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Offline Kyrannosaurus  
#1 Posted : 26 July 2018 02:18:42(UTC)
Kyrannosaurus

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Hello,

I am very new to the hobby, it started when I found out about an old starter kit my Dad had back in the late 70's. Would really like to expand on the stuff and make a layout using M track as I can get access to lots of it for a cheaper price than c track and I haven't considered K track as the locomotives are centre rail run. So far I like M track as it's made of good metal (and I have heard about c track cracking), and can be ballasted to look pretty realistic with a bit of work. My only issue is that due to the rail profile, I am wondering if the wear the M track will cause on the locomotive wheels is significant. How much better is c track for decreased model wear? I am not interested in stuff like c track is quieter and smoother, I'm only interested in the potential wear to the loco's.

Cheers.

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Offline analogmike  
#2 Posted : 26 July 2018 03:08:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Kyrannosaurus Go to Quoted Post
Hello,

I am very new to the hobby, it started when I found out about an old starter kit my Dad had back in the late 70's. Would really like to expand on the stuff and make a layout using M track as I can get access to lots of it for a cheaper price than c track and I haven't considered K track as the locomotives are centre rail run. So far I like M track as it's made of good metal (and I have heard about c track cracking), and can be ballasted to look pretty realistic with a bit of work. My only issue is that due to the rail profile, I am wondering if the wear the M track will cause on the locomotive wheels is significant. How much better is c track for decreased model wear? I am not interested in stuff like c track is quieter and smoother, I'm only interested in the potential wear to the loco's.

Cheers.


Don't worry about it. I've been running M track for 50 years and the wheels don't wear.
Mikey
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Offline applor  
#3 Posted : 26 July 2018 04:08:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Kyrannosaurus Go to Quoted Post


and I haven't considered K track as the locomotives are centre rail run. with a bit of work.



K track has a centre stud as well.

Originally Posted by: Kyrannosaurus Go to Quoted Post


So far I like M track as it's made of good metal (and I have heard about c track cracking), and can be ballasted to look pretty realistic

Cheers.


Only the really early C track from the 90's suffered from that. M track can look OK but C track is far better in all ways. 2nd hand M track will likely have rust issues too.

You won't have wear issues on either but you may have running/derailment issues on the old M track and rust issues on 2nd hand track.
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Offline Kyrannosaurus  
#4 Posted : 26 July 2018 04:25:02(UTC)
Kyrannosaurus

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Cheers guys. Most helpful.
Offline Kyrannosaurus  
#5 Posted : 26 July 2018 04:34:33(UTC)
Kyrannosaurus

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Originally Posted by: applor Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Kyrannosaurus Go to Quoted Post


and I haven't considered K track as the locomotives are centre rail run. with a bit of work.



K track has a centre stud as well.

Originally Posted by: Kyrannosaurus Go to Quoted Post


So far I like M track as it's made of good metal (and I have heard about c track cracking), and can be ballasted to look pretty realistic

Cheers.


Only the really early C track from the 90's suffered from that. M track can look OK but C track is far better in all ways. 2nd hand M track will likely have rust issues too.

You won't have wear issues on either but you may have running/derailment issues on the old M track and rust issues on 2nd hand track.




That's great news! I've always liked k track for it's looks (don't like the integrated roadbed) but didn't think it was going to be an option. Anything else I need to know that is specific to running analogue loco's on k track? Were the derailment issues on m track due to the fact that it doesn't connect as well as c or k track?

Regards,
Offline xxup  
#6 Posted : 26 July 2018 05:03:59(UTC)
xxup

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The M-track derailment is overstated.. Any poorly laid track will cause derailment.. I have used m-track for decades and it works great on my computer controlled layout. The last derailment problem was actually caused by a HAMO loco that was converted to three rail the cheap way.. It also derailed on c-track.. I simply replaced the front bogie with the proper marklin part and, hey presto, no more derailment. Just don't do anything stupid like lay turnouts on an angle up a hill or use lots of s bends, and you will not have any serious problems.

As for rust... It is usually caused by a past owner using sandpaper to clean the tracks and removing the plating.. The tracks I bought new in 2000 never rust.. It can be more problematic if you live close to the coast - salt air.. I use a product on the rails called xxxxxxxxx (find it's name later), but the best way to keep the tracks clean is to keep running the trains - this is especially true for the center rail..
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#7 Posted : 26 July 2018 06:44:50(UTC)
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You won't have any issues if your M track is in near new condition, and it isn't to hard to come by in that condition.

Half of my layout is M track, the other half is C and there are no differences in wear and tear on locos from either track type.

I did replace all of my turnouts that had the large light with newer turnouts that have the smaller light, as the longer (27cm and above) passenger cars can clip the bigger light fitting and derail.

Any other derailing issues on M track is normally caused by older track pieces that have had a hard life, hence my recommendation to get pieces that are relatively new.
Offline 60904  
#8 Posted : 26 July 2018 15:01:28(UTC)
60904

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Originally Posted by: applor Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Kyrannosaurus Go to Quoted Post


and I haven't considered K track as the locomotives are centre rail run. with a bit of work.



K track has a centre stud as well.

Originally Posted by: Kyrannosaurus Go to Quoted Post


So far I like M track as it's made of good metal (and I have heard about c track cracking), and can be ballasted to look pretty realistic

Cheers.


Only the really early C track from the 90's suffered from that. M track can look OK but C track is far better in all ways. 2nd hand M track will likely have rust issues too.

You won't have wear issues on either but you may have running/derailment issues on the old M track and rust issues on 2nd hand track.


C Track until 2004 suffers from the disease. Best is to buy C Track with only the last 3 number printed, e.g. 130 instead of 24130.
Greetings
Martin
Offline hxmiesa  
#9 Posted : 27 July 2018 12:12:24(UTC)
hxmiesa

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I use some older M-track in hidden areas, and I am regretting that.
In the automatic shaddow-stations, I have had to substitute the M-track for K-track, in order to have better detection. (It is so easy to isolate one of the rails on K-track, but almost impossible with M-track).

I dont have any C-track, but would definatly prefer that to M-track. M-track -especially older pieces WILL give you problems, if u want to run newer rolling stock, or rolling stock from other brands.

Even perfectly laid M-track can cause problems, especially over curved switches and scissor cross-overs...

If you plan to use VERY OLD M-track, take care that the switch-lanterns may conflict with longer rolling stock. (Not enough clearance)
Best regards
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Offline RayF  
#10 Posted : 27 July 2018 14:45:56(UTC)
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This discussion comes up at least once a month!

I used to have M-track, some new and some old, on my layout. About 10-12 years ago I took advantage of having obtained some C-track in a couple of starter sets and changed over to C-track.

In terms of running qualities there is no comparison. Trains on C-track run much more quietly and smoothly. The tracks go together very positively and accurately, and gaps almost disappear, both on the base and the rails themselves, giving a much more seamless run, so that trains look much steadier than the same trains on M-track. C-track turnouts are a delight for all Marklin trains, and for all non-Marklin with the correct wheels.

As to wheel wear, I have been running trains for all of my life and have never seen significant wear on loco or wagon wheels.

The only negatives are the brittle nature of very early C-track and the poor reliability of the turnout motors (but they can be improved by by-passing the end cut-off micro-switches).

I cannot comment on K-track as I have never used it.
Ray
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Offline dickinsonj  
#11 Posted : 28 July 2018 17:03:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 60904 Go to Quoted Post

C Track until 2004 suffers from the disease. Best is to buy C Track with only the last 3 number printed, e.g. 130 instead of 24130.


I have been replacing all of my older C Track with the stuff made after 2004, and I have not yet had a single problem with breakage in the track with the newer plastic formulation.

I have only recently moved past M Track and although C track can be a bit noisy I find that my trains run much more smoothly on it. I have never used K track but I agree that it looks very nice. I most likely have too much invested in all of my C track to change at this point, but I were just starting again, K track would be very tempting to me as well.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
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