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Offline Philh58  
#1 Posted : 02 February 2019 01:09:45(UTC)
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Hello all,

Ive just purchased a Trix SBB Seetalbahn De6/6 item code 22536.
Plan is to convert to DCC and run using my lenz system.
It’s my first Trix model so I’m looking for advice as to what decoder I can use. I don’t have any vendor preferences and I’m not bothered about sound.

May thanks...
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Offline mbarreto  
#2 Posted : 02 February 2019 01:51:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Philh58 Go to Quoted Post
Hello all,

Ive just purchased a Trix SBB Seetalbahn De6/6 item code 22536.
Plan is to convert to DCC and run using my lenz system.
It’s my first Trix model so I’m looking for advice as to what decoder I can use. I don’t have any vendor preferences and I’m not bothered about sound.

May thanks...


If you can wait a bit, I would wait for an ESU LokPilot V5 multiprotocol (no sound), or an ESU LSM4v5 (sound).
If you don't want to wait you can go for any ESU v4 or Märklin Mxd/3.

Best regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


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Offline TEEWolf  
#3 Posted : 02 February 2019 03:05:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Philh58 Go to Quoted Post
Hello all,

Ive just purchased a Trix SBB Seetalbahn De6/6 item code 22536.
Plan is to convert to DCC and run using my lenz system.
It’s my first Trix model so I’m looking for advice as to what decoder I can use. I don’t have any vendor preferences and I’m not bothered about sound.

May thanks...


I am only using Märklin and not very familiar by Trix. But as far as I see, your loco has a Selectrix-Decoder 66837

https://www.trix.de/en/p...s/details/article/22536/

scroll down to features to see it.

Here you find the manual and more about this decoder

https://www.trix.de/en/p...s/details/article/66837/

and in its manual

https://static.maerklin....f2f10396021434535682.pdf


In the manual stands this decoder can be run under DCC too with a digital controller. You need a MS or a CS or a similar controller for running the loco under DCC. You have to add your loco manually to your controller under DCC (on a seperate programming track) and then it shall run.

A few more technical featuers about your loco (even it is unfortunately only in German)

http://www.mobadaten.inf...De_6/6_Elektrolokomotive

and decoder

http://www.mobadaten.inf...C3%BCr_NEM_Schnittstelle

Use the decoder which is already inside. A conversion to DCC is not necessary.
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Offline PeFu  
#4 Posted : 02 February 2019 07:52:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post

You need a MS or a CS or a similar controller for running the loco under DCC.

...or e.g. a Lenz system. Smile
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Offline xxup  
#5 Posted : 02 February 2019 08:25:11(UTC)
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If you are running DCC then use ESU to get the Railcom Plus support.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#6 Posted : 02 February 2019 15:00:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto Go to Quoted Post

If you can wait a bit, I would wait for an ESU LokPilot V5 multiprotocol (no sound),


ESU are not doing a Lokpilot in the V5 version. After all why would they need to?

They advantages of the v5 all improve the sound functions, but the motor drive functions of the V4 are already pretty magnificent.
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Offline mbarreto  
#7 Posted : 02 February 2019 18:26:12(UTC)
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ESU are not doing a Lokpilot in the V5 version. After all why would they need to?

They advantages of the v5 all improve the sound functions, but the motor drive functions of the V4 are already pretty magnificent.


Right, thanks for the correction. When I read the Loksound V5 information, somehow I got the idea they were also going to produce a LP V5. So instead of LPv5 it is LPv4 M4 or LPv4 M4 MKL.


Best regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


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Offline Philh58  
#8 Posted : 02 February 2019 19:01:17(UTC)
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Thanks all for your advice, much appreciated.
I’m a little confused by TEEWolf reply which indicates it’s all ready got a decoder. I’ll take body off and confirm
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#9 Posted : 02 February 2019 19:30:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post


ESU are not doing a Lokpilot in the V5 version. After all why would they need to?

They advantages of the v5 all improve the sound functions, but the motor drive functions of the V4 are already pretty magnificent.


Right, thanks for the correction. When I read the Loksound V5 information, somehow I got the idea they were also going to produce a LP V5. So instead of LPv5 it is LPv4 M4 or LPv4 M4 MKL.




Yes, I don't know what the difference with the MKL version is, except it is a bit cheaper, but it still seemed to have all the protocols still. I could understand it being cheaper if it had only MM and M4.
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Offline TEEWolf  
#10 Posted : 02 February 2019 20:54:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Philh58 Go to Quoted Post
Thanks all for your advice, much appreciated.
I’m a little confused by TEEWolf reply which indicates it’s all ready got a decoder. I’ll take body off and confirm


Yes this will be very helpfull. A lot of members throw you names of decoders around your ears. I do not think you really understand this all, what they are writing you about it. Wheras the TRIX website for your loco #22536

https://www.trix.de/en/p...s/details/article/22536/

says under section "Features"

"Small digital connection (Selectrix-Decoder 66835/66836)". What else as a decoder shall this be? Nobody here has written anything about this most important feature. But if this is a decoder why will you change it? Even if you do not know yet anything about the possibilities of such a decoder. This is shown in my other link

https://www.trix.de/en/p...s/details/article/668361

Both links offer manuals for further informations.BigGrin
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Offline mbarreto  
#11 Posted : 02 February 2019 21:19:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post


Yes, I don't know what the difference with the MKL version is, except it is a bit cheaper, but it still seemed to have all the protocols still. I could understand it being cheaper if it had only MM and M4.



The MKL is the one that have the AUX outputs (AUX3 and AUX4) with voltage and power levels above the TTL levels as specified by the NEM norms.
Märklin in some of their locomotives uses decoders that have these outputs (AUX3 and AUX4) with voltage and power levels that are the needed ones for activate TELEX couplers and smoke generators for example. The ESU decoders that are not MKL have AUX3 and AUX4 with TTL voltage levels, so they need a power stage in front to drive TELEX, etc.



Best regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


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Offline Crazy Harry  
#12 Posted : 03 February 2019 01:07:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
says under section "Features"

"Small digital connection (Selectrix-Decoder 66835/66836)".


It seems to me that it only has the connection for the decoder since under the digital features it says nothing. Therefore, a decoder is still required but 66835 and 66836 don't seem to exist anymore. Someone with more experience will have to suggest which decoder will work for you.

Harold.
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