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Offline rbw993  
#1 Posted : 18 March 2019 14:49:53(UTC)
rbw993

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I have a Re 4/4 from Mega Startset 29859 made in 2003. I would like to upgrade to an ESU sound decoder but would like to preserve the light functions. F0 is for the 3 and 1 Swiss pattern, F1 is forward high beam and F2 is the rear high beam. Has anyone done a conversion for a lok form this time frame or know of a diagram including required resistors and/or diodes? I am okay at soldering but not so good at designing a circuit.

Thanks,
Roger
Offline mmervine  
#2 Posted : 18 March 2019 15:59:13(UTC)
mmervine

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Roger: I would suggest using a circuit board from Lussi:

http://luessi.ch/shop/ca...h=2&products_id=2354

r/mark
Märklin C-track, Marklin Digital & ECoS, multi-era French & Swiss
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Offline rbw993  
#3 Posted : 18 March 2019 17:13:18(UTC)
rbw993

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Thanks Mark, Any dealers in this country carry this? RJF?

Regards,
Roger
Offline mike c  
#4 Posted : 18 March 2019 17:17:41(UTC)
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I have the same lok.
If you are going to upgrade the lok, I would recommend that you update the LED panel to one of the newer versions that would give you more light options.
The newest ones (37347/37348/37349/etc) have bright white LEDs, long distance headlights as well as dual red lights.
This would give you the option of Swiss 3 x 1 white, 3 + 1 red, but you could also select just one or two red at the rear for pushing reversible consists.

The 37342/37356/26544 had OEM ESU decoders
Models since then have Maerklin's newest decoder or sound decoder.

Older models had catenary selection by switch. Newer ones have a selectable pin bridge on the circuit board.

I have not used any Luessi products, but have updated some of my models by swapping shells with newer models with sound/more features.
For example, my 37344 (11252 red) is now running with the chassis from a 37349 (11252 TEE). The lok still has the same mfx address but now has sounds and more LED options and can be used with my EWI NPZ push-pull consist

Regards

Mike C
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Offline mmervine  
#5 Posted : 18 March 2019 21:38:14(UTC)
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Roger-no, you need to order from him. His shipping is quite reasonable and he takes PayPal.
Märklin C-track, Marklin Digital & ECoS, multi-era French & Swiss
http://www.ete-ene.org/m...mervines-layout-gallery/
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Offline Bart  
#6 Posted : 19 March 2019 00:28:51(UTC)
Bart

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Originally Posted by: rbw993 Go to Quoted Post
I have a Re 4/4 from Mega Startset 29859 made in 2003. I would like to upgrade to an ESU sound decoder but would like to preserve the light functions. F0 is for the 3 and 1 Swiss pattern, F1 is forward high beam and F2 is the rear high beam. Has anyone done a conversion for a lok form this time frame or know of a diagram including required resistors and/or diodes? I am okay at soldering but not so good at designing a circuit.

Thanks,
Roger


AFAIK, 29859 has a 60902 decoder.
No need for resistors, diodes or circuit design, the resistors for the leds are included on the led boards, which you will retain.
You may just connect the F1 and F2 leads (presumably brown/red and brown/green) to the AUX 1 and AUX 2 outputs of the LokSound.

If you want to avoid buying a separate circuit board for the Swiss 3x white / 1x white light, make sure that you use a Loksound with an amplified AUX3 output (or the ESU 51968 21p adapter board with AUX3/4 amplifier). Why not use a Märklin mSD2/3 sound decoder, which come with amplified AUX3/4.
Using AUX1 and AUX2 for the high beam lights, connect both lower right-sided white headlights to AUX3, programmed to be both switched on by F0 independently of direction of travel.
In the ESU decoder manuals, there is a specific section explaining this Swiss 3x white / 1x white light wiring.

BTW, if you dive into ESU function mapping, you can subsequently program the AUX1 and AUX2 outputs to have the high beam lights switched on by a single F-key, rather than toggling the F1 and F2 keys whenever you change direction.

If you want bright white LEDs, long distance headlights as well as dual red lights, you have to follow Mike's suggestions and order 37347/37348/37349 replacement led boards (e.g. part# E198895), although wiring and voltage required are not obvious, and I haven't yet reverse engineered the wiring and voltage requirements between the 37348 main board and led boards, which are much more complicated than the older decoders/led circuit boards.
*Bart
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Offline dickinsonj  
#7 Posted : 19 March 2019 02:51:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mmervine Go to Quoted Post
Roger-no, you need to order from him. His shipping is quite reasonable and he takes PayPal.

I have also ordered things from him and the product quality is great, as well as the good service and reasonable shipping costs. ThumpUp
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
Offline Dave Banks  
#8 Posted : 19 March 2019 23:47:01(UTC)
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Hi Roger, I did this conversion many years ago. It may give you an idea on what you are up for if you choose not to use the Board from Luessi. But he does sell a quality product with plug & play ability.

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With Luessi Board:

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D.A.Banks
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Offline dickinsonj  
#9 Posted : 20 March 2019 01:24:28(UTC)
dickinsonj

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Originally Posted by: Dave Banks Go to Quoted Post
Hi Roger, I did this conversion many years ago. It may give you an idea on what you are up for if you choose not to use the Board from Luessi. But he does sell a quality product with plug & play ability.


Exactly ThumpUp

Luessi sells niche products that do exactly what you need at an affordable price, are easily installed as Märklin replacement parts and which are are actually available.

Who could complain about that? Cool
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
Offline rbw993  
#10 Posted : 20 March 2019 16:55:05(UTC)
rbw993

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Thank you all. I am sufficiently scared into doing it the easy way. To Luessi we go.

Roger
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Offline Dave Banks  
#11 Posted : 20 March 2019 21:15:28(UTC)
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Offline rbw993  
#12 Posted : 21 March 2019 15:48:58(UTC)
rbw993

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Ordered yesterday
Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#13 Posted : 21 March 2019 19:47:54(UTC)
5HorizonsRR

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While we are on the subject...

I have an AE 8/14 in delta trim I'd like to convert. In theory this means 2 magnets (or full motors), a decoder, and some complex wiring. Will the luessi board eliminate that wiring step as a plug and play solution?

To ask in another manner: I know it allows for plug-and-play decoder install- but does it still require rewiring to all the motors and lighting?

http://luessi.ch/shop/ca...h=2&products_id=2356


If fully-plug-and-play, I may give a few boards a shot for this and a few of my own RE 4/4II
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Offline rbw993  
#14 Posted : 21 March 2019 19:53:30(UTC)
rbw993

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I would assume that soldering is required but that the wires will be soldered to the same locations on this board as on the factory board. This then allows the decoder to be plugged in on the new board and no figuring out of connections is required.
Offline jvuye  
#15 Posted : 21 March 2019 20:38:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rbw993 Go to Quoted Post
Thank you all. I am sufficiently scared into doing it the easy way. To Luessi we go.

Roger


Smart idea.
Good stuff, and dependable even though not always light speed delivery.
Used these a lot.
Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
Offline river6109  
#16 Posted : 22 March 2019 07:35:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rbw993 Go to Quoted Post
I would assume that soldering is required but that the wires will be soldered to the same locations on this board as on the factory board. This then allows the decoder to be plugged in on the new board and no figuring out of connections is required.


Roger, before removing wires from the old board make sure you connect them again to the right soldering pad (lights) may be there is an instruction from the Luessi board where these goes and what colour.
How are you going to program the ESU decoder ?

John

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Offline rbw993  
#17 Posted : 22 March 2019 16:51:34(UTC)
rbw993

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John,
I am not doing the programming. I am buying the decoder from RJF Trains and Robert will program it.

Regards,
Roger

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Offline Dave Banks  
#18 Posted : 22 March 2019 21:05:30(UTC)
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Offline rbw993  
#19 Posted : 25 March 2019 16:09:53(UTC)
rbw993

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Thanks, They've been ordered.
Offline ocram63_uk  
#20 Posted : 25 March 2019 22:52:51(UTC)
ocram63_uk

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I did the same conversion using a Luessi PCB and a LokPilot 4 decoder. Everything has been really plug and play. I made the only mistake in soldering the cables on different soldering pads, easily fixed. Good conversion.
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