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Offline David Dewar  
#1 Posted : 26 December 2016 20:49:00(UTC)
David Dewar

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Got the 42152 Swiss two coach set. Trying to fit lighting (done dozens of times) Using slider 73406. For some reason this causes a short. Tested slider etc on track but not on coach and light bar and all works. Coach is fine on layout without slider in place.
I can only think slider might be touching the wheel set but cant see how. Tried with another slider 73406 and just the same.
ON fitting the larger size slider it appears to be OK but of course is too close to coupling socket.

Have fitted all sorts of coaches with lighting I have no idea what is going wrong and would be grateful for any help.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline Al65  
#2 Posted : 28 December 2016 14:33:18(UTC)
Al65

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Hello David,

I had a similar problem with the 41322 set that I had bought new from factory. During the first trial, the asymmetrical slider on this set was making a very loud rattling noise and causing shorts when passing on slim turnouts. I tried to replace it (even if it was brand new), but with no success.

In my case, I did notice that the fitting of the slider to the coach is not tight enough. The slider slightly rotates in the fitting when the coach is moving and this is enough to cause shorts on turnouts (and also the rattling noise). I don't know if this is a specific problem to my set or just poor design tolerances by Marklin.

The workaround I used was to place two small blocks of heavy insulation foam on either side of the slider and lock the slider laterally with a small piece of wood inserted between the sides of the slider and the bogie, which I glued on top of the block (see the picture - you can still see the marks left by the studs on the slider from the initial test, they are clearly not parallel to the side of it).

It did solve my problem and the noise is back to normal. Not very satisfactory for a brand new set, but I did not want to send it back to the seller.

I hope this helps you.

Alain

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Offline David Dewar  
#3 Posted : 28 December 2016 15:38:57(UTC)
David Dewar

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Alain.Many thanks for your reply. I do think that the problem I have is exactly as you describe. I will try to sort it as you say or tighten the slider to ensure it does not move. This is the first time I have noticed this on a coach and it would be interesting to learn if any others have found the same problem.

Many thanks again for excellent information.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline vitor  
#4 Posted : 28 December 2016 23:11:29(UTC)
vitor

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Originally Posted by: David Dewar Go to Quoted Post
Alain.Many thanks for your reply. I do think that the problem I have is exactly as you describe. I will try to sort it as you say or tighten the slider to ensure it does not move. This is the first time I have noticed this on a coach and it would be interesting to learn if any others have found the same problem.

Many thanks again for excellent information.


Hi, this is my first post and I am not sure that I am doing it right. Anyway, I have a problem that seems electrically-related so maybe you can help. I have just bought a second-hand digital diesel engine that works fine on one track but does not on another. I have a module set-up with two lines running parallel to each other and both connected to the same mobile control. All my other engines work well in both lines but not this one. Can anyone help? Thanks.
Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 29 December 2016 00:42:43(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: vitor Go to Quoted Post
Hi, this is my first post and I am not sure that I am doing it right. Anyway, I have a problem that seems electrically-related so maybe you can help.
I don't think your problem is related. Instead of derailing an unrelated thread you should have started a new thread.
My bet: You have a loco with a 36xx number and you swapped red and brown on the connection for the track where the loco does not work. Red goes to B and brown goes to 0. If that does not solve the issue then please do not reply here and start a new thread instead with detailed information about the loco.

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Tom
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Offline mike c  
#6 Posted : 29 December 2016 07:52:36(UTC)
mike c

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Originally Posted by: David Dewar Go to Quoted Post
Got the 42152 Swiss two coach set. Trying to fit lighting (done dozens of times) Using slider 73406. For some reason this causes a short. Tested slider etc on track but not on coach and light bar and all works. Coach is fine on layout without slider in place.
I can only think slider might be touching the wheel set but cant see how. Tried with another slider 73406 and just the same.
ON fitting the larger size slider it appears to be OK but of course is too close to coupling socket.

Have fitted all sorts of coaches with lighting I have no idea what is going wrong and would be grateful for any help.


There are several sliders designed for different coaches, some are centre mounted, others are slightly skewed to one side to suit the model.
I am not certain at this moment exactly which one is appropriate for the model in question.
I will my most recent EWIV from the 42164 set to see which one is recommended for this model.
If using the incorrect one, it is possible and even very likely that the slider arms will contact the axles leading to a short.

Also, if you are using the new LED lighting, you have to make sure to run the contacts from the ground contact and slider to the appropriate socket in the LED panel. If you connect to the LED board using the wrong socket, this can cause a short.

I also wanted to inquire as to whether you are using center rail and axle pickups on the same bogie or on alternating bogies?

Regards

Mike C
Offline David Dewar  
#7 Posted : 29 December 2016 15:04:18(UTC)
David Dewar

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Hi Mike. Using different bogies. Have tried all the Marklin sliders. Connection to LEDs are fine and I have done dozens of these. As Alain said above the fitting on the coach is just not right but I will sort that. Nice coaches and I see they are not now available in the form of the set I purchased.
First time I have seen that the socket on the coach for the slider is just not quite right. Maybe I was unlucky but it does appear to have happened to Alain as well.
Bought the 37462 loco at the same time which is very nice and runs well as is usual with all my Marklin locos.
Thanks Mike for your reply

David
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline mike c  
#8 Posted : 29 December 2016 21:05:48(UTC)
mike c

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The 42152 set comes with two coaches. I presume that you are installing lighting in both coaches. Does each coach have a slider or are you using current conducting couplers between the two?
Have you considered the possibility of lighting these coaches using the slider already installed on the 42179 pilot coach with current conducting couplers?

I checked my 42164 coaches, but could not find any instructions in the box. I am not sure if it should be 73404 or 73405 under the current system.

The original lighting kit for the SBB (4215/4216/42161/42162/42164/42166/42167/42167/42168/42169) coaches was the 7330 kit, which included slider, axle contact and lighting kit.
You can ask your local dealer which one of the new models replaces the 7330 set. It is definitely NOT 73406. That one appears to be designed for the bogies on the new 282mm coaches.

7330: http://www.eurorailhobbi...&so=5&stock=7330
73404: http://www.ajckids.com/products/Marklin/73404
73405: http://www.ajckids.com/t...r=Marklin&item=73405

Regards

Mike C
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Offline David Dewar  
#9 Posted : 30 December 2016 13:43:47(UTC)
David Dewar

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Thanks Mike. As you say there were no instructions in the box. I have all the various sliders and tried them all with the same result.
However I see that a firm in the UK offers a lighting kit battery operated. This works when the coach starts to move and stays on for a few minutes when the coach stops. The set can also come with door lighting. I find this interesting and will order a set and give it a try.
I have forgotten the name of the firm but have it saved on my computer and when I receive the set (after the New Year holidays) I will post the results.
I like all my coaches with people and lighting.

Thanks again Mike

David
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline mike c  
#10 Posted : 01 January 2017 02:25:33(UTC)
mike c

Canada   
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Posts: 8,268
Location: Montreal, QC
The Canadian company Rapido Trains has their Eazy Peazy lighting system which works with a wand to activate or deactivate the batteries.

I like the Maerklin lighting system because it is relatively easy to open the coach with the lights connected. Other companies require you to stick the lighting strip to the roof, meaning that you can't open the coach without pulling on the wires or risking damage to them and the contacts. I had a few Roco coaches with lighting and wanted to paint over the washroom windows, but could not remove the coach body far enough to get access to the pane.

At least some of the models allow you to remove the roof and disconnect the wires, which would then allow you to work on the coach, but other models (and most models from some companies) do not have detachable roofs and this can be problematic.

For the SBB EWIV, I would simply find a 42179 or 42178 pilot coach and wire the lighting from the slider already installed.

FYI, my current SBB Push-Pull Intercity consist includes the pilot coach, the 42160 set of 3 EWIVB, one Bpm from the 29463 set, two EWIVA (the equivalent of the 42152 set) and an Apm from the 29463 set, pulled by my 37462 Re 460.
I also have the same consist made up of Roco coaches for when I am running exact scale 1:87. That train has one less first class coach, to compensate for the length. I also have a matching baggage car or first class coach with service compartment from Roco in exact scale

If you want to run the consist as an Intercity (not push-pull), you can replace the pilot coach with the panorama coach from the 43672 set. I also have the Apm coach from the 26544 Cisalpino set that I can use in this consist too.

Regards

Mike C
Offline David Dewar  
#11 Posted : 01 January 2017 12:14:34(UTC)
David Dewar

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Hi Mike. Many thanks for information. This set and loco is the only Swiss outline I have on the layout now so have noted your post and will add to the set in due course. The one advantage of the battery system would be the lack of a slider and its noise. To be fair the noise is not really noticeable with sound locos also running etc.
I just thought I would try a battery type lighting system to see how it works.
Clearly you are a Swiss expert which is useful to know.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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