 Joined: 07/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 730 Location: England, Suffolk
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Good morning everyone, as you know they have stolen my collection but I want to get going again without wasting time in buying vintage models and converting them to digital.
So if I want to buy them today which are the good, and I believe also improved versions, of the following:
3077 Zeppelin train
3352
3047
Thank you
Marco
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 Joined: 29/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: DONEGAL, CARNDONAGH
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Hi Marco , Sorry to hear your collection was stolen. It happened to me on 2 occasions when I lived in Vancouver.First time I was underinsured on their value and could not get insurance when I replaced the collection. Not a happy time for me. Eddie
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 Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,594 Location: Australia
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The modern version of the Zeppelin is the 37777. Has mFx and a nice wooden four blade prop and sound.. Unfortunately, they were last made in 2010. So I don't know how easy it will be to find one these days.. |
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 Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443
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My suggestions: 3077 look for 3477 or 37777. 3352 look for 37565-1,sold from a duo pack together with a green version. 3047 look for 3108 or 37889,or 37884,also the BR44 from startset 29440,the 3108 was a 125 year celebration version in a silver box. General comment: It will not be easy to find one to one replacements for the old analogue models. Marklin issued many different versions for each modeltype over the years. The BR44 Jumbo was issued with different types of eliphant ears,or even without ears. When buying,check if the model has sound,if that is what you want. Note that socalled Delta models can be run digital without conversion,i think most 33 and 34 modelseries can. http://up.picr.de/3929141.jpg |
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Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,480 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot
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Originally Posted by: xxup  The modern version of the Zeppelin is the 37777. Has mFx and a nice wooden four blade prop and sound.. Unfortunately, they were last made in 2010. So I don't know how easy it will be to find one these days.. The other one is the 3477, which has a Delta decoder, IIRC made for 140 years of Marklin. Somewhat older than the 37777, but would give you another option to look for.
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Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,480 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 My suggestions: 3077 look for 3477 or 37777. 3352 look for 37565-1,sold from a duo pack together with a green version. 3047 look for 3108 or 37889,or 37884,also the BR44 from startset 29440,the 3108 was a 125 year celebration version in a silver box. General comment: It will not be easy to find one to one replacements for the old analogue models. Marklin issued many different versions for each modeltype over the years. The BR44 Jumbo was issued with different types of eliphant ears,or even without ears. When buying,check if the model has sound,if that is what you want. Note that socalled Delta models can be run digital without conversion,i think most 33 and 34 modelseries can. http://up.picr.de/3929141.jpg For the 3352 look for any of the 3756x or 3956x models with both green and brown versions, being aware that there are some specials such as 37564 (blue) and a black (can't remember number) and a snow covered (39569?) one. I believe all the 3756x and 3956x models are mfx, with some of the more recent ones possibly mfx+.
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Joined: 07/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 730 Location: England, Suffolk
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Thank you very much everyone. I know that vintage locos are 'unique' and the lot, but after what happened to me I do not want to invest time and money oin something that needs retrofittig in order to run on a digital layout. This is why I would like, where possible, to buy newer models of the vintage ones that are already digital. On Delta I have had doubts for some time so if I can steer away from it it would be better  Thank you Marco
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 Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe
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Originally Posted by: ocram63_uk Thank you very much everyone. I know that vintage locos are 'unique' and the lot, but after what happened to me I do not want to invest time and money oin something that needs retrofittig in order to run on a digital layout. This is why I would like, where possible, to buy newer models of the vintage ones that are already digital. On Delta I have had doubts for some time so if I can steer away from it it would be better Thank you Marco Hi Marco, I totally agree with you. It's a lot less work to find a newer digital version of the old classics than to find one in good condition and then convert it. Unfortunately some of the older models are not available in newer digital form. Delta models will run in digital mode, though the performance will not be as pleasing. You may find you have to put up with a delta model if you particularly want that model. One advantage of buying the latest models is that the standard of detail and accuracy will be far higher. The performance will also be smoother and quieter. The only negative factor is that the models will not be as robust as their "toy train" ancestors. |
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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 Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Crozet, Virginia
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Here is a new in the box Märklin #37777 from a specialty collector who I have bought from in the past and who I can highly recommend. http://www.modellbahn.com/37777.htmlShipping might be excessive to England but his models are like time machines where you can go back to the past and catch up on what you missed the first time round. |
Regards,
Jim
I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time. |
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Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas
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Marco,
Sorry to hear that your collection was stolen. What a terrible thing to have to live through!
As for the Zeppelin, my humble advice is that you wait it out if you can until the new Märklin management decide to do some long-deserved justice to the current model (despite more recent reissues). They are still manufacturing the Zeppelin with a 4-axled chassis (while the prototype only ran on 2 axles) and with a cheap-looking plastic body.
Good luck with your future purchases! |
Best regards,
Armando García
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Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Crozet, Virginia
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Originally Posted by: Armando They are still manufacturing the Zeppelin with a 4-axled chassis (while the prototype only ran on 2 axles) and with a cheap-looking plastic body. Yeah - those details seem odd to me too. It is like the ICE trains that Märklin has offered recently, with only one power unit with a motor and cheap looking plastic bodies. They are both special prototypes which you would think would deserve super detailed models. I think that a high quality version of either of them would make a great Insider model. |
Regards,
Jim
I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time. |
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Originally Posted by: Armando Marco,
Sorry to hear that your collection was stolen. What a terrible thing to have to live through!
As for the Zeppelin, my humble advice is that you wait it out if you can until the new Märklin management decide to do some long-deserved justice to the current model (despite more recent reissues). They are still manufacturing the Zeppelin with a 4-axled chassis (while the prototype only ran on 2 axles) and with a cheap-looking plastic body.
Good luck with your future purchases! I don't think post mortem purchases are possible with Marklin.... We could wait 20 years until they decide to do something new in that area...
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Joined: 07/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 730 Location: England, Suffolk
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good morning every one. getting back to the orginal question, I have been looking around at various crocodile versions, to replace the 3352. It appears that there are few versions around. 30159 is a remake of the glorious 3015 so with central motor and distribution on all 6 axes; 39561 has 3 motor axes and is digital; Is this correct? If it is then I would like to get a 39561, one day Marco
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Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,480 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot
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Originally Posted by: ocram63_uk good morning every one. getting back to the orginal question, I have been looking around at various crocodile versions, to replace the 3352. It appears that there are few versions around. 30159 is a remake of the glorious 3015 so with central motor and distribution on all 6 axes; 39561 has 3 motor axes and is digital; Is this correct? If it is then I would like to get a 39561, one day Marco Correct in both cases. There is a digital version of the 30159 (catalogue number 36159) but it is very rare, and my understanding is that the decoder is a 6080 type, so very basic. The 39561 is a C-Sine motor, and is a green version, the 39562 is the same mechanism but brown body. If someone has split a start set that came out at the same time as these two then you may be able to pick up the crocodile from a 29680 which is the same as the 39561 with a different road number. Here is a picture of the start set in its box ... 
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 Joined: 22/08/2017(UTC) Posts: 73 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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If you want Metal Body Crocodile and digital, then I would go for Marklin 31100 which is a dual pack with a Swedish Locomotive. I was lucky to get one from Greece at a reasonable price but what is currently listed for sale on eBay is in my opinion, overpriced. Still think 3015 although Analog, is one of my very favorites.
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Joined: 21/05/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,768 Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I would say Marklin doesn't have a modern BR44, since even the latest ones from 2013/2014 are the same DCM motor design of the late 90's.
Not a problem if you don't mind the missing cab and noisier motor of course, or you could buy the Roco. |
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Joined: 20/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 225 Location: devon
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dont know if this will help
special auction services
november 16th
lot 525
i am not connected to the auction
alan plymouth
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Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,480 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot
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Originally Posted by: Kapalua If you want Metal Body Crocodile and digital, then I would go for Marklin 31100 which is a dual pack with a Swedish Locomotive. I was lucky to get one from Greece at a reasonable price but what is currently listed for sale on eBay is in my opinion, overpriced. Still think 3015 although Analog, is one of my very favorites. various retailers in germany are still listing the 31100 as available. e.g. Joes ModellbahnLokshop.I'm sure I have seen it elsewhere as well.
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Joined: 22/08/2017(UTC) Posts: 73 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: Kapalua If you want Metal Body Crocodile and digital, then I would go for Marklin 31100 which is a dual pack with a Swedish Locomotive. I was lucky to get one from Greece at a reasonable price but what is currently listed for sale on eBay is in my opinion, overpriced. Still think 3015 although Analog, is one of my very favorites. various retailers in germany are still listing the 31100 as available. e.g. Joes ModellbahnLokshop.I'm sure I have seen it elsewhere as well. and the price of EUR659 is not bad at all, they will only get more expensive NIB. I would grab one for that price if hadn't already bought one in August for a little less.
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Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Crozet, Virginia
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Originally Posted by: Kapalua
and the price of EUR659 is not bad at all, they will only get more expensive NIB. I would grab one for that price if hadn't already bought one in August for a little less.
The shipping costs might be high, but AJCKids in Texas has that set for 610€. http://www.ajckids.com/t...r=Marklin&item=31100 |
Regards,
Jim
I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time. |
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Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Crozet, Virginia
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Originally Posted by: ocram63_uk good morning every one.
getting back to the orginal question, I have been looking around at various crocodile versions, to replace the 3352.
It appears that there are few versions around.
Marco Hi Marco, Have you considered the 37565 double set of crocodiles from 2014? I have that set and I can highly recommend them. They definitely are not inexpensive but they are beautiful models with some excellent features. They have nicely detailed metal bodies, a substantial weight to them, excellent sounds and each power unit in both locos has its own can motor driving all three axles. I often run them together in a multi unit consist, giving me 12 driven axles powered by four motors, which yields absolutely amazing pulling power. As a test last year I assembled a ridiculous number for freight wagons (I forget the exact number) into one train and they pulled them like they were running alone without a train behind them at all.  |
Regards,
Jim
I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time. |
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 Joined: 23/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,550 Location: Finland
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: ocram63_uk good morning every one. getting back to the orginal question, I have been looking around at various crocodile versions, to replace the 3352. It appears that there are few versions around. 30159 is a remake of the glorious 3015 so with central motor and distribution on all 6 axes; 39561 has 3 motor axes and is digital; Is this correct? If it is then I would like to get a 39561, one day Marco Correct in both cases. There is a digital version of the 30159 (catalogue number 36159) but it is very rare, and my understanding is that the decoder is a 6080 type, so very basic. The 39561 is a C-Sine motor, and is a green version, the 39562 is the same mechanism but brown body. If someone has split a start set that came out at the same time as these two then you may be able to pick up the crocodile from a 29680 which is the same as the 39561 with a different road number. Here is a picture of the start set in its box ... Hi, Some extra information here. Actually 39560 is the green version with original C-Sinus motor. 39561 is the brown version with the original C-Sinus motor. 39562 is the brown version with SDS (Soft Drive Sinus) motor and mfx decoder. 39563 is the green version with SDS motor and mfx decoder. Green Crocodile from 29680 set is almost like 39563 (SDS and mfx decoder), but it has a different road number and different color head lights. 39563 has white head lights and 29680 has yellow head lights. Regards, Janne |
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner. |
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Joined: 07/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 730 Location: England, Suffolk
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Good morning everyone,
I have at last come back to read the new addition to this post. I thank you all very much and I apreciate Janne75's last input.
Unfortunately my plans to buy something new from Marklin this year have gone AWOL and I now have to wait for 2018. So I keep my fingers crossed for next year.
But I have a lot of info now so that I can look at the rigth moment.
Thank you
Marco
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Joined: 07/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 730 Location: England, Suffolk
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Even though I pass most of my time flying around Europe it doesn't mean I have no time to think about trains. No, I'm not a pilot but by now I think I could get a license as well.
Getting back to this old post I have decided to replace my stolen 3047 with a 37880 and I bought it on ebay, this one also has the smoke thingy installed.
Am now waiting for the delivery !!!!
Before buying it I've exchanged views on this model with my usual Marklin supplier and he confirms that this is an excellent loco.
Unfortunately I can't bid on my 'stolen' one as the seller has banned me from all his auctions :-(
Happy Easter everyone
Marco
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Marco:
Unfortunately I can't bid on my 'stolen' one as the seller has banned me from all his auctions :-(
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Joined: 07/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 730 Location: England, Suffolk
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Hi River,
I can't bid nor use the 'buy it now' on any of his items. A message pops up saying that 'The seller isn't accepting bids or offers from you'
How strange is this? I've had friends bid for me even though they haven't secured the item I was interested in.
HTH
Marco
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