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Offline Thewolf  
#1 Posted : 22 August 2017 21:43:46(UTC)
Thewolf

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Hi everyoneCool

Tomorrow I am going to receive my marklin 3000. As you knwow this an analog loco.

As I said it on another comment, I am curious to see the results of the " cleaning ''of rails

But ...but.. really I don't know : can an analog locomotive run on a digital layout with a CS2 ?

Does the CS recongnize the Marklin 3000 ?

Thewolf
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Offline baggio  
#2 Posted : 22 August 2017 23:50:39(UTC)
baggio

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" Does the CS recognize the Marklin 3000?"

Nope.

What you do is you put the analogue loco on the layout WITHOUT THE POWER GOING TO THE TRACK.

You then give it power and watch the loco run like a chicken without a head. The speed is NOT very high, however (for my standards).

You have NO control over what the loco does, other than shutting off the power to make it stop. But it it is nice to see it go around. You can attach a few wagons as you would normally.

I would suggest you remove all digital locos from the layout before you do this; just in case the decoders could be affected, which I doubt.
Offline Thewolf  
#3 Posted : 23 August 2017 00:59:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
" Does the CS recognize the Marklin 3000?"

Nope.

What you do is you put the analogue loco on the layout WITHOUT THE POWER GOING TO THE TRACK.

You then give it power and watch the loco run like a chicken without a head. The speed is NOT very high, however (for my standards).

You have NO control over what the loco does, other than shutting off the power to make it stop. But it it is nice to see it go around. You can attach a few wagons as you would normally.

I would suggest you remove all digital locos from the layout before you do this; just in case the decoders could be affected, which I doubt.


Thanks Baggio

So I don't like the fact that I will use the cs2 with this loco

I prefer buy a used mobile station like 60653...I will use this and disconnect the CS2

I don't know if it is the best solution...but for cleaning the rails...I am a little ....sceptical....It is a fact that I believe what River 69 has wrote about the cleaning...but I am like.....ST Thomas ...I believe what I see

Thewolf

Project Estrie Rail Road-CS3-Track C- Itrain-Digital
Offline thomasm  
#4 Posted : 23 August 2017 14:08:27(UTC)
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You will have the same issue when you use mobilestation as well. The train will run, but you dont have any control over it. If you want to control the loco, you need to use a regular transformer like 66470 or equal.

.thomas
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Offline Rwill  
#5 Posted : 23 August 2017 14:31:48(UTC)
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I am puzzled that the whole notion of track cleaning is to do with the magic qualities of an old analogue loco such as 3000. My Marklin experience is based on two distinct periods of my life from early digital of 30 years ago loks such as 3618 through to recent purchases. Although my latest acquisitions are lovely detailed models they are often very light, flimsier sliders with decoder and delicate electronics which appear to require a near perfect running surface. So if I have been away from the layout a while and we need a good track clean I reach for the heaviest early lok I can find - 3618 is fine and run it through at a good speed for quite a time. At first it may require a little push over the dirtier bits but soon it is running fine. After this I clean the wheels and slider - far quicker and easier than poring over the whole track.
Offline baggio  
#6 Posted : 23 August 2017 14:37:52(UTC)
baggio

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Originally Posted by: Rwill Go to Quoted Post
... So if I have been away from the layout a while and we need a good track clean I reach for the heaviest early lok I can find - 3618 is fine and run it through at a good speed for quite a time. At first it may require a little push over the dirtier bits but soon it is running fine. After this I clean the wheels and slider - far quicker and easier than poring over the whole track.


So that I am clear, do you confirm that cleaning tracks via ANY HEAVY ANALOGUE loco is a very good way to to do so? Do you disconnect anything?

Do you also use track cleaning cars?

Thanks.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#7 Posted : 23 August 2017 14:46:34(UTC)
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An analog transformer controls the speed of an analog loco by varying the voltage supplied to the track - the higher the voltage, the faster the loco goes.

A digital controller (CS1, CS2, CS3 , MS1, MS2, Ecos ) puts a constant AC voltage to the track (usually around 18v). That's why an analog loco placed on track controlled by a digital controller will take off at maximum or close to maximum speed.
Offline Thewolf  
#8 Posted : 23 August 2017 14:50:31(UTC)
Thewolf

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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Rwill Go to Quoted Post
... So if I have been away from the layout a while and we need a good track clean I reach for the heaviest early lok I can find - 3618 is fine and run it through at a good speed for quite a time. At first it may require a little push over the dirtier bits but soon it is running fine. After this I clean the wheels and slider - far quicker and easier than poring over the whole track.


So that I am clear, do you confirm that cleaning tracks via ANY HEAVY ANALOGUE loco is a very good way to to do so? Do you disconnect anything?

Do you also use track cleaning cars?

Thanks.


Well ....you were faster than me

But I have another question... this is about the Marklin controller with the digital layout ? a digital controller or an analog ? I am lost in the logic and the reflection

I think that maybe there is a relation between the digital console, the digital layout and the analog loco for the cleaning of rails. I am not a specialist...only a retired accountant

Thewolf


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Offline Thewolf  
#9 Posted : 23 August 2017 14:57:56(UTC)
Thewolf

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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
An analog transformer controls the speed of an analog loco by varying the voltage supplied to the track - the higher the voltage, the faster the loco goes.

A digital controller (CS1, CS2, CS3 , MS1, MS2, Ecos ) puts a constant AC voltage to the track (usually around 18v). That's why an analog loco placed on track controlled by a digital controller will take off at maximum or close to maximum speed.


Thanks Bigdaddynz

I understant..but ..but the question : ''Are rails cleaned by this process?'' has no clear and satisfactory answer.

I know...I am fastidious

This is the reason why i am going to do the experience and too bad if I shall have thrown 100 $ through the window

Thewolf
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Offline baggio  
#10 Posted : 23 August 2017 15:36:18(UTC)
baggio

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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
This is the reason why i am going to do the experience and too bad if I shall have thrown 100 $ through the window


Are you buying a 3000 - analogue and used OR a 30000 - new and digital?
Offline Rwill  
#11 Posted : 23 August 2017 15:37:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Rwill Go to Quoted Post
... So if I have been away from the layout a while and we need a good track clean I reach for the heaviest early lok I can find - 3618 is fine and run it through at a good speed for quite a time. At first it may require a little push over the dirtier bits but soon it is running fine. After this I clean the wheels and slider - far quicker and easier than poring over the whole track.


So that I am clear, do you confirm that cleaning tracks via ANY HEAVY ANALOGUE loco is a very good way to to do so? Do you disconnect anything?

Do you also use track cleaning cars?

Thanks.



No No No I am saying I use early DIGITAL loks for track cleaning I don't own a single analog lok. When I started you could buy a Br18 in analogue as 3308, if you wanted the five pole motor version in analogue you went for a 3518 or if you wanted digital control you bought a 3618 which was a 3308 digitalised with a 6080 decoder - very crude a bit rough fx cos there wasn't anything else, switches for the address and one function lights on or off. But nicely heavy, the motor that had powered every Marklin lok for years and ruggedness. Now today it still works on my all digital layout and has the added quality of its track cleaning ability without modifying anything. I have never used track cleaning cars but I do own a good old fashioned track cleaning rubber from Peco.

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Offline baggio  
#12 Posted : 23 August 2017 15:50:54(UTC)
baggio

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Thank you, Rwill. BigGrin

This whole idea of using an ANALOGUE loco as originally suggested by John has me a bit confused as well, but seems to work. ThumpUp

I did use John's suggestion, the locos ran very nicely after that cleaning (but I still wonder if this was a psychological effect),
BUT the tracks were still pretty dirty when I tested them.

Bottom line, I think, is: The tracks will ALWAYS BE DIRTY, the question is, HOW DIRTY?

If there are locos that have problems on a certain portion of a layout, then THAT PORTION needs to be cleaned right away, otherwise, there is no need to clean the tracks (assuming the locos themselves run fine on the rest of the layout).

Track cleaning via a track cleaning car or combined with an ANALOGUE loco (as per John) or a heavy DIGITAL loco (as per Rwill) should be done at regular intervals - say once a month. But cleaning the tracks MANUALLY, seems unnecessary.

Am I LAZY, or does this make sense?
Offline Thewolf  
#13 Posted : 23 August 2017 16:14:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
This is the reason why i am going to do the experience and too bad if I shall have thrown 100 $ through the window


Are you buying a 3000 - analogue and used OR a 30000 - new and digital?


I am going to receive an used 3000 marklin ...from Europe...85 $ canadians included shipping

I think that the loco will stau in the box...or better resell the loco.....the more I think, the more I do not believe in the cleaning

Thewolf
Project Estrie Rail Road-CS3-Track C- Itrain-Digital
Offline baggio  
#14 Posted : 23 August 2017 16:19:29(UTC)
baggio

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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
I think that the loco will stau in the box...orbetter resell the loco.....the more I think, the more I do not believe in the cleaning


Why keep it in the box?
Offline Thewolf  
#15 Posted : 23 August 2017 16:21:02(UTC)
Thewolf

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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Thank you, Rwill. BigGrin

This whole idea of using an ANALOGUE loco as originally suggested by John has me a bit confused as well, but seems to work. ThumpUp

I did use John's suggestion, the locos ran very nicely after that cleaning (but I still wonder if this was a psychological effect),
BUT the tracks were still pretty dirty when I tested them.

Bottom line, I think, is: The tracks will ALWAYS BE DIRTY, the question is, HOW DIRTY?

If there are locos that have problems on a certain portion of a layout, then THAT PORTION needs to be cleaned right away, otherwise, there is no need to clean the tracks (assuming the locos themselves run fine on the rest of the layout).

Track cleaning via a track cleaning car or combined with an ANALOGUE loco (as per John) or a heavy DIGITAL loco (as per Rwill) should be done at regular intervals - say once a month. But cleaning the tracks MANUALLY, seems unnecessary.

Am I LAZY, or does this make sense?


I come at the moment to think of this:

Maybe after the passage of the analog loco, a Q-tips with the rubbing alcohol and to see the result, no ?

Thewolf

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Offline Thewolf  
#16 Posted : 23 August 2017 16:23:58(UTC)
Thewolf

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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
I think that the loco will stau in the box...orbetter resell the loco.....the more I think, the more I do not believe in the cleaning


Why keep it in the box?


For one year...all the layout...in the boxes for moving
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Offline baggio  
#17 Posted : 23 August 2017 16:25:54(UTC)
baggio

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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
Maybe after the passage of the analog loco, a Q-tips with the rubbing alcohol and to see the result, no ?


Yes, that would be the best way, BUT, it's TOO MUCH WORK, especially considering that some portions of my layout are not all that easily accessible.

And mine is a relatively small layout; with a large layout (like yours), it would take forever!

LAZY in Toronto. BigGrin ThumpUp
Offline Thewolf  
#18 Posted : 23 August 2017 20:39:46(UTC)
Thewolf

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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
Maybe after the passage of the analog loco, a Q-tips with the rubbing alcohol and to see the result, no ?


Yes, that would be the best way, BUT, it's TOO MUCH WORK, especially considering that some portions of my layout are not all that easily accessible.

And mine is a relatively small layout; with a large layout (like yours), it would take forever!

LAZY in Toronto. BigGrin ThumpUp




In the new house, the next year. the layout will twice more be big .. so everything is fine

Thewolf
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Offline Irish Rail  
#19 Posted : 23 August 2017 20:56:59(UTC)
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I have a 3000 but find it a little light for track cleaning. Instead, I am using a 3003 (circa 1970). It's heavier and does the job. These are tracks that haven't been used for about 30 years and I have no desire to clean each one by hand. Running the 3003 round and round (and round) does the trick! It needs a bit of a nudge on the dirtiest sections at the beginning, but soon picks up speed.
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Offline Thewolf  
#20 Posted : 23 August 2017 23:08:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Irish Rail Go to Quoted Post
I have a 3000 but find it a little light for track cleaning. Instead, I am using a 3003 (circa 1970). It's heavier and does the job. These are tracks that haven't been used for about 30 years and I have no desire to clean each one by hand. Running the 3003 round and round (and round) does the trick! It needs a bit of a nudge on the dirtiest sections at the beginning, but soon picks up speed.


I am going to install an oval with 2 ways and 2 turnout ....to connect the cs and shall make an essay

The result will be : or I continue with the analog loco or ...elbow grease

Thewolf

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