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Offline tonyrigbyart  
#1 Posted : 23 October 2018 01:09:00(UTC)
tonyrigbyart

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I live in the USA and recently purchased a Hogwarts Express, model 29552, which I believe is the version for use in the USA, as the plug is DC. The mobile controller (60652?) needs replaced and possibly the transformer (120 V) and terminal track (24088). In looking on eBay, I'm getting a little confused by the AC power source listed in the item descriptions. I'm admittedly new to HO and European trains. I guess I have the following questions:

1) Is the mobile controller for the 29551 and 29552 models the same? In other words, can I just purchase any 60652 controller?

2) Same question for the terminal track...are the 24088 tracks all the same? No differentiation between the AC and DC versions?

3) Is there a compatible 120V transformer that will work with this model? I can't find a marklin transformer on eBay right now?


Thank you so much in advance for your patience with this new marklin user!

Tony
Offline CTD81  
#2 Posted : 23 October 2018 01:24:29(UTC)
CTD81

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The Mobile station 2 will work with your set or you could try and find a Mobile station 1 on ebay. http://www.ajckids.com/products/Marklin/60657
Offline hvc  
#3 Posted : 23 October 2018 01:57:31(UTC)
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Any mobile station will do and any terminal track - you just need the right voltage power pack. If you buy it in the US (and as above ajckids is a good suggestion, they are excellent and can also give you advice), you can get it with a 110V power pack.

I bought the Hogwarts set about 10 years ago as a way to try and get my kids involved in the hobby (limited success I'm afraid).

It is a fun set to have, but the quality of the loco and the carriages is lower than a normal Märklin model - I believe it is a re-jigged model from another manufacturer, Hornby, which is also why it's not quite to scale (OO rather than H0).

I'm still glad I bought it, and I bought the extra 3 carriage set too, but you should have higher quality expectations for other models you buy.
- Herman
Offline tonyrigbyart  
#4 Posted : 23 October 2018 03:08:32(UTC)
tonyrigbyart

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Thank you both! I actually bought this because I'm doing a Harry Potter layout and this seemed to be the best option for the money. Much nicer than Bachmann and I preferred it over the Hornby ones as well, as it at least has a headlight and a little sound. And I believe you're right, hvc....I think this was actually made by Hornby. In any event, I'm hoping I can figure out how to isolate a block with this line of track, as I'd like to make a couple of reverse loops. Any idea if they make a block section?
Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 23 October 2018 07:54:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: tonyrigbyart Go to Quoted Post
In any event, I'm hoping I can figure out how to isolate a block with this line of track, as I'd like to make a couple of reverse loops. Any idea if they make a block section?
Märklin H0 tracks are symmetric three-rail two-conductor tracks that need no insulation for reversing loops and such.
Maybe I do not understand what you are looking for, but AIUI that part is not offered by Märklin because it is not needed.
Regards
Tom
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Offline clapcott  
#6 Posted : 23 October 2018 10:27:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: CTD81 Go to Quoted Post
The Mobile station 2 will work with your set or you could try and find a Mobile station 1 on ebay. http://www.ajckids.com/products/Marklin/60657

This statement needs significant qualification.

The so called Mobile station 2 (60653(grey) or 60657(black)) ...
- WILL NOT work simply by plugging into the 24088 mentioned
- WILL need a separate "TrackBox" (60113(grey) or 60116(black)) to replace the 24088

The 60113/6 is not connected to a piece of track, like the 24088. Instead it has two wires that may be plugged to a standard C-Track piece (actually a 24188)
You cannot have a Mobile Station (1) (60651/60652) controller connected via a 24088 to a layout at the same time as a Mobile station 2 via its "TrackBox"

The power socket is different (2.1mm v 2.5mm) between the 24088 and the 60113/6
for the US , the power supply Marklin provide for the 60113/6 is the 66365

In summary a MS2 will work with the set as long as you ALSO procure a track box and a matching power supply


Originally Posted by: hvc Go to Quoted Post
Any mobile station will do and any terminal track - you just need the right voltage power pack.


Also wrong.

The original Mobile Station (60651 or 60652) requires either the 24088 (as is usually seen in the HO C-Track world) or the 60111 or 60115 Trackbox
(Both these TrackBoxes have two wires to feed the track, the only difference is the plug on the end)

The newer Mobile Station (60653(Grey) and it - colour difference only - successor 60657(Black)) will not work with the 24088,60111 or 60115.
These requires a 60112/3(Grey) or 60114/6.(Black)
Note Either Black/Grey MS2(60653/7) will work with either Grey/Black TrackBox (60112/3/4/6)



HOWEVER,
Both the Mobile Station (1) (60651/60652) and the Mobile Station (2) (60653/60657) WILL work as an auxiliary throttle when connected to a Central Station (60213, 60214, 60215) or Central Station 3(+) (60216/60226)

The Mobile Station (2) (60653/60657) will not work with the Central Station (60212)


......................................... MS1(sic) Trackboxes have a power socket (2.1mm centre pin) plus ...
............................................1x10pin DIN (Master) + 1x7pin DIN (Slave requires 60124)
Mobile ....... \/ 60651 * ........\/ 24088 TrackBox(Uglybox) with C-Track track piece attached
Station (1) .. /\ 60652 * ....... || 60111 TrackBox - White/Grey - with 1-Gauge connectors
................................. /\ 60115 TrackBox - White/Grey - targeted for K-Track

......................................... MS2(sic) Trackboxes have a power socket (2.5mm centre pin) plus ...
............................................2x10pin DIN (Master dependant on actual MS serial number)
................................. \/ 60112 TrackBox - Grey - with 1-Gauge connectors
Mobile ....... \/ 60653 Grey......|| 60113 TrackBox - Grey - with wires targeted for K-Track
Station (2) .. /\ 60657 Black ... || 60114 TrackBox - Black - with 1-Gauge connectors
................................. /\ 60116 TrackBox - Black - with wires targeted for K-Track

* Disclaimer, the usage of 60651 and 60652 is very glib.
Most(sic) starter sets came with a device with 60652 stamped on the back - this was a 1.2Amp capable device
Marklin offered a separate product - the 60652 - which actually provided a device with 60651 stamped on the back. This was a 1.9Amp capable device.

Chances are that a repaired 1.2A device (and there were a lot) would actually get a 1.9A board, so it is insufficient to say that a device with 60652 on the back must be only 1.2A capable.
However, the power supply that shipped with most(sic) Starter sets could barely provide for 1.2A. Thus a larger power supply (or, yes, transformer) was needed.
As a rule of thumb,
- if the starter set came with a blackbox (66181) power adapter , then the MS(1) would be 1.2A capable (60652 on base).
- if the starter set came with a (60052/60055) transformer , then the MS(1) would be 1.9A capable (60651 on base).

Edited by user 24 October 2018 23:15:17(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline skeeterbuck  
#7 Posted : 25 October 2018 13:01:20(UTC)
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You don't need the plug in power supply for the MS2 that's specifically made for US style electrical outlets. You can use the European style plug in transformer and an adaptor plug that allows you to insert into the US style outlet. The plug in style transformers are universal and will convert any input voltage to the correct 18V output require for the MS.

https://www.ebay.com/itm...m4383.l4275.c10#viTabs_0
Offline TEEWolf  
#8 Posted : 26 October 2018 03:00:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: tonyrigbyart Go to Quoted Post
In any event, I'm hoping I can figure out how to isolate a block with this line of track, as I'd like to make a couple of reverse loops. Any idea if they make a block section?
Märklin H0 tracks are symmetric three-rail two-conductor tracks that need no insulation for reversing loops and such.
Maybe I do not understand what you are looking for, but AIUI that part is not offered by Märklin because it is not needed.


TRIX Märklin's 2-rail system offers such a DC reverse loop module.

https://www.trix.de/en/p...s/details/article/66846/
Offline TEEWolf  
#9 Posted : 26 October 2018 03:28:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: tonyrigbyart Go to Quoted Post
I live in the USA and recently purchased a Hogwarts Express, model 29552, which I believe is the version for use in the USA, as the plug is DC. The mobile controller (60652?) needs replaced and possibly the transformer (120 V) and terminal track (24088). In looking on eBay, I'm getting a little confused by the AC power source listed in the item descriptions. I'm admittedly new to HO and European trains. I guess I have the following questions:

1) Is the mobile controller for the 29551 and 29552 models the same? In other words, can I just purchase any 60652 controller?

2) Same question for the terminal track...are the 24088 tracks all the same? No differentiation between the AC and DC versions?

3) Is there a compatible 120V transformer that will work with this model? I can't find a marklin transformer on eBay right now?


Thank you so much in advance for your patience with this new marklin user!

Tony


If you want to replace your MS1 connection, why not a complete change to the actual digital system? Every thing is better as of a MS1. E.g. you get a usage of 16 different digital functions (MS1 only 9 functions). For this you need a MS2, track box and a switched mode power pack? Here is a good offer:

https://estore-sslserver...15f08b03b/Products/60653

The complete set (MS2 + track box + power supply) for 89,90 €. I buy at this dealer myself and can recommend him. He offers you a refund of the 19% German VAT and charges you 39,90 € shipping costs. What you have to buy customs in the USA, I do not know.

Using a 230 V power supply in the USA it is going very slow. I always was remembered trying my electric shaver in the USA when I had forgotten to switch it to 120 VoltSmile. But it never broke down.

But a 120 V power supply for the USA you may get cheap at eBay, although Märklin offers it too including with the correct US-pins for your sockets.

https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/66367/

Perhaps you ask the dealer, if he changes the included power supply against an USA type one, is another possibility.
Offline H0  
#10 Posted : 26 October 2018 08:52:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
TRIX Märklin's 2-rail system offers such a DC reverse loop module.
You get reversing loop modules for Märklin Z gauge and Trix H0 gauge, but you don't need them for Märklin H0 gauge and they are not offered under the "Märklin H0" brand.

Regards
Tom
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Offline 60904  
#11 Posted : 26 October 2018 23:44:45(UTC)
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The two coaches of the Set are quite good, same quality as Märklin, just without the short coupling. The engine is below Märklin. Kids should not play with it. It is not a 3003 or 3048.
Greetings
Martin
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