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I see that some new locomotive do have extra contact feeder to the wheels.
One example is BR 193 37872.
I did read the manual and do see in sketch of the locomotive.
Will this mean Märklin do have poorly contact on the rail and adjust with extra copper feeder? |
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Hi Goofy
I Don't have this BR 193 but I have another example the SNCF 241 A 65 which has wheel current pick-up on 2 front driving axles and on the rear 2 tender axles.
It seems this evolution is coming from joint Märklin- Trix developments where 2 rails and 3 rails design differences are kept to a minimum.
So Märklin uses now current pick-up on locomotives more than before. Märklin is not better / worse than others but with aging (corrosion, dirt) locomotives need serious cleaning and check about wheel contacts (example VT 798 item 39970 -Schienenbus with C sine).
So a good practice on top of keeping rails and wheels clean is to check mass continuity with an ohmmeter (I discovered that a BR 45 item 37450 was supposed to have current pick-up not only from tender wheels but also from loco wheels). This helps discovering wheel pick-up failures or brocken cables
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 Originally Posted by: Goofy  Will this mean Märklin do have poorly contact on the rail and adjust with extra copper feeder? No  ( The extra contacts is not going to the rails. ) Per. |
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy Will this mean Märklin do have poorly contact on the rail and adjust with extra copper feeder? No ( The extra contacts is not going to the rails. ) Per. The wheels is not isolated from the locomotives under frame so there is no reason of why with extra copper feeder as wheels contact for the Märklin locomotive. The wheels feeds contact to the copper feeder? (If the wheels are isolated from together?) |
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Not too sure what this is about but I just clean the loco wheels and slider and track from time to time. |
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Originally Posted by: Goofy The wheels is not isolated from the locomotives under frame so there is no reason of why with extra copper feeder as wheels contact for the Märklin locomotive. One side is; JohnjeanB told you why. Per. |
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy The wheels is not isolated from the locomotives under frame so there is no reason of why with extra copper feeder as wheels contact for the Märklin locomotive. One side is; JohnjeanB told you why. Per. Which model? It doesn´t says all model do have it from Märklin. Märklin introduce even power cap for the new generation decoder to help extra contact for the locomotives. Brawa,Fleischmann etc do have non-isolated wheels and yet do have copper feeder for the wheels too and not only pick up shoes. If one side of the wheels are isolated from other side like Märklin locomotive it says an rumor Märklin do first step by produce multi-locomotive like ESU? Just pull off pick up shoe and change the solder wire to two rail locomotive? |
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Originally Posted by: Goofy If one side of the wheels are isolated from other side like Märklin locomotive it says an rumor Märklin do first step by produce multi-locomotive like ESU? Several years ago Märklin started using the same wheelsets for both Trix and Märklin models. These wheelsets have plastic axles and the locos have plastic trucks, so they need wheel sliders that make electric contact to the wheels. The centre-rail sliders are plugged in - and some users converted those locos with a manual switch inside that makes them suitable for two-rail and three-rail operation. |
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Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Goofy If one side of the wheels are isolated from other side like Märklin locomotive it says an rumor Märklin do first step by produce multi-locomotive like ESU? Several years ago Märklin started using the same wheelsets for both Trix and Märklin models. These wheelsets have plastic axles and the locos have plastic trucks, so they need wheel sliders that make electric contact to the wheels. The centre-rail sliders are plugged in - and some users converted those locos with a manual switch inside that makes them suitable for two-rail and three-rail operation. But do the model 37872 have isolated wheels or not? If the wheels are non-isolated and do have contact on the locomotives under frame there is no reason to have extra copper feeder on the wheels? |
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Originally Posted by: Goofy If the wheels are non-isolated and do have contact on the locomotives under frame there is no reason to have extra copper feeder on the wheels? Exactly Now start thinking.................. ( Reading JohnjeanB and H0 again might help you. ) Per. |
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This thread is starting to sound like a badly written conspiracy theory. A reason (common parts reuse / manufacturing costs control in Mä v Tr) was given, and then a bunch of "but what if there was a person on the grassy knoll" and "a reddit post said vaccines cause hotdog fingers so ..." Honestly, to me its clearly a sign that Märklin is going to execute a leveraged buyout of Apple in 2023 and force everyone to drive Teslas powered by VW TDI engines with 1980 emissions standards. |
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Originally Posted by: Minok Honestly, to me its clearly a sign that Märklin is going to execute a leveraged buyout of Apple in 2023 and force everyone to drive Teslas powered by VW TDI engines with 1980 emissions standards. ...and a slider underneath.
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Originally Posted by: MaerklinLife Originally Posted by: Minok Honestly, to me its clearly a sign that Märklin is going to execute a leveraged buyout of Apple in 2023 and force everyone to drive Teslas powered by VW TDI engines with 1980 emissions standards. ...and a slider underneath. Yes, its a joint venture with Carrera. |
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This thread started off not exactly serious but the last post has shown just what Marklin have in store for us in the future and it does look good. I have heard though that the Apple deal could come as soon as next year and this will pave the way for a new Apple controller which will not require any wheels to be contacted to the track. However a slider underneath the Tesla ...not a chance as we know it will be catenary driven.
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Originally Posted by: Minok This thread is starting to sound like a badly written conspiracy theory. ALL of Goofy's threads are always just like that and they are always amusing if you keep the right perspective. I read them for the fun of it all and never, ever to learn anything useful. What point Anders is making in these posts is beyond me. It is kind of like Monty Python for railfans. |
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj .. It is kind of like Monty Python for railfans. You ..... are a gem! Kimball |
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj It is kind of like Monty Python for railfans. Better even, Marty Feldman meets John Cleese.  Per. |
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Better even, Marty Feldman meets John Cleese. Per. Brilliant - I had never seen that before and it is hilarious! |
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I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time. |
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Originally Posted by: Marty Feldman I thought I would like sitting here; but now I'm here,
I find it is not as good as I thought it would be.
I'll sit there. Somehow this sentence reminds me of someone from this forum.............. Per. |
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Ah the pre-python days. Its such a shame that across so many television networks in the world there is so much material that was lost from so many great programs.
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Minok wrote:
Such old gems from those eras are to be treasured: any preference to any member ?
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Such old gems from those eras are to be treasured: any preference to any member ? I think everybody here treasure all old gems / members  Per. |
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