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ParisTsirchoglou		#1 Posted : 19 January 2018 16:47:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2015(UTC) Posts: 127 Location: Thessaloniki, Greece		Hello everybody. Brawa New Items 2018. Enjoy https://www.brawa.de/fil...itenprospekt_2018_DE.pdf Regards Paris
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Thewolf		#2 Posted : 19 January 2018 17:30:12(UTC) Retweet
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kiwiAlan		#3 Posted : 19 January 2018 17:44:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,107 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: ParisTsirchoglou Hello everybody. Brawa New Items 2018. Enjoy https://www.brawa.de/fil...itenprospekt_2018_DE.pdf Regards Paris Thanks for the link. I wonder how many people have ordered the Marklin Rheingold, and are now going "oh look Brawa has a Rheingold as well" ...
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H0		#4 Posted : 19 January 2018 18:27:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,266 Location: DE-NW		To reduce the shock, RRPs come in a separate file: https://www.brawa.de/download/preisliste/ Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan I wonder how many people have ordered the Marklin Rheingold, and are now going "oh look Brawa has a Rheingold as well" ... List price for the Rheingold BR 01 with sound is € 520. Add € 750 for the five coaches with lights and sound. For the plain vanilla version it's € 300 for the coaches and € 435 for the loco. A bit cheaper than Märklin's posh version, but without sound and without interior lights. Brawa announces delivery for 2019 ...
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steventrain		#5 Posted : 19 January 2018 19:29:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Thanks for the PDF, I like the BR01. I look at symbol - Digital basis and Digital extra. What do it mean?
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H0		#6 Posted : 19 January 2018 19:33:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,266 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: steventrain Digital basis and Digital extra. What do it mean? Digital without sound and digital with sound. The sound versions may include other gadgets (smoke generators for steamers, rotating fans for diesel locos, ...). With the BR 01, you also get lights at the running gears and a flickering light in the fire box with the "extra" version.
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applor		#7 Posted : 20 January 2018 01:07:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/05/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,654 Location: Brisbane, Queensland		My heart lifted when I saw the new BR01 series... but no 3a version with Witte and 2 lights and it sunk again Just the same variant we've had 50 times already
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I_love_Marklin_37538		#8 Posted : 20 January 2018 08:44:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2008(UTC) Posts: 951 Location: ,		Anyone know of any shops in Germany that can do preorders for the br01 and Rheingold carriages?
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Goofy		#9 Posted : 20 January 2018 08:55:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		There is lot of new wagons!!
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H0		#10 Posted : 20 January 2018 09:01:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,266 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: applor Just the same variant we've had 50 times already They show a variation with small running wheels. I might be tempted when they bring an era IIIb version with small wheels. The era IIIa version with two headlights will probably come one day. Two things you can do: start saving money and mail them to speed up the process ...
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vilithejou		#11 Posted : 20 January 2018 09:24:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 840 Location: Vic, Barcelona		Originally Posted by: I_love_Marklin_37538 Anyone know of any shops in Germany that can do preorders for the br01 and Rheingold carriages? The BR01 drive, the motor, is in the tender.. not for me... The coaches may... I have only on Rheingold in Marklin old edition.... maybe this one will be good option
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Bigdaddynz		#13 Posted : 20 January 2018 20:55:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Webmaster Those coaches do indeed look nice... Yes, but AFAIK both the Brawa and Marklin Rheingold sets are one coach sort - should there not be an additional baggage coach? The previous 41928 Rheingold set (which I have) also only had 5 coaches, but at that time (2008) Brawa produced the 2nd baggage coach ( which I also have).
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Bigdaddynz		#14 Posted : 20 January 2018 20:59:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: I_love_Marklin_37538 Anyone know of any shops in Germany that can do preorders for the br01 and Rheingold carriages? Lokshop are dealers for both Brawa and Marklin. Send an email to mail (at) lokshop (dot) com to either Roland or Elizabeth Baer, and see if they can get you the Marklin set, or if not, the Brawa one. Be quick though.
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H0		#15 Posted : 20 January 2018 22:02:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,266 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Yes, but AFAIK both the Brawa and Marklin Rheingold sets are one coach sort - should there not be an additional baggage coach? No. Until 1933 or 1934 there had to be a baggage car behind the loco. The Märklin set is supposed to show the state of 1931, so it's stupid that Märklin added the red rear lights to the single baggage car. With red lights on one of the coaches the set would be correct IMHO. Not the only flaw with the photos published by Märklin: two coaches had kitchens, two didn't. The correct order would be kitchen-no kitchen-kitchen-no kitchen. The Märklin photo shows the coaches with the kitchens next to each other and the coaches without coaches next to each other. For the Z gauge Rheingold they show the baggage car behind the loco ... With a BR 01 pulling the train after 1933/34 the single baggage car can run at the end of the train. So if Brawa models the Rheingold from a later year, the baggage car can be either at the end or behind the loco. See the prototype photo on page 6 of the Brawa New Items brochure. Brawa makes the 01 193 which went into service in 1936, so with that loco the baggage car can run at either end. In the early years the Rheingold went with one baggage car from the Netherlands to Mannheim, a terminus station. There a fresh loco with a second baggage car took the train over which continued the journey southwards with two baggage cars.
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Bigdaddynz		#16 Posted : 21 January 2018 02:45:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheingold_(train)), the Rheingold did have 2 baggage cars, one at either end of the train. This was the case when the Rheingold first entered service in 1928, but I don't know when the train was reduced to 5 coaches. Further information can be found at: http://www.heinrich-hank.../rheingold_1928-1939.htm http://www.heinrich-hank...bildung/e2_rheingold.htm http://www.heinrich-hank...ng/e2_rheingold.htm#1935 In fact, in the last 2 links you can see that the Rheingold's that ran from Mannheim to Basel, both in 1928 and 1935 had 6 coaches. (Correct me if I'm wrong, I relied on a Google translated version of these webpages). Either way, Rheingold's with 5 or 6 coaches would be prototypical on your layouts. Coach types are given in the above link - there were 5 1st class coaches with kitchens and 5 1st class coaches with no kitchen built in total.
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Goofy		#17 Posted : 21 January 2018 08:22:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: H0 To reduce the shock, RRPs come in a separate file: https://www.brawa.de/download/preisliste/ List price for the Rheingold BR 01 with sound is € 520. Add € 750 for the five coaches with lights and sound. For the plain vanilla version it's € 300 for the coaches and € 435 for the loco. A bit cheaper than Märklin's posh version, but without sound and without interior lights. Yes it´s expensive but you buy them separately. Märklins new train set is not.
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H0		#18 Posted : 21 January 2018 09:06:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,266 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheingold_(train)), the Rheingold did have 2 baggage cars, one at either end of the train. That is simply wrong: there was only one baggage car north of Mannheim. Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Either way, Rheingolds with 5 or 6 coaches would be prototypical on your layouts. Yes. But do not copy the wrong order of coaches from the Märklin 2018 New Items brochure. Meals were served at the tables and waiters didn't have to run from the kitchen in the second coach to the travellers in the fourth coach. And until at least 1933 (maybe 1934) there had to be a baggage car behind the loco. Many prototype pictures can be found here (site is German only, but translating browsers may help): http://www.eisenbahnstiftung.de/bildergalerie Enter "rheingold" in the "Volltextsuche" field and only look at pictures from era II. Don't get fooled by pictures of museum trains.
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I_love_Marklin_37538		#19 Posted : 21 January 2018 10:03:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2008(UTC) Posts: 951 Location: ,		I emailed modellbahnshop Lippe about the Br 01 and Rheingold carriages from Brawa, still no reply
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H0		#20 Posted : 21 January 2018 10:09:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,266 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: I_love_Marklin_37538 I emailed modellbahnshop Lippe about the Br 01 and Rheingold carriages from Brawa, still no reply Saturday and Sunday are collectively called "Weekend" in the decadent Western world and most workers stay at home. They'll be back at work in 22 or 24 hours ... Wait a business day or two and the Brawa new items should be listed in various web shops with pre-order prices.
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Bigdaddynz		#21 Posted : 21 January 2018 10:30:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: I_love_Marklin_37538 I emailed modellbahnshop Lippe about the Br 01 and Rheingold carriages from Brawa, still no reply They usually take 3 or 4 days to reply, and that won't include weekends (as Tom rightly points out). It's not like they're sitting at their computer refreshing the browser every 5 seconds just waiting for an email to arrive from Alex...... Give them a week, and follow up if they haven't replied by then.
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Bigdaddynz		#22 Posted : 21 January 2018 10:35:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheingold_(train)), the Rheingold did have 2 baggage cars, one at either end of the train. That is simply wrong: there was only one baggage car north of Mannheim. "The luxurious Pullman-type coaches had a distinct cream/blue livery in 1st and 2nd class, each measuring 23.5 m (77 ft). At both ends (one behind the locomotive) there was a blue luggage wagon. Some cars had a kitchen, with one kitchen serving two cars." Who am I to argue?
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H0		#23 Posted : 21 January 2018 10:51:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,266 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Who am I to argue? Wikipedia is wrong. Anybody can edit it. I'm not a native English speaker and therefore I'm reluctant to correct the wrong entry in the Wikipedia. Rheingold 1934 with one baggage car: http://www.eisenbahnstif.../bildergalerie/34170.jpg http://www.eisenbahnstif...s/bildergalerie/9382.jpg http://www.eisenbahnstif.../bildergalerie/14563.jpg 1932: http://www.eisenbahnstif.../bildergalerie/20785.jpg 1931: http://www.eisenbahnstif.../bildergalerie/43668.jpg 1928: http://www.eisenbahnstif.../bildergalerie/43545.jpg 1928 - six coaches, one baggage car: http://www.eisenbahnstif.../bildergalerie/21219.jpg 1937 with just three coaches: http://www.eisenbahnstif.../bildergalerie/43547.jpg One baggage car is enough - but pictures from 1933 and earlier always show the baggage car behind the loco (I haven't seen exceptions to this rule - but with German railways nothing is impossible). Rule just said that passengers where not allowed in the first car behind the loco - a locked passenger coach would also have done.
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steventrain		#24 Posted : 21 January 2018 10:55:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Download 2018 brochure English edition. >BRAWA ENGLISH PDF<
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Bigdaddynz		#25 Posted : 21 January 2018 11:00:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: H0 http://www.eisenbahnstiftung.de You missed the photo with 7 coaches (and 2 baggage cars)... http://www.eisenbahnstiftung.de.../bildergalerie/42593.jpg
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Goofy		#26 Posted : 21 January 2018 14:40:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Who am I to argue? Wikipedia is wrong. Anybody can edit it. I'm not a native English speaker and therefore I'm reluctant to correct the wrong entry in the Wikipedia. Wikipedia is inform home page by acting neutral. Sometimes they cannot handle with all information and sometimes does information from other places by copy doesn´t means correct. David did present an picture of the Rheingold which you can see two bagage car. This picture could have been in the wikipedia too and write the story about the picture.
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H0		#27 Posted : 21 January 2018 17:02:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,266 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy David did present an picture of the Rheingold which you can see two bagage car. There is no doubt that the Rheingold ran with two baggage cars between 1928 and 1933/34 on the stretch south from Mannheim. But I bet it never regularly, and hardly ever, had two baggage cars north of Mannheim. Wikipedia is written by the community and sometimes incorrect information enters into it. The text in Wikipedia sounds as if two baggage cars were the standard configuration. This is not correct. In the first years this configuration was standard for part of the journey.
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Goofy		#28 Posted : 21 January 2018 17:23:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Goofy David did present an picture of the Rheingold which you can see two bagage car. There is no doubt that the Rheingold ran with two baggage cars between 1928 and 1933/34 on the stretch south from Mannheim. But I bet it never regularly, and hardly ever, had two baggage cars north of Mannheim. Wikipedia is written by the community and sometimes incorrect information enters into it. The text in Wikipedia sounds as if two baggage cars were the standard configuration. This is not correct. In the first years this configuration was standard for part of the journey. Then in case...log in wikipedia and tell to them to fix the information. Wikipedia will make sure to change the history.
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franciscohg		#29 Posted : 21 January 2018 18:46:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,270 Location: Patagonia		Nice items, but i will stick to M rheingolds.....perhaps the vt137 and surely those nice wurttemberg cars....
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David Dewar		#30 Posted : 21 January 2018 20:40:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,342 Location: Scotland		I like Brawa. Detail is good although some parts can fall off when running and need a spot of glue to keep them in place. I have found that Brawa couplers are not great but I am not sure what they are using now. Will buy some of the new items when they come into stock at Lippe.
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mbarreto		#31 Posted : 22 January 2018 19:41:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,265		Hello all, Can some of you please tell me how many coaches like the Sleeperette WL K.W.St.E. Brawa HO 45611 and 45612 a train usually had? Also between what years do you think they were used? Maybe around 1900 or also until later, like for example 1918 or so? (I have no idea...) Do you think they can be mixed in a train with Brawa 2400/2401 coaches? What do you think about the locomotives to pull them? Class C, T5, T18? Probably they are all too modern for such train... Thanks and regards. Miguel
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Minok		#32 Posted : 22 January 2018 21:05:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,311 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Goofy David did present an picture of the Rheingold which you can see two bagage car. There is no doubt that the Rheingold ran with two baggage cars between 1928 and 1933/34 on the stretch south from Mannheim. But I bet it never regularly, and hardly ever, had two baggage cars north of Mannheim. Wikipedia is written by the community and sometimes incorrect information enters into it. The text in Wikipedia sounds as if two baggage cars were the standard configuration. This is not correct. In the first years this configuration was standard for part of the journey. Then in case...log in wikipedia and tell to them to fix the information. Wikipedia will make sure to change the history. Indeed. Wikipedia pages are not written by folks who did a PhD write-up in the subject typically, so the folks who add/edit/write the articles don't know everything. If you know something specific, edit the article and clarify that for the leg north of Mannheim they had one baggage car, with a 2nd baggage car being added in Mannheim for the trip south. Complaining about Wikipedia articles being wrong but not making the edit to improve them is rather lame.
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franciscohg		#33 Posted : 22 January 2018 21:12:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,270 Location: Patagonia		Originally Posted by: mbarreto Hello all, Can some of you please tell me how many coaches like the Sleeperette WL K.W.St.E. Brawa HO 45611 and 45612 a train usually had? Also between what years do you think they were used? Maybe around 1900 or also until later, like for example 1918 or so? (I have no idea...) Do you think they can be mixed in a train with Brawa 2400/2401 coaches? What do you think about the locomotives to pull them? Class C, T5, T18? Probably they are all too modern for such train... Thanks and regards. Miguel Ohhh, but the king of Württemberg may borrow a DXII from his bavarian neighbor....
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Bigdaddynz		#34 Posted : 22 January 2018 22:05:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Goofy David did present an picture of the Rheingold which you can see two bagage car. There is no doubt that the Rheingold ran with two baggage cars between 1928 and 1933/34 on the stretch south from Mannheim. But I bet it never regularly, and hardly ever, had two baggage cars north of Mannheim. Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: H0 http://www.eisenbahnstiftung.de You missed the photo with 7 coaches (and 2 baggage cars)... http://www.eisenbahnstiftung.de.../bildergalerie/42593.jpg This picture was taken at a town called Namedy, which as best as I can tell is close by Bonn, and definitely north of Mannheim.
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H0		#35 Posted : 22 January 2018 22:29:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,266 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz This picture was taken at a town called Namedy, which as best as I can tell is close by Bonn, and definitely north of Mannheim. Thanks. Namedy is far from Bonn, but definitely north of Mannheim. I think there are six coaches and two baggage cars. Almost nothing is impossible with German railways. Too bad the second baggage car is mostly invisible. Maybe they needed more storage capacity for luggage as the train had six coaches. Rheingold at Namedy with one baggage car: Originally Posted by: Minok Complaining about Wikipedia articles being wrong but not making the edit to improve them is rather lame. I ain't complaining. I prefer to let native English speakers make the changes. I don't even know the proper English term for "Schutzwagen". Edited by moderator 26 January 2018 05:15:30(UTC)  | Reason: Added image tags
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franciscohg		#36 Posted : 24 January 2018 19:47:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,270 Location: Patagonia		hello, i received today a mail from MSL, there is a nice offer for the complete Rheingold set plus an extra bagagge car for free....take a look regards
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Bigdaddynz		#37 Posted : 24 January 2018 21:21:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: franciscohg hello, i received today a mail from MSL, there is a nice offer for the complete Rheingold set plus an extra bagagge car for free....take a look regards https://www.modellbahnsh...-0/produktsuchewort.html Cost is 960.42 euro.
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franciscohg		#38 Posted : 24 January 2018 21:41:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,270 Location: Patagonia		you already deducted the VAT?
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Bigdaddynz		#39 Posted : 24 January 2018 21:44:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		That was the price shown when I went to the MSL site, I don't know if it included or excluded VAT (will have to check whether my browser autologged me in to their site)
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Bigdaddynz		#40 Posted : 24 January 2018 21:47:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz ....(will have to check whether my browser autologged me in to their site) No it didn't. So that is the MSL discounted price (but may not include VAT - 'net export Price')
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Bigdaddynz		#41 Posted : 24 January 2018 21:52:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Yes, the above does not include VAT. I tried with another browser (IE11) that wouldn't be caching any details, and got the VAT inclusive price.
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franciscohg		#42 Posted : 24 January 2018 21:53:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,270 Location: Patagonia		interesting, for me it shoes 1142 euro..... didnt see the last post.......
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Minok		#43 Posted : 24 January 2018 22:21:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,311 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Goofy David did present an picture of the Rheingold which you can see two bagage car. There is no doubt that the Rheingold ran with two baggage cars between 1928 and 1933/34 on the stretch south from Mannheim. But I bet it never regularly, and hardly ever, had two baggage cars north of Mannheim. Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: H0 http://www.eisenbahnstiftung.de You missed the photo with 7 coaches (and 2 baggage cars)... http://www.eisenbahnstiftung.de.../bildergalerie/42593.jpg This picture was taken at a town called Namedy, which as best as I can tell is close by Bonn, and definitely north of Mannheim. My best guess is that is this location : https://goo.gl/maps/KCEbLfo8r7v
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Purellum		#44 Posted : 24 January 2018 22:24:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Detmold is also north of Mannheim; and there they think a Rheingold train should have 4 coaches and 2 baggage cars. Per.
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Bigdaddynz		#45 Posted : 24 January 2018 23:25:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Minok My best guess is that is this location : https://goo.gl/maps/KCEbLfo8r7v Yep, that's the same location I was looking at. I said it was close to Bonn because I could see Bonn in the upper left hand of the map I was looking at, whereas I had to move the map to find Mannheim. 50 - 60kms as the crow files qualifies as close in my book!
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Bigdaddynz		#46 Posted : 26 January 2018 05:16:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Note that the photo of the Rheingold shown on Märklin TV episode 88 (2:38) is also at Namedy - same image as Tom shows above in #35.
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mbarreto		#47 Posted : 26 January 2018 17:49:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,265		I am almost sure M will issue a BR01 Ep II same style as Brawa because of competition reasons, and probably it is the right thing to do. About the Brawa coaches it is different. Probably they will look really good, will have maximum detail and some detials will be fragile. Also used Brawa 3 rails is harder to sell than used Märklin, so if one buys them is better not think in sell them.
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Goofy		#48 Posted : 28 January 2018 10:31:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: mbarreto About the Brawa coaches it is different. Probably they will look really good, will have maximum detail and some detials will be fragile. Also used Brawa 3 rails is harder to sell than used Märklin, so if one buys them is better not think in sell them. Brawa are easy to sell 3 rail like 2 rail. People who use 3 rail buys Brawa trains too. So there is no hard to sell Brawa 3 rail trains.
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franciscohg		#49 Posted : 28 January 2018 14:58:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,270 Location: Patagonia		i would say that is exactly the contrary, usually for me it has been very difficult to find Brawa locos and coaches when i didnt bought them just released......
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mbarreto		#50 Posted : 28 January 2018 15:47:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,265		I hope you are right as I have several Brawa locomotives that I bought some years ago. Currently I am not buying more and I am thinking in selling E73 43065. Didn't try it yet in ebay because I fear it goes for very low price. I also have several Brawa coaches and wagons, but those are 2 rails. I like them but some have very fragile separately applied details... Nevertheless the look is usually stunning.
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