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Ben Dutton		#1 Posted : 21 July 2018 00:06:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/07/2018(UTC) Posts: 8 Location: Virginia, Alexandria		I and a friend are setting up a new Marklin System. We have a mini control station with the required accessories to operate. I am pretty sure we have set up the controller and track correctly. We placed one of our MFX locomotives on the track and went through the procedure to have it recognized. MFX flashed for a second, but nothing further. This was a Marklin 39979; Railbus Roterflitzer. This unit did work correctly on a Rocco "Smart Rail". We Placed another MFX locomotive on the track. This was a 37168 - BR 94.5 "steam Locomotive". With this unit, the controller flashed MFX. then it all the are lit up with the correct locomotive name, with the correct controls next to the proper buttons. And it operated extremely well. I noticed that scrolling through the Locomotive database on the controller I could find the second locomotive, but not the first. Is this the root of the problem? I ask because the manual makes it appear that if the Locomotive is an MFX unit, all it parameters are uploaded from the Locomotive to the controller (rather like plug and play on a computer). Or does the MFX just tell the controller were to go in its internal database to get the proper operating parameters? If the problem is due to the unit not being in the database, what is the best work around? We have had no success trying to program the mini controller. Would generating a locomotive card from a CS2 or CS3 be a viable alternative. We have made some progress by reading the German Manuals and Blogs. The English instructions were somewhat lacking. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Ben Dutton

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cookee_nz		#2 Posted : 21 July 2018 11:30:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 3,953 Location: Paremata, Wellington		Originally Posted by: Ben Dutton I and a friend are setting up a new Marklin System. We have a mini control station with the required accessories to operate. I am pretty sure we have set up the controller and track correctly. We placed one of our MFX locomotives on the track and went through the procedure to have it recognized. MFX flashed for a second, but nothing further. This was a Marklin 39979; Railbus Roterflitzer. This unit did work correctly on a Rocco "Smart Rail". We Placed another MFX locomotive on the track. This was a 37168 - BR 94.5 "steam Locomotive". With this unit, the controller flashed MFX. then it all the are lit up with the correct locomotive name, with the correct controls next to the proper buttons. And it operated extremely well. I noticed that scrolling through the Locomotive database on the controller I could find the second locomotive, but not the first. Is this the root of the problem? I ask because the manual makes it appear that if the Locomotive is an MFX unit, all it parameters are uploaded from the Locomotive to the controller (rather like plug and play on a computer). Or does the MFX just tell the controller were to go in its internal database to get the proper operating parameters? If the problem is due to the unit not being in the database, what is the best work around? We have had no success trying to program the mini controller. Would generating a locomotive card from a CS2 or CS3 be a viable alternative. We have made some progress by reading the German Manuals and Blogs. The English instructions were somewhat lacking. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Ben Dutton Ben, when you say "mini controller", are you referring to a Mobile Station? Can you give the item number, it may be marked on the underside
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kiwiAlan		#3 Posted : 21 July 2018 13:58:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,101 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Ben Dutton I and a friend are setting up a new Marklin System. We have a mini control station with the required accessories to operate. I am pretty sure we have set up the controller and track correctly. We placed one of our MFX locomotives on the track and went through the procedure to have it recognized. MFX flashed for a second, but nothing further. This was a Marklin 39979; Railbus Roterflitzer. This unit did work correctly on a Rocco "Smart Rail". We Placed another MFX locomotive on the track. This was a 37168 - BR 94.5 "steam Locomotive". With this unit, the controller flashed MFX. then it all the are lit up with the correct locomotive name, with the correct controls next to the proper buttons. And it operated extremely well. I noticed that scrolling through the Locomotive database on the controller I could find the second locomotive, but not the first. Is this the root of the problem? I ask because the manual makes it appear that if the Locomotive is an MFX unit, all it parameters are uploaded from the Locomotive to the controller (rather like plug and play on a computer). Or does the MFX just tell the controller were to go in its internal database to get the proper operating parameters? If the problem is due to the unit not being in the database, what is the best work around? We have had no success trying to program the mini controller. Would generating a locomotive card from a CS2 or CS3 be a viable alternative. We have made some progress by reading the German Manuals and Blogs. The English instructions were somewhat lacking. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Ben Dutton The 39979 is an mfx item, but my experience is that you need to turn off mfx in the decoder to get them to work on a smartrail. So did this get turned off and you have failed to turn it on again in the decoder when you tried with the "mini system" (I presume you mean an ms2 by this).


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Ben Dutton		#4 Posted : 21 July 2018 21:33:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/07/2018(UTC) Posts: 8 Location: Virginia, Alexandria		Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Originally Posted by: Ben Dutton I and a friend are setting up a new Marklin System. We have a mini control station with the required accessories to operate. I am pretty sure we have set up the controller and track correctly. We placed one of our MFX locomotives on the track and went through the procedure to have it recognized. MFX flashed for a second, but nothing further. This was a Marklin 39979; Railbus Roterflitzer. This unit did work correctly on a Rocco "Smart Rail". We Placed another MFX locomotive on the track. This was a 37168 - BR 94.5 "steam Locomotive". With this unit, the controller flashed MFX. then it all the are lit up with the correct locomotive name, with the correct controls next to the proper buttons. And it operated extremely well. I noticed that scrolling through the Locomotive database on the controller I could find the second locomotive, but not the first. Is this the root of the problem? I ask because the manual makes it appear that if the Locomotive is an MFX unit, all it parameters are uploaded from the Locomotive to the controller (rather like plug and play on a computer). Or does the MFX just tell the controller were to go in its internal database to get the proper operating parameters? If the problem is due to the unit not being in the database, what is the best work around? We have had no success trying to program the mini controller. Would generating a locomotive card from a CS2 or CS3 be a viable alternative. We have made some progress by reading the German Manuals and Blogs. The English instructions were somewhat lacking. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Ben Dutton Ben, when you say "mini controller", are you referring to a Mobile Station? Can you give the item number, it may be marked on the underside It is the mobil station and it is black, which I believe means it is the newer model I will have to get the model number. Ben


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Ben Dutton		#5 Posted : 21 July 2018 21:39:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/07/2018(UTC) Posts: 8 Location: Virginia, Alexandria		Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Originally Posted by: Ben Dutton I and a friend are setting up a new Marklin System. We have a mini control station with the required accessories to operate. I am pretty sure we have set up the controller and track correctly. We placed one of our MFX locomotives on the track and went through the procedure to have it recognized. MFX flashed for a second, but nothing further. This was a Marklin 39979; Railbus Roterflitzer. This unit did work correctly on a Rocco "Smart Rail". We Placed another MFX locomotive on the track. This was a 37168 - BR 94.5 "steam Locomotive". With this unit, the controller flashed MFX. then it all the are lit up with the correct locomotive name, with the correct controls next to the proper buttons. And it operated extremely well. I noticed that scrolling through the Locomotive database on the controller I could find the second locomotive, but not the first. Is this the root of the problem? I ask because the manual makes it appear that if the Locomotive is an MFX unit, all it parameters are uploaded from the Locomotive to the controller (rather like plug and play on a computer). Or does the MFX just tell the controller were to go in its internal database to get the proper operating parameters? If the problem is due to the unit not being in the database, what is the best work around? We have had no success trying to program the mini controller. Would generating a locomotive card from a CS2 or CS3 be a viable alternative. We have made some progress by reading the German Manuals and Blogs. The English instructions were somewhat lacking. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Ben Dutton Ben, when you say "mini controller", are you referring to a Mobile Station? Can you give the item number, it may be marked on the underside It is the mobil station and it is black, which I believe means it is the newer model I will have to get the model number. Ben


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Ben Dutton		#6 Posted : 21 July 2018 21:57:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/07/2018(UTC) Posts: 8 Location: Virginia, Alexandria		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: Ben Dutton I and a friend are setting up a new Marklin System. We have a mini control station with the required accessories to operate. I am pretty sure we have set up the controller and track correctly. We placed one of our MFX locomotives on the track and went through the procedure to have it recognized. MFX flashed for a second, but nothing further. This was a Marklin 39979; Railbus Roterflitzer. This unit did work correctly on a Rocco "Smart Rail". We Placed another MFX locomotive on the track. This was a 37168 - BR 94.5 "steam Locomotive". With this unit, the controller flashed MFX. then it all the are lit up with the correct locomotive name, with the correct controls next to the proper buttons. And it operated extremely well. I noticed that scrolling through the Locomotive database on the controller I could find the second locomotive, but not the first. Is this the root of the problem? I ask because the manual makes it appear that if the Locomotive is an MFX unit, all it parameters are uploaded from the Locomotive to the controller (rather like plug and play on a computer). Or does the MFX just tell the controller were to go in its internal database to get the proper operating parameters? If the problem is due to the unit not being in the database, what is the best work around? We have had no success trying to program the mini controller. Would generating a locomotive card from a CS2 or CS3 be a viable alternative. We have made some progress by reading the German Manuals and Blogs. The English instructions were somewhat lacking. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Ben Dutton The 39979 is an mfx item, but my experience is that you need to turn off mfx in the decoder to get them to work on a smartrail. So did this get turned off and you have failed to turn it on again in the decoder when you tried with the "mini system" (I presume you mean an ms2 by this). yes, this is a mobil station. We have not made any adjustments to the Locomotive. We do not know how to turn the MFX off and on. However the Locomotive that is not recognized on the mobil station, was first placed on the smart rail, where it worked. could this have turned mfx off. If so, how do you turn it back on. Thanks for any help Ben Dutton


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kiwiAlan		#7 Posted : 22 July 2018 13:45:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,101 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Ben Dutton yes, this is a mobil station. We have not made any adjustments to the Locomotive. We do not know how to turn the MFX off and on. However the Locomotive that is not recognized on the mobil station, was first placed on the smart rail, where it worked. could this have turned mfx off. If so, how do you turn it back on. Thanks for any help Ben Dutton Make sure this is the only loco on the track and when you turn on the cs2 there is an option to change CV values. Look in the ms2 manual to find out how to reset the locomotive. I don't have the instructions for either unit with me, so cannot guide you any further with this, but I'm sure that someone else will.


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TEEWolf		#8 Posted : 23 July 2018 04:36:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,465		Originally Posted by: Ben Dutton I and a friend are setting up a new Marklin System. We have a mini control station with the required accessories to operate. I am pretty sure we have set up the controller and track correctly. We placed one of our MFX locomotives on the track and went through the procedure to have it recognized. MFX flashed for a second, but nothing further. This was a Marklin 39979; Railbus Roterflitzer. This unit did work correctly on a Rocco "Smart Rail". We Placed another MFX locomotive on the track. This was a 37168 - BR 94.5 "steam Locomotive". With this unit, the controller flashed MFX. then it all the are lit up with the correct locomotive name, with the correct controls next to the proper buttons. And it operated extremely well. I noticed that scrolling through the Locomotive database on the controller I could find the second locomotive, but not the first. Is this the root of the problem? Indeed it could be. The MS 2 has 2 databases. The 10+1 you see at the display and an internal one for 40 spaces. If your loco is not in one of the databases the information has to come from the mfx decoder. If that one is not functioning, you must add your digital address manually. https://www.maerklin.de/...faq/Technik-Tipp-307.pdf https://www.maerklin.de/...faq/Technik-Tipp-306.pdf Quote: I ask because the manual makes it appear that if the Locomotive is an MFX unit, all it parameters are uploaded from the Locomotive to the controller (rather like plug and play on a computer). Or does the MFX just tell the controller were to go in its internal database to get the proper operating parameters? If mfx is working properly, it is a plug & play system. But yours is not working. So you have to programm your decoder manually and save it to the decoder. Quote: If the problem is due to the unit not being in the database, what is the best work around? We have had no success trying to program the mini controller. Would generating a locomotive card from a CS2 or CS3 be a viable alternative. Yes. But you had no sucess before, so delete the loco from all your MS 2 databases (if it appears somewhere) and make a reset of your decoder before you start programming again. Quote: We have made some progress by reading the German Manuals and Blogs. The English instructions were somewhat lacking. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Ben Dutton Hello Ben, you are providing a good description what is happening, but unfortunately not too much about the technical articles. So I guess you are using a MS 2 art #60657? After reading some German threads about this topic it is not so rare as I first thought. But: - do you have access to a CS 2 or CS 3? - have you tried to register your mfx loco manually? - have you tried to create a loco-card and get the loco registration via a loco card? You can try to write the loco card either by a CS 2 or CS 3 or by a MS 2. As far as I understand the discussion in the German threads, some different reasons can cause problems of a mfx decoder not registering. But you wrote the mfx sign was flashing for a short moment than happens nothing, so your appliances must work but perhaps not your decoder. Of course, you used the decoder with Roco. I am not experienced with Roco, but perhaps it may have switched the fomat to a DCC standard. Roco cannot use mfx as a track format. There you wrote it was running perfectly under Roco somebody must have changed your railbus to a DCC format. But also possible: your decoder is damaged. Then either you send it back to Märklin to get the decoder changed. Or you buy a new mSD/3 and install it by yourself. Could be by the horrendous shipping prices from the USA to Germany perhaps cheaper as sending them back to Märklin. Regards TEEWolf
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Ben Dutton		#9 Posted : 23 July 2018 19:50:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/07/2018(UTC) Posts: 8 Location: Virginia, Alexandria		Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Originally Posted by: Ben Dutton I and a friend are setting up a new Marklin System. We have a mini control station with the required accessories to operate. I am pretty sure we have set up the controller and track correctly. We placed one of our MFX locomotives on the track and went through the procedure to have it recognized. MFX flashed for a second, but nothing further. This was a Marklin 39979; Railbus Roterflitzer. This unit did work correctly on a Rocco "Smart Rail". We Placed another MFX locomotive on the track. This was a 37168 - BR 94.5 "steam Locomotive". With this unit, the controller flashed MFX. then it all the are lit up with the correct locomotive name, with the correct controls next to the proper buttons. And it operated extremely well. I noticed that scrolling through the Locomotive database on the controller I could find the second locomotive, but not the first. Is this the root of the problem? I ask because the manual makes it appear that if the Locomotive is an MFX unit, all it parameters are uploaded from the Locomotive to the controller (rather like plug and play on a computer). Or does the MFX just tell the controller were to go in its internal database to get the proper operating parameters? If the problem is due to the unit not being in the database, what is the best work around? We have had no success trying to program the mini controller. Would generating a locomotive card from a CS2 or CS3 be a viable alternative. We have made some progress by reading the German Manuals and Blogs. The English instructions were somewhat lacking. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Ben Dutton Ben, when you say "mini controller", are you referring to a Mobile Station? Can you give the item number, it may be marked on the underside It was indeed a mobile station Part of Marklin digital starter set 29000 the mobile station is part number 60657


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Ben Dutton		#10 Posted : 23 July 2018 19:52:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/07/2018(UTC) Posts: 8 Location: Virginia, Alexandria		Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Originally Posted by: Ben Dutton I and a friend are setting up a new Marklin System. We have a mini control station with the required accessories to operate. I am pretty sure we have set up the controller and track correctly. We placed one of our MFX locomotives on the track and went through the procedure to have it recognized. MFX flashed for a second, but nothing further. This was a Marklin 39979; Railbus Roterflitzer. This unit did work correctly on a Rocco "Smart Rail". We Placed another MFX locomotive on the track. This was a 37168 - BR 94.5 "steam Locomotive". With this unit, the controller flashed MFX. then it all the are lit up with the correct locomotive name, with the correct controls next to the proper buttons. And it operated extremely well. I noticed that scrolling through the Locomotive database on the controller I could find the second locomotive, but not the first. Is this the root of the problem? Indeed it could be. The MS 2 has 2 databases. The 10+1 you see at the display and an internal one for 40 spaces. If your loco is not in one of the databases the information has to come from the mfx decoder. If that one is not functioning, you must add your digital address manually. https://www.maerklin.de/...faq/Technik-Tipp-307.pdf https://www.maerklin.de/...faq/Technik-Tipp-306.pdf Quote: I ask because the manual makes it appear that if the Locomotive is an MFX unit, all it parameters are uploaded from the Locomotive to the controller (rather like plug and play on a computer). Or does the MFX just tell the controller were to go in its internal database to get the proper operating parameters? If mfx is working properly, it is a plug & play system. But yours is not working. So you have to programm your decoder manually and save it to the decoder. Quote: If the problem is due to the unit not being in the database, what is the best work around? We have had no success trying to program the mini controller. Would generating a locomotive card from a CS2 or CS3 be a viable alternative. Yes. But you had no sucess before, so delete the loco from all your MS 2 databases (if it appears somewhere) and make a reset of your decoder before you start programming again. Quote: We have made some progress by reading the German Manuals and Blogs. The English instructions were somewhat lacking. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Ben Dutton Hello Ben, you are providing a good description what is happening, but unfortunately not too much about the technical articles. So I guess you are using a MS 2 art #60657? After reading some German threads about this topic it is not so rare as I first thought. But: - do you have access to a CS 2 or CS 3? - have you tried to register your mfx loco manually? - have you tried to create a loco-card and get the loco registration via a loco card? You can try to write the loco card either by a CS 2 or CS 3 or by a MS 2. As far as I understand the discussion in the German threads, some different reasons can cause problems of a mfx decoder not registering. But you wrote the mfx sign was flashing for a short moment than happens nothing, so your appliances must work but perhaps not your decoder. Of course, you used the decoder with Roco. I am not experienced with Roco, but perhaps it may have switched the fomat to a DCC standard. Roco cannot use mfx as a track format. There you wrote it was running perfectly under Roco somebody must have changed your railbus to a DCC format. But also possible: your decoder is damaged. Then either you send it back to Märklin to get the decoder changed. Or you buy a new mSD/3 and install it by yourself. Could be by the horrendous shipping prices from the USA to Germany perhaps cheaper as sending them back to Märklin. Regards TEEWolf It was indeed a mobile station Part of Marklin digital starter set 29000 the mobile station is part number 60657 We would have to send the mobile station back to our dealer in Chicago, IL. We are located in Alexandria, VA.


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Ben Dutton		#11 Posted : 23 July 2018 19:58:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/07/2018(UTC) Posts: 8 Location: Virginia, Alexandria		Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Originally Posted by: Ben Dutton I and a friend are setting up a new Marklin System. We have a mini control station with the required accessories to operate. I am pretty sure we have set up the controller and track correctly. We placed one of our MFX locomotives on the track and went through the procedure to have it recognized. MFX flashed for a second, but nothing further. This was a Marklin 39979; Railbus Roterflitzer. This unit did work correctly on a Rocco "Smart Rail". We Placed another MFX locomotive on the track. This was a 37168 - BR 94.5 "steam Locomotive". With this unit, the controller flashed MFX. then it all the are lit up with the correct locomotive name, with the correct controls next to the proper buttons. And it operated extremely well. I noticed that scrolling through the Locomotive database on the controller I could find the second locomotive, but not the first. Is this the root of the problem? I ask because the manual makes it appear that if the Locomotive is an MFX unit, all it parameters are uploaded from the Locomotive to the controller (rather like plug and play on a computer). Or does the MFX just tell the controller were to go in its internal database to get the proper operating parameters? If the problem is due to the unit not being in the database, what is the best work around? We have had no success trying to program the mini controller. Would generating a locomotive card from a CS2 or CS3 be a viable alternative. We have made some progress by reading the German Manuals and Blogs. The English instructions were somewhat lacking. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Ben Dutton Ben, when you say "mini controller", are you referring to a Mobile Station? Can you give the item number, it may be marked on the underside It was indeed a mobile station Part of Marklin digital starter set 29000 the mobile station is part number 60657


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Ben Dutton		#12 Posted : 23 July 2018 19:59:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/07/2018(UTC) Posts: 8 Location: Virginia, Alexandria		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: Ben Dutton I and a friend are setting up a new Marklin System. We have a mini control station with the required accessories to operate. I am pretty sure we have set up the controller and track correctly. We placed one of our MFX locomotives on the track and went through the procedure to have it recognized. MFX flashed for a second, but nothing further. This was a Marklin 39979; Railbus Roterflitzer. This unit did work correctly on a Rocco "Smart Rail". We Placed another MFX locomotive on the track. This was a 37168 - BR 94.5 "steam Locomotive". With this unit, the controller flashed MFX. then it all the are lit up with the correct locomotive name, with the correct controls next to the proper buttons. And it operated extremely well. I noticed that scrolling through the Locomotive database on the controller I could find the second locomotive, but not the first. Is this the root of the problem? I ask because the manual makes it appear that if the Locomotive is an MFX unit, all it parameters are uploaded from the Locomotive to the controller (rather like plug and play on a computer). Or does the MFX just tell the controller were to go in its internal database to get the proper operating parameters? If the problem is due to the unit not being in the database, what is the best work around? We have had no success trying to program the mini controller. Would generating a locomotive card from a CS2 or CS3 be a viable alternative. We have made some progress by reading the German Manuals and Blogs. The English instructions were somewhat lacking. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Ben Dutton The 39979 is an mfx item, but my experience is that you need to turn off mfx in the decoder to get them to work on a smartrail. So did this get turned off and you have failed to turn it on again in the decoder when you tried with the "mini system" (I presume you mean an ms2 by this). It was indeed a mobile station Part of Marklin digital starter set 29000 the mobile station is part number 60657 We would have to send the mobile station back to our dealer in Chicago, IL. We are located in Alexandria, VA.


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TEEWolf		#13 Posted : 24 July 2018 04:22:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,465		Originally Posted by: Ben Dutton It was indeed a mobile station Part of Marklin digital starter set 29000 the mobile station is part number 60657 We would have to send the mobile station back to our dealer in Chicago, IL. We are located in Alexandria, VA. Thanks for the information. You decided to quit with the mfx-system from Märklin? Getting back to Roco? Although your track package 29000 is really a good one. And as you wrote in your first post, it was only the rail bus not working. This red rail bus is famous for wrecking quite often. While your steamer loco was functioning very well. So it cannot be any damage at the 29000 set. Otherwise your steamer would not have run. Sorry, I forgot to write, at the moment in the Märklin Magazine (MM) a series about the MS 2 is published. Unfortunately I only can sent you a link to the German version for these articles although the complete MM paper is available in English too. The MM https://www.maerklin.de/...ournal/maerklin-magazin/ The series about the MS 2 - it is a pitty that you cannot get access to the download area for these articles via the English part of Märklin's websites. You must go via the German version. https://www.maerklin.de/...men-specials-und-serien/ http://streaming.maerkli...e_Station_MM_2018_01.pdf http://streaming.maerkli...e_Station_MM_2018_02.pdf http://streaming.maerkli...e_Station_MM_2018_03.pdf These 3 articles are published at the moment and another 3 are announced. If you want to translate them, I can recommend you this translating software https://www.deepl.com/translator
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