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ShannonN		#1 Posted : 10 December 2016 12:05:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 492 Location: Maryborough, Qld		Hello All Just wanted to know in a prototypical situation when is the engineer required to use the bell rather than the horn? Like I'm aware at whistle markers approaching a crossing you use the Horn, but wondered if you use the bell when shunting or going through working zones etc. Cheers Shanny


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H0		#2 Posted : 10 December 2016 15:36:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,262 Location: DE-NW		Hi! You have to be more specific about where and when. In era III in Germany branchline locos were required to have a bell. At many level crossings there were "L" and "P" signs where they rang the bells and blew the whistles. Bells are gone, today only the whistles and the "P" signs are left.
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ShannonN		#3 Posted : 11 December 2016 00:36:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 492 Location: Maryborough, Qld		Originally Posted by: H0 Hi! You have to be more specific about where and when. In era III in Germany branchline locos were required to have a bell. At many level crossings there were "L" and "P" signs where they rang the bells and blew the whistles. Bells are gone, today only the whistles and the "P" signs are left. Hi Interesting information. Would this be true also of America, UK, Australia (where I live). Can you tell me what the L and P signs stood for (name) and I guess if the L signs no longer exist they were the "use the bell here indicator" In the Era III which I will be modelling all my crossings were OLC (Open Level Crossings) the proto line has been closed over 20 yrs now and all signage, track work has been removed. Pictures of the line stock and track are very rare and what I have gives no help. Just a I like to know question. Wondering (from engineer POV) would you approach an OLC any differently to a boom or flashing signal enabled crossing? With regard to speed and warning device usage back in Era III Thanks for taking the time to reply Shanny


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sjlauritsen		#4 Posted : 11 December 2016 05:58:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,081 Location: Denmark		Originally Posted by: ShannonN Interesting information. Would this be true also of America, UK, Australia (where I live). Can you tell me what the L and P signs stood for (name) and I guess if the L signs no longer exist they were the "use the bell here indicator" The L stood for "Läuten" (Ring or chime) and the P stands for "Pfeifen" (Whistle). The L and P signs were present when a railway crossing (technical "Bü", Bahnübergang) did not have any mechanical safety measures. The sign with the L is Bü 5 (Läutetafel, ring sign) in the sign and signal book of the German Railway. The sign with the P is Bü 4 (Pfeifetafel, whistle sign). You can also have sign Pf 2 with double P. Meaning: "Whistle 2 times". The idea is to blow the whistle at the sign and then once again, just before the railway crossing. As far as I know, the double P signs are mostly present in the areas of the former DR. Check out these pages: Bü 4: http://www.tf-ausbildung...ignalbuchOnline/bue4.htm Bü 5: http://www.tf-ausbildung...ignalbuchOnline/bue5.htm Pf 2: http://www.tf-ausbildung...SignalbuchOnline/pf2.htm Another detail: If you introduce a station between the sign and the railway crossing, you have to put up another P og L sign right after the station. Meaning that you will have two signs. The first P or L sign, before the station, will have to be equipped with another sign on top with two vertical lines. Meaning that "a stop is present between the railway crossing and the sign". Trains stopping at the crossing will have to blow their whistle at the second sign, and not the first one. Trains going through the station (without stopping) will have to blow their whistle at the first sign. Check the bottom of this page: http://www.tf-ausbildung...ignalbuchOnline/bue4.htm
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ShannonN		#5 Posted : 11 December 2016 08:01:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 492 Location: Maryborough, Qld		Originally Posted by: sjlauritsen Originally Posted by: ShannonN Interesting information. Would this be true also of America, UK, Australia (where I live). Can you tell me what the L and P signs stood for (name) and I guess if the L signs no longer exist they were the "use the bell here indicator" The L stood for "Läuten" (Ring or chime) and the P stands for "Pfeifen" (Whistle). The L and P signs were present when a railway crossing (technical "Bü", Bahnübergang) did not have any mechanical safety measures. The sign with the L is Bü 5 (Läutetafel, ring sign) in the sign and signal book of the German Railway. The sign with the P is Bü 4 (Pfeifetafel, whistle sign). You can also have sign Pf 2 with double P. Meaning: "Whistle 2 times". The idea is to blow the whistle at the sign and then once again, just before the railway crossing. As far as I know, the double P signs are mostly present in the areas of the former DR. Check out these pages: Bü 4: http://www.tf-ausbildung...ignalbuchOnline/bue4.htm Bü 5: http://www.tf-ausbildung...ignalbuchOnline/bue5.htm Pf 2: http://www.tf-ausbildung...SignalbuchOnline/pf2.htm Another detail: If you introduce a station between the sign and the railway crossing, you have to put up another P og L sign right after the station. Meaning that you will have two signs. The first P or L sign, before the station, will have to be equipped with another sign on top with two vertical lines. Meaning that "a stop is present between the railway crossing and the sign". Trains stopping at the crossing will have to blow their whistle at the second sign, and not the first one. Trains going through the station (without stopping) will have to blow their whistle at the first sign. Check the bottom of this page: http://www.tf-ausbildung...ignalbuchOnline/bue4.htm That is great info Soren thanks for the links I'll check them out Blessings Shanny


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