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Offline mario54i  
#1 Posted : 05 October 2018 11:10:37(UTC)
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The new Märklin 39364 Ae6/6 is now released.
Märklin site says it has 4 axles powered by means of cardan shafts (and this matches the 39 code), but all shops and the new items catalog report 3 axles driven as in the old ones.
Which one is correct ? Is it just a widespread typo ? The spare parts list should help, but it' s empty .
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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 05 October 2018 13:04:20(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: mario54i Go to Quoted Post
Märklin site says it has 4 axles powered by means of cardan shafts (and this matches the 39 code)
The 39361 had three powered axles and a C-Sine motor (and this matches the 39 code).

We have seen it with the BR 152 and 182 that Märklin announced two powered axles in the new items brochure, but then the models came with four powered axles.

By and by Märklin will replace the c90 motors with maintenance-free can motors - and maybe this year it is time for the Ae 6/6. Well, maybe not.

But most likely it is just a "copy 'n' paste" error: the German text indicates three powered axles, the English text indicates four powered axles. So maybe the English text is wrong and was copied from a different loco.
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Offline TEEWolf  
#3 Posted : 05 October 2018 17:50:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mario54i Go to Quoted Post
The new Märklin 39364 Ae6/6 is now released.
Märklin site says it has 4 axles powered by means of cardan shafts (and this matches the 39 code), but all shops and the new items catalog report 3 axles driven as in the old ones.
Which one is correct ? Is it just a widespread typo ? The spare parts list should help, but it' s empty .
Regards



Mario oh sh... - sorry - switch to the German version of the Märklin website:

https://www.maerklin.de/...e/details/article/39364/

there you read 3 axels are driven. But you are right too, in the English version Märklin writes about 4 axles. I guess it is just a typing error.

Whereas the original Ae 6/6 has six powered axles as I learned waiting for my Insider Crocodile Ce 6/8 II (39567). These figures 6/8 describes first the wheeled axles and second number shows the total axels at the loco. So your Ae 6/6 has originally 6 axles whereas all of them are wheeled.

My Insider Croc model has indeed 6 wheeled and 8 total axles. But it also has two motors inside!

P.S.: please my you explain me the 39 code?
Offline mario54i  
#4 Posted : 05 October 2018 19:42:32(UTC)
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In my knowledge locomotives with code 39XXX have a different motor from the usual 5 poles motor used in 37XXX.
At the beginnig it was Csinus, then SDS, now I see that the ones with center motor and cardan shaft are 39XXX, e.g. the new Re460 39460.
However my question was : if I buy the new 39364 will I get a new locomotive with center motor or another re-issue of the 3636 dating back to 1991 (I have one) with more signaling functions and sound ?
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Offline river6109  
#5 Posted : 05 October 2018 19:55:32(UTC)
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Hi, looking at the picture and as mentioned before 39361 (earlier version) there are no changes (apparently), again they've used an old mold and changed some of the light setting functions, the front is pretty much the same as it used to be in 80's: no hook, no hoses.

there is no spare parts list available, even the 39361 shows a conventional motor under the spare part list.


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Offline mario54i  
#6 Posted : 05 October 2018 20:09:08(UTC)
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The spare parts list of the 39361 is shared with many other older versions of Ae6/6 and the drawing shows a 3 pole AC motor, but it should really have a Csinus1 motor. It was released in 2001, at that time there was Csinus1.
I wonder what is inside 39363, this code doesn't appear in Marklin database.

regards
Offline Goofy  
#7 Posted : 05 October 2018 21:12:06(UTC)
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I believe it´s C90 motor with the mfx+ decoder.
It´s not C-sinus motor.
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Offline mike c  
#8 Posted : 06 October 2018 03:22:33(UTC)
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My understanding was that this was supposed to be a new motor for the Ae 6/6 with a centre mounted motor driving the wheels by cardan shaft, which would power three axles on one bogie and one axle on the other bogie. I have not followed the progression of this model, so I cannot confirm that they followed what was originally announced or went back to the original design with the classic motor in bogie design.

What is of interest is that this is the first Marklin model since the original 3050 to have the red light situated under the top light.

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Offline mike c  
#9 Posted : 06 October 2018 03:34:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mario54i Go to Quoted Post
The spare parts list of the 39361 is shared with many other older versions of Ae6/6 and the drawing shows a 3 pole AC motor, but it should really have a Csinus1 motor. It was released in 2001, at that time there was Csinus1.
I wonder what is inside 39363, this code doesn't appear in Marklin database.

regards


39361 has the original C-Sinus motor.
39363 was a special production for a Swiss Association in cooperation with Maerklin's Swiss distributor and is basically a 37360 (Cargo) locomotive in red paint with the markings for the locomotive "Olten" belonging to that Association. Every locomotive sold generated a EUR 25 contribution to the restoration fund for the prototype locomotive.
39364 was announced to have a motor similar to the 39460 type Re 460.

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Mike C
Offline H0  
#10 Posted : 06 October 2018 09:12:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mario54i Go to Quoted Post
In my knowledge locomotives with code 39XXX have a different motor from the usual 5 poles motor used in 37XXX.
In the beginning, all locos with C-Sine motors had 39xxx numbers (except train sets and starter sets) and all locos with 39xxx numbers had C-Sine motors.

The Compact C-Sine motor also appeared in 37xxx locos, so there no longer was a clear distinction after that time.

Since Märklin no longer use C-Sine motors the 39xxx numbers mean absolutely nothing. Some 39xxx have the old-school c90 motor you also find with the 37xxx sisters. One nice example is BR 101 - c90 motor, no cardan shafts. There are 37xxx with cardan shafts and with coreless motors, or brushless motors.

The 39xxx numbers just extend the range of available numbers, desperately needed for all those strictly limited one-time series they are doing.
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Offline mario54i  
#11 Posted : 06 October 2018 20:19:40(UTC)
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Thanks Tom
By chance all my 39XXX have Csine, SDS or can motor, and all my 37XXX have C90 motor, with one exception, the 37129 that has center motor.
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Offline mike c  
#12 Posted : 07 October 2018 01:30:34(UTC)
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As of 2018, Maerklin started using the 39XXX numbering for new models. I do not know whether this indicates a certain motor type (as it used to) or whether it just opens up new model numbers for future productions.

Hopefully in the coming days, somebody will receive their 39364 and can confirm whether A) it has a middle mounted motor with cardan shafts and B) whether the additional light between the windows is functional or not. The model description indicates selection of single white light or dual red lights as taillight option.

This website includes a photo of the underside of the model:
http://www.lokmuseum.de/shopart...680105554&suchen=93#
You can click on the photo of the underside to enlarge it.

The bogie with the slider appears to have the same non powered axles as previous versions of the Ae 6/6 model

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Offline H0  
#13 Posted : 07 October 2018 08:45:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
As of 2018, Maerklin started using the 39XXX numbering for new models.
The 39371 was announced 2013 (not 2018) and it has a c90 motor. I'm not sure if 2013 was the first year.

Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
I do not know whether this indicates a certain motor type (as it used to) or whether it just opens up new model numbers for future productions.
Even locos with c90 motor now get 39xxx codes, so which special meaning could there be?

Regards
Tom
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