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Offline poppa-7  
#1 Posted : 17 November 2018 04:26:00(UTC)
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Hi Members
I have a Marklin 3072 BR21 and a ESU 52610 decoder. The loco has a small flat face commutator and lights that are on their own twin wire circuits, is it possible to fit this decoder to the loco without changing the motor parts with a 60943 conversion kit? If so can any one provide me with a wiring diagram
Thanks
Regards
Russell
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Offline xxup  
#2 Posted : 17 November 2018 07:21:46(UTC)
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Yes, I have done it, BUT you need a lokprogrammer to set the motor type correctly. Otherwise it will not run well.

You also need to have a very good look at the motor and give it a good clean and new brushes..

Lokprogrammers are not very expensive and they are one of those things, along with a decoder tester, that should be in your toolbox if you are going to do a few digital conversions.
Adrian
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Offline Dave Banks  
#3 Posted : 17 November 2018 07:29:13(UTC)
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Sorry it is not in English but just for you to look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IZ6sZD9Z9w
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Offline Markus Schild  
#4 Posted : 17 November 2018 08:50:35(UTC)
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Hi Russell,

No, that decoder does not work with that motor. It must be converted to a DC-Motor. There are decoders on the market which works with field-coil motors like yours, but not that ESU 52610. Instead of buying a motor - set you can also just replace the field-coil with a HAMO - magnet. But the results are not as good as with the conversion-kit.

Regards

Markus
Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 17 November 2018 10:18:16(UTC)
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Hi!

The decoder works with the motor if you disable the load regulation in the decoder (this can be done without a LokProgrammer).
The LokSound 2 decoder was the last ESU decoder where ESU described in the manual how to wire this up. IMHO it makes no sense to do this.
IMHO you should at least get an ESU permanent magnet for the motor.
Regards
Tom
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Offline poppa-7  
#6 Posted : 18 November 2018 09:29:59(UTC)
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Hi
Thanks for all your posts on my problem, but it looks like my cheapest and best option is to purchase and fit a permanent magnet ESU51961.
Regards
Russell
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#7 Posted : 18 November 2018 09:50:44(UTC)
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If you do need a Lokprogrammer Russell, I have one and can bring it to Railex.
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