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Offline Ranjit  
#1 Posted : 30 March 2019 06:39:35(UTC)
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Hi All...

I have been watching a number of videos on how to apply grass to a layout, and I am quite interested in getting hold of a static grass applicator. Are there any good recommendations?

Cheers,
Ranjit
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2 Posted : 30 March 2019 08:14:12(UTC)
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This has been talked about on the forum before - the Noch one is apparently very good. Make sure you get the v2.0 model - this has a higher working voltage (20,000v) compared to the earlier version (15,000v) so works much better.

https://www.noch.com/en/...r-grass-applicators.html
Offline Ranjit  
#3 Posted : 30 March 2019 08:28:52(UTC)
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Thank you, David, for your recommendation! Yes, the Noch Grasmaster has had some very good reviews.

There is this other one called 'Langmesser 'Profi-Flock'. What is it with this one? Why is it soooo expensive?

Cheers,
Ranjit
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Offline David Dewar  
#4 Posted : 30 March 2019 11:42:38(UTC)
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Hi Ranjit. I have the Noch one but to be honest it find that it is not great. There are times it works quite well but I doubt it is worth the money they want for it.

Unless you are doing a lot of grass in an important area of your layout just using ordinary scatter material is probably just as good and is very much cheaper.
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Offline applor  
#5 Posted : 30 March 2019 12:18:49(UTC)
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I have the Noch Grasmaster 2.0 which I found to be well priced, though I am yet to use it.

The next step up is probably the RTS Greenkeeper 35kv but for me it would work out to be far more expensive and most reports I've read is that the Grasmaster can do the job fine.

RTS also do a 50kv model, obviously even more expensive again.
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Offline Ranjit  
#6 Posted : 30 March 2019 15:18:30(UTC)
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Hi David and Eric...

Thank you for your inputs.

Many users of the Noch Grasmaster say that the nozzle attachment is a useful gadget.

Who makes this RTS Greenkeeper?

Cheers,
Ranjit
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Offline Ranjit  
#7 Posted : 30 March 2019 15:26:41(UTC)
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I found it!

The website for the RTS Greenkeeper is: https://www.rts-greenkeeper.de. They have a "junior" version that operates at 20KV which is the same as the Noch Grasmaster. It is cheaper as well!

Cheers,
Ranjit
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Offline David Dewar  
#8 Posted : 30 March 2019 16:39:37(UTC)
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Ranjit. I have the nozzle attachment as well but only used it once. Noch at one time had a bottle costing next to nothing which you can fill and give it a shake with their grass and it also works reasonably well. Don't know is still available.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#9 Posted : 30 March 2019 18:58:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: David Dewar Go to Quoted Post
Ranjit. I have the nozzle attachment as well but only used it once. Noch at one time had a bottle costing next to nothing which you can fill and give it a shake with their grass and it also works reasonably well. Don't know is still available.


That could be the bottle they supplied with the Advent calendar that had the Christmas Market models in it. Application use there was to spread snow ...

Offline Carim  
#10 Posted : 30 March 2019 19:08:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: David Dewar Go to Quoted Post
Noch at one time had a bottle costing next to nothing which you can fill and give it a shake with their grass and it also works reasonably well. Don't know is still available.


According to the Gaugemaster website, you can still order it and they also have a generic version available.

Carim
Offline Danlake  
#11 Posted : 30 March 2019 19:26:37(UTC)
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Hi Ranjit,

If you have a large area to work on the Noch grassmaster is great. The narrow funnel attachment is handy if you want to spot “paint” different hues of grass on top of the first layer.

But for smaller area (or layout) any home made or cheaper version will do.

I still use this one on my layout with no issues:

https://www.micromark.co...icator-by-Grass-Tech-USA

Woodland scenic also recently came out with a 80$ applicator?

To be honest: you will get better result buying a cheaper one than the Noch and use the saved money to buy quality grass fibres in various lengths, like Silflor:

http://www.sceneryexpres...-Material/products/1230/

Have fun!

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Offline Ranjit  
#12 Posted : 31 March 2019 10:35:06(UTC)
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Well, well, well..

We have the following Static Grass Applicators:

1. Heki Flockstar - Artikel Nummer 9500 - 14 KV (max.) - Euro 150.00
2. Heki Flockstar XL - Artikel Nummer 9510 - Euro 210.00
2. RTS Greenkeeper Junior - Artikel Nummer 0214 - Euro 89.95
3. RTS Greenkeeper 25 KV - Artikel Nummer 5214 - Euro 119.95
4. RTS Greenkeeper 35 KV - Artikel Nummer 5314 - Euro 149.95
5. RTS Greenkeeper 55 KV - Artikel Nummer 5514 - Euro 239.95
6. Woodland Scenics "Static King" - SKU FS639 - USD 99.99 (~Euro 89.00)
7. Faller "Gras-Fix" - Artikel Nummer 180691 - Euro 197.00
8. Noch "Gras Master 2.0" - Artikel Nummer 60135 - 20 KV - Euro 149.99
9. GJ05 Mini Flocking Static Grass Applicator - USD 39.99 (~Euro 35.00)
10. Langmesser "Profi-Flock" - Can't find any information!
11. Grass Tech I - "The Mini Flocker" - USD 39.95 (~Euro 35.00)
12. Grass Tech II - "The Flock-It Rocket" - USD 149.95 (~Euro 133.00)

Now, which one?

Cheers,
Ranjit
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#13 Posted : 31 March 2019 10:42:18(UTC)
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Offline mvd71  
#14 Posted : 31 March 2019 11:22:39(UTC)
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Hi,

I've used the Noch grassmaster a fair bit, and it works well if you follow the instructions and make sure it is well earthed through the layout. I can recommend it as good value.

I think the key to making the static grass look really good is to play around with blends of the grass material to achieve to look you want.

Cheers....

Mike

Offline kiwiAlan  
#15 Posted : 31 March 2019 15:19:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ranjit Go to Quoted Post
Well, well, well..

We have the following Static Grass Applicators:

1. Heki Flockstar - Artikel Nummer 9500 - 14 KV (max.) - Euro 150.00
2. Heki Flockstar XL - Artikel Nummer 9510 - Euro 210.00
2. RTS Greenkeeper Junior - Artikel Nummer 0214 - Euro 89.95
3. RTS Greenkeeper 25 KV - Artikel Nummer 5214 - Euro 119.95
4. RTS Greenkeeper 35 KV - Artikel Nummer 5314 - Euro 149.95
5. RTS Greenkeeper 55 KV - Artikel Nummer 5514 - Euro 239.95
6. Woodland Scenics "Static King" - SKU FS639 - USD 99.99 (~Euro 89.00)
7. Faller "Gras-Fix" - Artikel Nummer 180691 - Euro 197.00
8. Noch "Gras Master 2.0" - Artikel Nummer 60135 - 20 KV - Euro 149.99
9. GJ05 Mini Flocking Static Grass Applicator - USD 39.99 (~Euro 35.00)
10. Langmesser "Profi-Flock" - Can't find any information!
11. Grass Tech I - "The Mini Flocker" - USD 39.95 (~Euro 35.00)
12. Grass Tech II - "The Flock-It Rocket" - USD 149.95 (~Euro 133.00)

Now, which one?

Cheers,
Ranjit


And how many of those are made by one company for another company ...

I suspect that careful comparison will result in the selection being reduced by working out which ones fall into this category, and then selecting the lower priced ones.


Offline kiwiAlan  
#16 Posted : 31 March 2019 15:21:15(UTC)
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And at the bottom of this topic there are a couple of links to other pages on this forum, one of which is about making your own.

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Offline Minok  
#17 Posted : 01 April 2019 21:19:15(UTC)
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The performance of a static grass applicator is directly correlated to the voltage difference it generates; and the price of the unit is correlated to the voltage engine as well. The core electronic parts that produce that 15, 20, 25, 35, 55kv are the expensive parts.

SO you can use a static fly swatter and roll your own using a simple sieve, but the voltages of those are low and the results not that great unless your doing Z or N scale. For H0 you want at least something that makes 20kv... I think.

The RTS Greenkeepers let you get up to 55kv models, while the Noch Grassmaster 2.0 is 20kv I think. On the surface it seems it would be a no brainer to get the RTS as its going to get you much straighter grasses and allow you to embed them in the glue more solidly and work with the very long grasses if you need that.

BUT there are some usage characteristics I've seen in the RTS that one might consider. Like a car - its not all about straight line acceleration, you also need to handle well in the corners.

The higher tension of the RTS top end models also means the static stays on and you end up with grass more all over the device for cleanup; a bit more of a chore. RTS solved that a bit with their new glass inserts solution, where you put the grass in a jar that slides in, and you just slide out the jar and seal it, thus less grass on the device and changeover is easy solong as you have a jar for each type of static grass.

The other issue is ergonomics. The Grassmaster has the benefit of shape like a flashlight (torch for the Brit types) and you just turn it on and leave the button be - so using it over a period of time on a job is easier on the hand. The RTS has a button you have to keep pressed down (which is good because you don't have to worry about forgetting to turn it off, which can happen with the Noch design), but the soda-can shape and button location means the ergonomics of holding and using the RTS solutions for long periods of time may be uncomfortable.

So while I thought that getting the 55kv RTS was the easy solution before, now I'm wondering if the 20kv Grassmaster 2 is good enough on the power side of the house, with the ergonomic benefit of being a bit easier to hold/shake. Though that jar solution from RTS is very nice.

The only thing I'd feel pretty sure on is that for H0 get a 20kv or higher one.
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Offline Minok  
#18 Posted : 01 April 2019 21:21:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ranjit Go to Quoted Post
Well, well, well..

We have the following Static Grass Applicators:

1. Heki Flockstar - Artikel Nummer 9500 - 14 KV (max.) - Euro 150.00
2. Heki Flockstar XL - Artikel Nummer 9510 - Euro 210.00
2. RTS Greenkeeper Junior - Artikel Nummer 0214 - Euro 89.95
3. RTS Greenkeeper 25 KV - Artikel Nummer 5214 - Euro 119.95
4. RTS Greenkeeper 35 KV - Artikel Nummer 5314 - Euro 149.95
5. RTS Greenkeeper 55 KV - Artikel Nummer 5514 - Euro 239.95
6. Woodland Scenics "Static King" - SKU FS639 - USD 99.99 (~Euro 89.00)
7. Faller "Gras-Fix" - Artikel Nummer 180691 - Euro 197.00
8. Noch "Gras Master 2.0" - Artikel Nummer 60135 - 20 KV - Euro 149.99
9. GJ05 Mini Flocking Static Grass Applicator - USD 39.99 (~Euro 35.00)
10. Langmesser "Profi-Flock" - Can't find any information!
11. Grass Tech I - "The Mini Flocker" - USD 39.95 (~Euro 35.00)
12. Grass Tech II - "The Flock-It Rocket" - USD 149.95 (~Euro 133.00)


13. And there is the WWS applicator which comes in various kit forms as well ( € 93+).
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Offline cwp_marklin  
#19 Posted : 02 April 2019 16:50:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Ranjit Go to Quoted Post
Well, well, well..

We have the following Static Grass Applicators:

1. Heki Flockstar - Artikel Nummer 9500 - 14 KV (max.) - Euro 150.00
2. Heki Flockstar XL - Artikel Nummer 9510 - Euro 210.00
2. RTS Greenkeeper Junior - Artikel Nummer 0214 - Euro 89.95
3. RTS Greenkeeper 25 KV - Artikel Nummer 5214 - Euro 119.95
4. RTS Greenkeeper 35 KV - Artikel Nummer 5314 - Euro 149.95
5. RTS Greenkeeper 55 KV - Artikel Nummer 5514 - Euro 239.95
6. Woodland Scenics "Static King" - SKU FS639 - USD 99.99 (~Euro 89.00)
7. Faller "Gras-Fix" - Artikel Nummer 180691 - Euro 197.00
8. Noch "Gras Master 2.0" - Artikel Nummer 60135 - 20 KV - Euro 149.99
9. GJ05 Mini Flocking Static Grass Applicator - USD 39.99 (~Euro 35.00)
10. Langmesser "Profi-Flock" - Can't find any information!
11. Grass Tech I - "The Mini Flocker" - USD 39.95 (~Euro 35.00)
12. Grass Tech II - "The Flock-It Rocket" - USD 149.95 (~Euro 133.00)


13. And there is the WWS applicator which comes in various kit forms as well ( € 93+).


14. There’s also the Grassinator: https://www.us-zscale.com/ZTR-400
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