified by use mfx protocol in the reverse loop, when mfx has been for years and still no information standing somewhere in the massmedia or manual of the reverse loop modul. Before i use mfx protocol for the two rail with reverse loop back to the gear as well i must be sure it works before use Märklin CS3. I also see forward to use competitiors mfx locomotive for the two rail system.
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Purellum		#61 Posted : 22 April 2019 11:41:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,500 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy The reverse loop in analog operation can only be operated analog with sensor track. Read also different between page.35 (digital) and page.36 (analog). The digital operation does not verified with the mfx protocol. If you use Lenz reverse loop modul it cannot be use with the analog operation...just only DCC accept. I'm amazed how ignorant you can continue to be, as far as I remember you once claimed to be electrician. The reason why you use sensor tracks for analog is because of the voltage when driving slow, if you always drive full speed in analog, you don't have to use sensor track. Originally Posted by: Goofy It´s very strange how it appears when a company like Märklin did not verified by use mfx protocol in the reverse loop, when mfx has been for years and still no information standing somewhere in the massmedia or manual of the reverse loop modul. Before i use mfx protocol for the two rail with reverse loop back to the gear as well i must be sure it works before use Märklin CS3. I also see forward to use competitiors mfx locomotive for the two rail system. I find it even more strange that you don't understand neither how a relay or a digital system works. Per.
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Bigdaddynz		#62 Posted : 22 April 2019 12:30:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Goofy By the way...i did ordered a new CS3. Let me know when you want to sell it.....
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Purellum		#63 Posted : 22 April 2019 12:59:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,500 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: Goofy By the way...i did ordered a new CS3. Let me know when you want to sell it..... Good plan It's not often you can find a used CS3 still having 20 months full manufacturers warranty Per
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David Dewar		#64 Posted : 22 April 2019 13:21:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,340 Location: Scotland		Looking at the site these days it appears that controllers are more important than locos etc. I guess the computer age has now taken over model rail and Goofy must have owned most of them. However on a positive note at least he is also buying Marklin along with others. I would like to hear about the Viessmann Commander which I don't think has been mentioned as better than Marklin. Despite enjoying the recent control system I think at times the old 6021 with its addons were better fun. I await with interest the report from Goofy on his latest venture and to be fair to our man he does take our comments well and sticks by his opinions. Meanwhile I am prepared to act as an agent for the sale of the CS3 in due course.
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kiwiAlan		#65 Posted : 22 April 2019 13:57:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,101 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: Goofy By the way...i did ordered a new CS3. Let me know when you want to sell it..... Join the long line ... Edited by moderator 22 April 2019 22:05:10(UTC) \| Reason: Fixed quote tags

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Purellum		#66 Posted : 22 April 2019 15:03:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,500 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy By the way...i did ordered a new CS3. How much is shipping to Denmark ??? Per.
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