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Offline White Buffalo  
#1 Posted : 11 August 2018 16:17:11(UTC)
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Ich habe keine Ahnung warum? I have no idea why?

I have always struggled with identifying the various types of Tenders while using Koll’s Katalog to try and identify the correct version. Could anyone help me in translating Tender types from German to English?

Here are a couple that I believe I am correct with.

Schlepptender - a seperate tender that is pulled behind.
Tenderlokomotive - tank locomotive, part of the locomotive
Nietentender - riveted Tender

How’s about:

Schweißtender?
Kabinentender?
Wannentender?

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Besten Dank - Rich
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#2 Posted : 11 August 2018 17:07:09(UTC)
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welded tender
tender with an integrated cabin (Br 50)

Tank (shaped) tender ?
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#3 Posted : 11 August 2018 19:16:26(UTC)
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Wannentender - tub style tender as in märklin BR 52 models.

Just to add to the confusion, another one used for BR 52 was the stiff frame Steifrahmen tender...


Wannentender:

wannentender.jpg




Steifrahmentender:

Steifrahmentender.jpg





Look here too for a kind of overview:

https://translate.google...p;edit-text=&act=url


If it doesn't work - paste this link into the Google translator: https://de.wikipedia.org...tender#Steifrahmentender

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#4 Posted : 11 August 2018 19:17:27(UTC)
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Wannentender?
Tub tender.

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Offline White Buffalo  
#5 Posted : 11 August 2018 19:40:25(UTC)
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Thank you Gentlemen. BigGrin

and Juhan - the links work great - danke sehr! you helped me twice this week......BigGrin
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Offline Markus Schild  
#6 Posted : 11 August 2018 20:13:31(UTC)
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Hi,

There is also a "Kastentender" e.g. with the class 38/P8 : box type tender.

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Offline GlennM  
#7 Posted : 11 August 2018 20:54:27(UTC)
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Is there not also;

Oil Tender
Condenser Tender
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Offline Markus Schild  
#8 Posted : 11 August 2018 23:18:07(UTC)
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Hi,

you may also read "Triebtender", very rare at Märklin but common at other manufacturers: That's a motorized tender.

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Offline Jabez  
#9 Posted : 11 August 2018 23:34:35(UTC)
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Is there not also;

Oil Tender
Condenser Tender


Corridor tender

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#10 Posted : 12 August 2018 06:28:51(UTC)
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Seeing this month is the anniversary of his passing, surely we can't forget the Elvis Presley version....?
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#11 Posted : 12 August 2018 08:21:18(UTC)
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Ah..... The classic love me tender!
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#12 Posted : 12 August 2018 12:31:47(UTC)
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There's always one.........(two in this case!) BigGrin

Shouldn't that be 'Liebe Mich Tender'?
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#13 Posted : 12 August 2018 15:35:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
There's always one.........(two in this case!) BigGrin

Shouldn't that be 'Liebe Mich Tender'?


AAAhh, in German this is "Liebe mich zärtlich". Unbelievable that he already passed away 41 years ago, on August, 16th. Thanks @cookie_nz for remembrance.





In German for railway expressions a tender is normally used for a supply tank pulled by a steamer and general filled with coal. I never heard in German for railways the word water tender, etc. Then always the word water tank, oil tank, gas tank, Diesel tank, etc. is used. But doesn't the word comes from the English word "to tend"?
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#14 Posted : 12 August 2018 15:37:36(UTC)
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love me tender - BigGrin - that's a good one...LOL

Liebe mich Tender - even besser LOL
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#15 Posted : 12 August 2018 15:42:58(UTC)
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what would you call this one?


Schweißtender?
Wannen Tender?
Tank Tender?
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#16 Posted : 12 August 2018 17:04:14(UTC)
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welded tender
tender with an integrated cabin (Br 50)

Tank (shaped) tender ?


"Wanne", is literally "Bathtub"
This was type of tenders the german industry introduced during WW II (e.g. BR 52 or BR42 K) as it was using less material for the same capacity, only required minimal chassis structure , and also much less manufacturing hours to build.
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#17 Posted : 12 August 2018 17:05:45(UTC)
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what would you call this one?


Schweißtender?
Wannen Tender?
Tank Tender?



Schweisstender, like all the post WW II new constructions
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#18 Posted : 12 August 2018 17:42:55(UTC)
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what would you call this one?


Schweißtender?
Wannen Tender?
Tank Tender?



Hi,

I would just call it "Tender". The more detailed descriptions are usually only used when there is more than one possibility either in the prototype or in the model. The F800 was delivered with a Nietentender or with a Schweißtender. The class 50 ran either with the Einheitstender, with a Kabinentender or with a Wannentender.

There are also another use of the word "Tender" as a description of tools of the central banks. If you ever read "Mengentender", "Zinstender", "Haupttender" or "Basistender": All these terms have nothing to do with railways.

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Liebe mich Tender - even besser


Ok, going totally OT now - How about a Liebfraumilch Tender... Laugh

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#20 Posted : 12 August 2018 21:26:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: White Buffalo Go to Quoted Post
what would you call this one?


Schweißtender?
Wannen Tender?
Tank Tender?



Hi,

I would just call it "Tender". The more detailed descriptions are usually only used when there is more than one possibility either in the prototype or in the model. The F800 was delivered with a Nietentender or with a Schweißtender. The class 50 ran either with the Einheitstender, with a Kabinentender or with a Wannentender.

There are also another use of the word "Tender" as a description of tools of the central banks. If you ever read "Mengentender", "Zinstender", "Haupttender" or "Basistender": All these terms have nothing to do with railways.

Regards

Markus


It is similar in English, our bank notes carry the words "This note is legal tender for xxxx dollars"

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Liebe mich Tender - even besser


Ok, going totally OT now - How about a Liebfraumilch Tender... Laugh



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#22 Posted : 12 August 2018 23:07:29(UTC)
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It is similar in English, our bank notes carry the words "This note is legal tender for xxxx dollars"

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Laugh Where is the coal? Laugh
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Laugh Where is the coal? Laugh


See all the diamonds in the tiara and necklace etc. There's a lot of carbon thereFlapper
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I think its time to talk to the Bar tender?

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I think its time to talk to the Bar tender?

Regards.....Chook.


Tenderly... LOL
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Any more of those Cookee??

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Everyone here is forgetting the main thing!
Why can a locomotive never sit down?

Because she's got a tender behind!Wink
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#28 Posted : 13 August 2018 15:18:05(UTC)
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#29 Posted : 22 June 2019 09:11:24(UTC)
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what would you call this one?


Schweißtender?
Wannen Tender?
Tank Tender?



Hi Allyn Here the Tender is called a Schweißtender. These were plastic tenders used on 01 PAcific and 44 2-10-0 heavy goods loco. The earlier models in 700/800 series had Nietentenders (T32) which were diecast and showed the rivets in the casting. I believe these tender types were named after the designers a bit like the smoke deflectors (Windleitbleche) .... Witte(Smaller), Wagner (Larger elephant Ears)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Paul_Wagner.

I am still researching the types myself in cluding teh typeology of T30 = Tub Tender 30cubicmeter capacity. Therere were T30, t32, t34, t38 tenders.
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#30 Posted : 22 June 2019 11:33:32(UTC)
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I believe these tender types were named after the designers
Schweißtender from "Schweißen", German for welding. Nietentender from Niete or Niet, German for rivet. Welded tenders or riveted tenders.
So this describes how they were made. No reference to the inventor/designer in this case.

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