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Offline rhschulz2000  
#1 Posted : 27 June 2018 04:39:23(UTC)
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Some of you were very kind in helping me identify my earlier track question, but now I have a follow up question. In the attached picturea5 varities of 3600 D Track.JPG are the tracks shown of a different era or just finish imperfections?Track - Brown Crackle Finish.JPGTrack - Light Tan Crackle Finish.JPGTrack - Tan Smooth Finish.JPGTrack - Light Green Smooth Finish.JPGTrack - Camoflauge Finish.JPG
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Offline Markus Schild  
#2 Posted : 27 June 2018 08:30:44(UTC)
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Hi Bob,

All the rails are from the period between 1942 and 1947. You show them in the right order of production. The "spider"- design was introduced from ~1942. It was produced until around the end of the war. It is not really clear when the production of toys at Märklin ended during the war. It is also possible that it never ended fully except for the period between April 1945 and July 1945 when the factory was fully closed.
The "spider" - design was ceased around the end of the war. It is likely that the printing - machine was out of order or confiscated. Also other products which use imprinted tins before the war came hand-painted in the period after July 1945 when Märklin started the production again.

Shortage of materials of all kinds was typical for these years. They had to the colours and materials they could get from anywhere, not the ones they would like to use.

The production - date is surely not the date of sale. All the types you show are known from PX-sets which were exclusively sold to members of the US-forces in Germany. Until June 1948 (introduction of the new currency DEUTSCHE MARK) Märklin toys were not accessible for Germans.

Regards

Markus
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Offline MalinAC  
#3 Posted : 27 June 2018 16:26:17(UTC)
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Markus,why could Germans not buy the trains. Eddie
Offline Markus Schild  
#4 Posted : 27 June 2018 16:52:55(UTC)
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Hi Malin,

When the war ended in May, 1945 the German industry and most cities were widely destroyed, the people were starving and the old currency (Reichsmark) was worthless. Products which were not absolutely necessary for daily live were only produced to be exported for hard currency or to be sold to the Allies. Everything was rationed. But also rationed goods were rare and not available as promised. Many people died of starvation. The currency had no value any more. On the black market a pound of butter was priced at a month income.
Germans thought about how to survive. Not about building the new layout.


Regards

Markus

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Offline Jabez  
#5 Posted : 29 June 2018 22:48:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Markus Schild Go to Quoted Post
PX-sets which were exclusively sold to members of the US-forces in Germany. Until June 1948 (introduction of the new currency DEUTSCHE MARK) Märklin toys were not accessible for Germans.
Markus

My father brought me my first Maerklin set for my Christmas in 1947 as I recall. He was an officer in the British army in occupied Germany but I suppose the black market helpedRollEyes
Jabez

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Offline Soest  
#6 Posted : 18 July 2018 05:38:52(UTC)
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I have track of this pattern painted black on the bottom and some painted brown. Did the colour change after the war from brown to black? Thanks.

Mike
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Their wives insist they are insane
But their dreams they won't let down the drain
'Cause there ain't no thing so hard to lose as those disappearing railway blues.
Offline Minok  
#7 Posted : 18 July 2018 22:32:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MalinAC Go to Quoted Post
Markus,why could Germans not buy the trains. Eddie


As Markus had described so well, the lack of a non-functioning government and thus no central bank or bank-notes that were backed, meant there was no official currency for Germans that had any value. Everything was done on the barter system, and essentials were distributed via ration card systems. There were no ration cards allotting families toys naturally. So until the new currency (DM) was set up, folks lived off of ration card allotments of essentials and bartering. Thus the production of goods was all for export or to military occupation forces such as the military post exchanges. What bartering and black market deals were had in parallel were likely not directed at getting trains, when the population was working to rebuild infrastructure to ensure there was hot water, electricity, roads/bridges, a roof over their heads and potatoes for dinner.

A similar situation to what happened in the GDR (East Germany/Russian Zone) in the 1960's,70's,80's with the Intershops in a way, where the east German government produced goods for the west, or resold western goods inside east Germany but one had to pay with western currency, or have special coupons to purchase. The people might see the goods were there, but to be able to actually purchase them you needed a resource you didn't have easy access to: D-Mark, or see port coupons. In east Germany the point was to capture all of the hard currency from the west that was in play in east Germans' hands so that the country could then use that money in the international market to buy the things it needed to operate. But in both cases, there were goods that were available in specific shops, that the every-man could not purchase.
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Offline TEEWolf  
#8 Posted : 19 July 2018 18:25:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jabez Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Markus Schild Go to Quoted Post
PX-sets which were exclusively sold to members of the US-forces in Germany. Until June 1948 (introduction of the new currency DEUTSCHE MARK) Märklin toys were not accessible for Germans.
Markus

My father brought me my first Maerklin set for my Christmas in 1947 as I recall. He was an officer in the British army in occupied Germany but I suppose the black market helpedRollEyes
Jabez



In addition to @Markus Schilds remarks, on June 21st, 1948 in Germany a currency reform was undertaken in the 3 allied Western sectors. The "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" was not yet existing. The Federal Republic of Germany was etablished on May 23rd, 1949. After its foundation, the FRG kept the currency DM.

When Germany switched 1948 from the "Reichsmark" (RM) to the "Deutsche Mark" (DM) the RM lost all its value and every German got a personal new starting capital of 40 DM. At that time I was not yet born, but my parents told me on June 20th 1948 all shops were totally empty. You got no goods, nothing. On June 22nd all shops were full with goods and you could by what you want. Or better, in which articles you wanted to invest your first 40 DM.

This all happened only in the Western part of Germany, the so called "Trizone" (USA, GB, F). So Germans named their country at that time humorous "Trizonesien". The Soviet sector had a totally different development.

But if your father has been in the British Army, I think he did not need any black market. He probabely bought your Christmas gift with the good old British Pound. He was a part of the victorious power.
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Offline TEEWolf  
#9 Posted : 19 July 2018 19:00:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: MalinAC Go to Quoted Post
Markus,why could Germans not buy the trains. Eddie


As Markus had described so well, the lack of a non-functioning government and thus no central bank or bank-notes that were backed, meant there was no official currency for Germans that had any value. Everything was done on the barter system, and essentials were distributed via ration card systems. There were no ration cards allotting families toys naturally. So until the new currency (DM) was set up, folks lived off of ration card allotments of essentials and bartering. Thus the production of goods was all for export or to military occupation forces such as the military post exchanges. What bartering and black market deals were had in parallel were likely not directed at getting trains, when the population was working to rebuild infrastructure to ensure there was hot water, electricity, roads/bridges, a roof over their heads and potatoes for dinner.

A similar situation to what happened in the GDR (East Germany/Russian Zone) in the 1960's,70's,80's with the Intershops in a way, where the east German government produced goods for the west, or resold western goods inside east Germany but one had to pay with western currency, or have special coupons to purchase. The people might see the goods were there, but to be able to actually purchase them you needed a resource you didn't have easy access to: D-Mark, or see port coupons. In east Germany the point was to capture all of the hard currency from the west that was in play in east Germans' hands so that the country could then use that money in the international market to buy the things it needed to operate. But in both cases, there were goods that were available in specific shops, that the every-man could not purchase.


Minok in the GDR (founded October 7th, 1949) nobody was starving. They all had always enough to eat by all political and economic problems they got.

But my mother always told me at the time between 45 to 48, when they stand up from the dinner table after dinner, they said, something to eat would be nice and helpful now. This was the time when the Americans sent all these CARE (it stands for „Cooperative for American Remittances to Europe“) parcels to Europe and Germany. They really had a tremendous positiv impact on the starving German population. Not forgotten in Germany, till today.

But the intershops in the DDR you cannot compare to the situation from 1945 to 1948. The official German currency was the Reichsmark, but nobody wanted to sell you anything for it. This was the reason a barter system by goods grew up. Such a barter system also existed with the GDR only by companies, but not by the people. The East-German Ostmark had a value and you could buy things, if they were availabale, like a car as the Trabbi. You could buy it and you got it! You only had a delivery waiting time up to 18 years.Laugh We already complaining about Märklin, if they are 18 weeks late or so.BigGrin

The intershop were only set up to achieve money in the DM currency for the DDR goverment and to withdraw all the DM from the East-Germans, which them were sent by their relatives from West-Germany.
Offline Jabez  
#10 Posted : 20 July 2018 23:16:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post

But if your father has been in the British Army, I think he did not need any black market. He probabely bought your Christmas gift with the good old British Pound. He was a part of the victorious power.

I was referring to the statement
PX-sets which were exclusively sold to members of the US-forces in Germany. Until June 1948
which clearly wasn't so in the case of my long ago Christmas present from my British forces father. No big deal.
I can remember there used to be cardboard coins called BAFs which could be spent in the NAAFI in Germany, the British equivalent of the PX.
I can also remember German people growing potatoes and cabbages on their parent's grave plots in cemeteries, these were tough times.
I heard that lonesome whistle blow. Hank Williams
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