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mb300e4m		#1 Posted : 28 November 2016 18:48:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		One of my recent 2016 acquisitions was a boxed 3611. I could not find it listed in either of my 60653s so I added it to one of them using the built in database. However the only thing that happens with the loco on the track is a hissing sound and the front head lights come on. Obviously the address was not the factory default? On removing the tender cover, I could see that it had a decoder, I think, at least it had a circuit board and a speaker. The only identification I could see without dismantling the tender was a small round label with the number 18/05/38 on it. With the help of my friend Google, I came to the conclusion that the original had been replaced. Can anyone suggest how I should or could proceed from here? Keep in mind that I am new to Digital and currently at about the 0.25% knowledge level. I grew up on discrete components, wires and tubes (valves) that glow in the dark.
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DaleSchultz		#2 Posted : 28 November 2016 18:57:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		Do the sounds and lights come on all the time or only when switched by the controller? If the latter, it means you have the right address. In that case, what protocol did you tell your controller to use ? Try changing to Motorola New or DCC. If the sounds and lights do not respond, you may have to determine or set the address being used. I am not familiar with the 60653 so I don't know if it can program the decoder or do an address search.
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mb300e4m		#3 Posted : 28 November 2016 19:17:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz Do the sounds and lights come on all the time or only when switched by the controller? If the latter, it means you have the right address. In that case, what protocol did you tell your controller to use ? Try changing to Motorola New or DCC. If the sounds and lights do not respond, you may have to determine or set the address being used. I am not familiar with the 60653 so I don't know if it can program the decoder or do an address search. Thanks for the prompt response Dale. As soon as I apply power to the track by taking the 60653 off "STOP" the hissing sound starts and the head lights come on. It does not make any difference if I change to any other loco or "NO LOCO" on the 60653.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.


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eduard71		#4 Posted : 28 November 2016 19:17:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 294 Location: Santiago		Originally Posted by: mb300e4m One of my recent 2016 acquisitions was a boxed 3611. I could not find it listed in either of my 60653s so I added it to one of them using the built in database. However the only thing that happens with the loco on the track is a hissing sound and the front head lights come on. Obviously the address was not the factory default? On removing the tender cover, I could see that it had a decoder, I think, at least it had a circuit board and a speaker. The only identification I could see without dismantling the tender was a small round label with the number 18/05/38 on it. With the help of my friend Google, I came to the conclusion that the original had been replaced. Can anyone suggest how I should or could proceed from here? Keep in mind that I am new to Digital and currently at about the 0.25% knowledge level. I grew up on discrete components, wires and tubes (valves) that glow in the dark. Looking to your photo, I believe the locomotive has an ESU loksound decoder installed. What you need to do is to put the locomotive alone in the track and instead of using the database of the 60653 you need to use the "find" option. The find option is in the same menu as the database, just at the end. Your 60653 will find the correct address of the decoder. Generally the ESU loksound is a multiprotocol one, so the number assigned can be in the Motorola format or DCC, in any case it will work fine. Hope this help. Best reagards Eduardo

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mb300e4m		#5 Posted : 28 November 2016 19:21:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: eduard71 Originally Posted by: mb300e4m One of my recent 2016 acquisitions was a boxed 3611. I could not find it listed in either of my 60653s so I added it to one of them using the built in database. However the only thing that happens with the loco on the track is a hissing sound and the front head lights come on. Obviously the address was not the factory default? On removing the tender cover, I could see that it had a decoder, I think, at least it had a circuit board and a speaker. The only identification I could see without dismantling the tender was a small round label with the number 18/05/38 on it. With the help of my friend Google, I came to the conclusion that the original had been replaced. Can anyone suggest how I should or could proceed from here? Keep in mind that I am new to Digital and currently at about the 0.25% knowledge level. I grew up on discrete components, wires and tubes (valves) that glow in the dark. Looking to your photo, I believe the locomotive has an ESU loksound decoder installed. What you need to do is to put the locomotive alone in the track and instead of using the database of the 60653 you need to use the "find" option. The find option is in the same menu as the database, just at the end. Your 60653 will find the correct address of the decoder. Generally the ESU loksound is a multiprotocol one, so the number assigned can be in the Motorola format or DCC, in any case it will work fine. Hope this help. Best reagards Eduardo Thanks Eduardo, I will try that this afternoon and will post back the results. Best regards.
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mb300e4m		#6 Posted : 28 November 2016 19:40:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: mb300e4m Originally Posted by: eduard71 Originally Posted by: mb300e4m One of my recent 2016 acquisitions was a boxed 3611. I could not find it listed in either of my 60653s so I added it to one of them using the built in database. However the only thing that happens with the loco on the track is a hissing sound and the front head lights come on. Obviously the address was not the factory default? On removing the tender cover, I could see that it had a decoder, I think, at least it had a circuit board and a speaker. The only identification I could see without dismantling the tender was a small round label with the number 18/05/38 on it. With the help of my friend Google, I came to the conclusion that the original had been replaced. Can anyone suggest how I should or could proceed from here? Keep in mind that I am new to Digital and currently at about the 0.25% knowledge level. I grew up on discrete components, wires and tubes (valves) that glow in the dark. Looking to your photo, I believe the locomotive has an ESU loksound decoder installed. What you need to do is to put the locomotive alone in the track and instead of using the database of the 60653 you need to use the "find" option. The find option is in the same menu as the database, just at the end. Your 60653 will find the correct address of the decoder. Generally the ESU loksound is a multiprotocol one, so the number assigned can be in the Motorola format or DCC, in any case it will work fine. Hope this help. Best reagards Eduardo Thanks Eduardo, I will try that this afternoon and will post back the results. Best regards. Hello again Eduardo, The only menu choices I have in either 60653 are "FROM MASTER" "FROM DATABASE" and "ENTER MANUALLY". The 60653 instruction book does show the "FIND" option on page 6. Hmmmm...
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.


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ktsolias		#7 Posted : 28 November 2016 20:30:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/05/2016(UTC) Posts: 610 Location: Athens		Originally Posted by: mb300e4m One of my recent 2016 acquisitions was a boxed 3611. I could not find it listed in either of my 60653s so I added it to one of them using the built in database. However the only thing that happens with the loco on the track is a hissing sound and the front head lights come on. Obviously the address was not the factory default? On removing the tender cover, I could see that it had a decoder, I think, at least it had a circuit board and a speaker. The only identification I could see without dismantling the tender was a small round label with the number 18/05/38 on it. With the help of my friend Google, I came to the conclusion that the original had been replaced. Can anyone suggest how I should or could proceed from here? Keep in mind that I am new to Digital and currently at about the 0.25% knowledge level. I grew up on discrete components, wires and tubes (valves) that glow in the dark. In the foto the decoder is not the original decoder of the 3611 Looks to me that an ESU sound decoder is intalled Here are a couple of pictures from my original 3611 From the number on the decoder you can find what it is. Difintly as you can see the loco is converted Costas

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H0		#8 Posted : 28 November 2016 21:01:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,265 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: mb300e4m The only menu choices I have in either 60653 are "FROM MASTER" "FROM DATABASE" and "ENTER MANUALLY". The 60653 instruction book does show the "FIND" option on page 6. You should try this on your Master MS2, not the Slave MS2.
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mb300e4m		#9 Posted : 28 November 2016 23:04:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: mb300e4m The only menu choices I have in either 60653 are "FROM MASTER" "FROM DATABASE" and "ENTER MANUALLY". The 60653 instruction book does show the "FIND" option on page 6. You should try this on your Master MS2, not the Slave MS2. Hi Tom, this how it went. I could not make up my mind which 60653 was the master, so I just unplugged one of the two from the 60113 and as if by magic "FIND" appeared on the other one. It found a loco, but shows the wrong picture and does not say "WU C", I think it was, in the top line of the window as it did before. I can fix the picture and the loco name, I know how to do that, maybe. It is in the instructions. Now the loco runs in both directions and the light function (top left) works. The other functions on the left side of the window show as F1, 2 and 3. There is one symbol showing on the top right of the screen and I have no control over the sound yet. It does not chuff, it simply hisses. Any and all suggestions would be most welcome. My knowledge of digital is now up to 0.449 %. P.S. I just put the power to and now it shows WUC 20 and a steam loco to boot. Your guess is as good as mine. Now on to the sound.
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mb300e4m		#10 Posted : 29 November 2016 15:46:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: mb300e4m Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: mb300e4m The only menu choices I have in either 60653 are "FROM MASTER" "FROM DATABASE" and "ENTER MANUALLY". The 60653 instruction book does show the "FIND" option on page 6. You should try this on your Master MS2, not the Slave MS2. I just put the power to it and now it shows WUC 20 and a steam loco to boot. Your guess is as good as mine. Now on to the sound. I used the Functions settings on page 14. I changed F1 to "Sound" and F2 to "Whistle" set for 2 seconds. Now the loco chuffs and the whistle blows and even the brakes squeal when I turn the speed control knob down to zero rapidly. My knowledge of digital has been elevated to 0.75 %. Now on to the next one, a 3618.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.

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H0		#11 Posted : 29 November 2016 16:17:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,265 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: mb300e4m I used the Functions settings on page 14. I changed F1 to "Sound" and F2 to "Whistle" set for 2 seconds. Good to hear it is working. If the loco was recognised as DCC (something like "DCC-20" from find loco), then you can assign symbols to F5 through F15 and test if you get any more sounds - if you want to, that is. Without a symbol the keys won't to anything. Use the Shift key to test F8 through F15.
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mb300e4m		#12 Posted : 29 November 2016 17:26:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: mb300e4m I used the Functions settings on page 14. I changed F1 to "Sound" and F2 to "Whistle" set for 2 seconds. Good to hear it is working. If the loco was recognised as DCC (something like "DCC-20" from find loco), then you can assign symbols to F5 through F15 and test if you get any more sounds - if you want to, that is. Without a symbol the keys won't to anything. Use the Shift key to test F8 through F15. Thanks Tom, for another great tip. You just added more to my knowledge. I am going to save all the tips for future reference. I think I am hooked. I also have a GARRATT loco from Oz, it is equipped with a QSI decoder. What are the odds it will work on the Marklin system?
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.


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GLI		#13 Posted : 30 November 2016 02:37:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 82 Location: Lithgow NSW Australia		I also have a GARRATT loco from Oz, it is equipped with a QSI decoder. What are the odds it will work on the Marklin system? That depends on what you mean by "the Marklin system". The QSI Decoder fitted to the Eureka Garrat uses DCC. If your digital controller will operate DCC, then you will be able to control the loco. However, the Garrat is designed for use on a 2 rail system, not the Marklin 3 rail system. It could be fitted with a Marklin current pick up shoe and rewired internally for 3 rail operation, but your biggest problem is going to be the pe wheels which have an RP 25 wheel profile with much smaller flanges than on Marklin locos and rolling stock. I believe that some members of the forum have successfully run locos with RP 25 wheels using C track, but it would certainly not run on M track, and I don't know about K track. The biggest issue will, of course, be at points and crossings. The other issue will be the radius of your curves. I understand that the minimum radius of operation for this loco is 18". It will not operate on R1 curves, and I think you will find R2 curves are probably too tight as well. I don't know if this information is good news for you, but that is the situation so far as I am aware. Regards Geoff

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mb300e4m		#14 Posted : 30 November 2016 16:25:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: GLI I also have a GARRATT loco from Oz, it is equipped with a QSI decoder. What are the odds it will work on the Marklin system? That depends on what you mean by "the Marklin system". The QSI Decoder fitted to the Eureka Garrat uses DCC. If your digital controller will operate DCC, then you will be able to control the loco. However, the Garrat is designed for use on a 2 rail system, not the Marklin 3 rail system. It could be fitted with a Marklin current pick up shoe and rewired internally for 3 rail operation, but your biggest problem is going to be the pe wheels which have an RP 25 wheel profile with much smaller flanges than on Marklin locos and rolling stock. I believe that some members of the forum have successfully run locos with RP 25 wheels using C track, but it would certainly not run on M track, and I don't know about K track. The biggest issue will, of course, be at points and crossings. The other issue will be the radius of your curves. I understand that the minimum radius of operation for this loco is 18". It will not operate on R1 curves, and I think you will find R2 curves are probably too tight as well. I don't know if this information is good news for you, but that is the situation so far as I am aware. Regards Geoff Hello Geoff, To clarify, by "Marklin System" I was referring to my two 60653 Master Stations. My show layout uses Trix Express nickel silver track on which I can run any of my stuff, 2 & 3 rail, AC & DC, also course and fine scale wheels without any derailments etc. My larger/longer locos usually operate on the outer circuit which uses 4322 curves, 401.7 mm radius. Here is a link to one of my two Garratts on its first test run while I was replacing the original fiber based Trix track. https://www.facebook.com...ideos/10201402144931914/ I hope the link still works, you might have to do copy and paste. The Video is on my FB Trix Model Trains group page. During the test run, the loco was on straight DC power as I did not have a digital controller of any kind at the time. Thanks for the information Geoff, any info is good info, it all adds to the knowledge base.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.


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mb300e4m		#15 Posted : 30 November 2016 16:32:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		I see the "Reply with Quote" did not work as expected. User error perhaps?
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mb300e4m		#16 Posted : 24 December 2016 01:19:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Does anyone know where I can get my hands on a copy of the instruction booklet for my 3611? I want to take the body off but it is not intuitive by looking at the actual loco or the exploded diagram. I have searched online but have drawn a blank.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.


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ktsolias		#17 Posted : 24 December 2016 08:20:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/05/2016(UTC) Posts: 610 Location: Athens		I have a copy from my 3611 Send me a mail with your e-mail and I will scan it for you (not today is Christmas) or Whats-up No to send photos But to take the body off there are 3 screws on the underside 2 of them in the rear of the body, you can see them between the rear trailer wheel and the last driver. The front one is a little tricky: you have to take of the front trailer first to have access to the screw!!!! Costas

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RayF		#18 Posted : 24 December 2016 12:59:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: mb300e4m Does anyone know where I can get my hands on a copy of the instruction booklet for my 3611? I want to take the body off but it is not intuitive by looking at the actual loco or the exploded diagram. I have searched online but have drawn a blank. This is from the manual of a similar loco, the 37115. https://static.maerklin....e11d0a8de71434541825.pdf
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primo.doc		#19 Posted : 05 November 2020 12:58:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/11/2020(UTC) Posts: 4 Location: Lombardia, Milan		Originally Posted by: ktsolias Originally Posted by: mb300e4m One of my recent 2016 acquisitions was a boxed 3611. I could not find it listed in either of my 60653s so I added it to one of them using the built in database. However the only thing that happens with the loco on the track is a hissing sound and the front head lights come on. Obviously the address was not the factory default? On removing the tender cover, I could see that it had a decoder, I think, at least it had a circuit board and a speaker. The only identification I could see without dismantling the tender was a small round label with the number 18/05/38 on it. With the help of my friend Google, I came to the conclusion that the original had been replaced. Can anyone suggest how I should or could proceed from here? Keep in mind that I am new to Digital and currently at about the 0.25% knowledge level. I grew up on discrete components, wires and tubes (valves) that glow in the dark. In the foto the decoder is not the original decoder of the 3611 Looks to me that an ESU sound decoder is intalled Here are a couple of pictures from my original 3611 From the number on the decoder you can find what it is. Difintly as you can see the loco is converted Costas Hello, I am a passionate Italian Marklin. While browsing the web for some information to fix a problem with my 3611 I saw this old post. Now I have a problem with turning on the front lights: while the rear lights turn on and switch, the front ones don't work. I have verified that the LEDs are working and they are. I ask you if possible send me a photo of the locomotive inside where you can see the connections to the tracks of the plate that reach the front lights. Or if you tell me how the wires of the different colors are connected, which start from the PCB in the tender, in the locomotive. Thank you very much for your reply which would help me a lot. Best Regards Primo


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ktsolias		#20 Posted : 06 November 2020 10:04:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/05/2016(UTC) Posts: 610 Location: Athens		Hi The problem is common with the 3611 and the others with the same frame. The front LEDs are on the body. The current to the front LEDs is coming trough a PCB witch is mounted on the frame. At the front end there are some (4) contacts with contact springs between the frame and body. You can see in this photo the contact springs on the body: To go there you must take off the body ( is described how to do that in the booklet of the loco). Then you can clean the contacts and bend the springs as much as required. Be careful for short circuits. The two outer spring are for the lower lights and the two inner for the third light. Measure if current arrive there (on the PCB contacts) with the lights on first. Usually the problem solved this way. In case that there is no result you have to check the connections of the lanterns to the body. As a last measure is to connect wires between the contacts. (I don't recommend something like this Regards Costas

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primo.doc		#21 Posted : 06 November 2020 11:07:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/11/2020(UTC) Posts: 4 Location: Lombardia, Milan		Originally Posted by: ktsolias Hi The problem is common with the 3611 and the others with the same frame. The front LEDs are on the body. The current to the front LEDs is coming trough a PCB witch is mounted on the frame. At the front end there are some (4) contacts with contact springs between the frame and body. You can see in this photo the contact springs on the body: To go there you must take off the body ( is described how to do that in the booklet of the loco). Then you can clean the contacts and bend the springs as much as required. Be careful for short circuits. The two outer spring are for the lower lights and the two inner for the third light. Measure if current arrive there (on the PCB contacts) with the lights on first. Usually the problem solved this way. In case that there is no result you have to check the connections of the lanterns to the body. As a last measure is to connect wires between the contacts. (I don't recommend something like this Regards Costas Thanks so much for the quick reply, I try the whole thing. But I doubt that whoever had done the digitization before my purchase made a mistake in connecting the PCB in the tender to the loco. This is why I was wondering if anyone had the wiring diagram between the PCB and the circuit on the LED board in the site Regards Primo


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ktsolias		#22 Posted : 06 November 2020 13:31:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/05/2016(UTC) Posts: 610 Location: Athens		The connection from the locomotive to the decoder is made using 5 thin strands through the locomotive-tender coupling: 3311, 3611, 3613, 3614 vi - violet - headlight * gr -grey - common voltage from decoder [U +] * rt -red - case ground ge -yellow - Motor bl -blue - engine 3511, 3514 vi - purple - common voltage from decoder [U +] * gr -grey - headlight * rt -red - case ground ge -yellow - Motor bl -blue - engine * Depending on the model, the colors can also be connected the other way around. I found a 3311 with this wiring. In a 3511 it was exactly the opposite. But check Costas


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primo.doc		#23 Posted : 06 November 2020 13:56:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/11/2020(UTC) Posts: 4 Location: Lombardia, Milan		Thank you very much for helping Best Regards Primo


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