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Offline Deepak  
#1 Posted : 06 April 2016 09:42:23(UTC)
Deepak

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I am planning to build a station with 2 platforms.

I do not have a permanent layout - its all in boxes and once in a while - i set up an elaborate (i like to think so) layout covering three fourths of my living room (20 feet x 24 feet). With about 400 pieces of C track including 30 turnouts and atleast 12 of each R1,R2,R3,R4,R5, have 7 locos and 20 rolling stock and 7 signals.

As layout is not permanent - what should be the length of platforms - would like to run trains with 6 to 7 coaches (long ones). Planning to use wood for the same (including balsa for some parts of it). Also the height of platform.

How does it sound if i have
Length = 5 feet
Height = 1.8 cms

For the next project also planning to build a long bridge with approach ramp with wood - what is the design you propose - TRUSS or Cantilever or .....

Thanks in advance
Deepak
Bangalore, India
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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 06 April 2016 10:20:05(UTC)
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Hi!

Long coaches are about one foot each, so for 7 coaches plus loco you'd have a train length of about 8 feet.

Platforms in Germany are between 38 cm and 96 cm above the top of the rail. With 1.8 cm beside C track you would be within that range.
1.5 cm would also do and IMHO are more suitable for "older times" (era II, era III).
Regards
Tom
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Offline Goofy  
#3 Posted : 06 April 2016 19:25:16(UTC)
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Mostley of the models platform in scale H0 do have 1,0 cm in the height.
If you use C tracks,i recommended you to use cork underlay with 1,0 cm in the height and put the platform there.
H0
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Offline H0  
#4 Posted : 07 April 2016 08:13:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
If you use C tracks,i recommended you to use cork underlay with 1,0 cm in the height and put the platform there.
The Preiserlings will have to climb to get off the train.
5 mm extra under prebuild 1 cm platforms are more realistic.

Regards
Tom
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Offline Minok  
#5 Posted : 11 April 2016 22:14:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Deepak Go to Quoted Post
I am planning to build a station with 2 platforms.
what should be the length of platforms - would like to run trains with 6 to 7 coaches (long ones). Planning to use wood for the same (including balsa for some parts of it).


At a minimum, you want the platform to be just slightly longer than the full run of the passenger cars, so any exiting passenger can step on to the platform. The locomotive can extend beyond, assuming your are building a through station. If its an end station where the locomotive ends up at the dead head end in the station, then you need to cover the full train.

For through stations you'd like them to be a bit longer than just the full max length passenger car series (7 coaches)... maybe 7.5 coaches in length - so that you don't have to be as precise in stopping. With end stations the stopping location is pretty much fixed so its not such an issue.
Toys of tin and wood rule!
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Offline Deepak  
#6 Posted : 13 April 2016 09:43:04(UTC)
Deepak

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Thanks for the suggestions.

I think I will build the platform at 18mm high and total 54 inch in length - in 3 sections of 18inch for each platform. With such sections I can always expand later by adding another section in between.

Plan is to to build 2 platforms with 4 tracks - merging after and before the platform into 2 tracks.

Any further tips or suggestions.......




Now for the design of the bridge -
what can be the maximum elevation for marklin locos to climb - i see most suggestions at 3 to 5 degrees - will 7 degrees be too much (for 12 cm height will need a climb of 100cms - but for 5 degrees i would need 140 cms - and this gives a total of 140+60+140=340cms total and then the curve at both ends and i end up with 450 cms - almost 15 feet.
For 2 parallel tracks on the bridge - planning for a total width of 13 cms (5 inch)



A few pictures of my different temporary layouts :)
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Offline Minok  
#7 Posted : 14 April 2016 00:50:02(UTC)
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I've been giving the climbing question some thought, as I'm purchasing/building/planning for a helix to get up/down from a main level to a 2nd upper level.
The general wisdom is always, as little as possible, biggest radius bends if climbing -and that conservative thinking is great but at some point you need to know, what can I do with the equipment I have in the space I have available.

Generally, the recommendation is 3% climb, but I believe 5-7% climb is possible easily enough.

What your trains are capable of depends upon several factors only you can know:
1) The locomotive's pulling power
2) The locomotives traction tire situation and state
3) The number and weight of the train of cars the locomotive is pulling
4) The rail surface and route it is running (straight, curved, whats the rail surface like)

I've come to the conclusion that 5% is probably easily doable with a shorter train (3-4 cars) but in any case, you need to experiment with your own trains.
Set up a layout where you can increase the grade change bit by bit (adding more blocks, turning some bolts an support rods, whatever you use). And then do tests. Run the full train you want to use. Crank up the grade a bit, run it again.
Repeat until you see the train stall (then back it off to a good smooth running) - or until you verify you achieved the climb you need.
Toys of tin and wood rule!
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#8 Posted : 14 November 2016 18:16:09(UTC)
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You can make the platforms out of a length of wood. I did this for my main station (which is still under construction)

You can see them in the picstures at http://cabinlayout.mixmo...main-station-tracks-laid

I used 3/4" wood and planed them down a bit thinner, but they need not be exact. I intend to print platform paving onto long strips of paper to glue to the upper surfaces.
Dale
Intellibox + own software, K-Track
My current layout: https://cabin-layout.mixmox.com
Arrival and Departure signs: https://remotesign.mixmox.com
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Offline CanadianKid  
#9 Posted : 14 November 2016 19:51:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz Go to Quoted Post
You can make the platforms out of a length of wood. I did this for my main station (which is still under construction)

You can see them in the picstures at http://cabinlayout.mixmo...main-station-tracks-laid

I used 3/4" wood and planed them down a bit thinner, but they need not be exact. I intend to print platform paving onto long strips of paper to glue to the upper surfaces.


Any good sources of platform printouts? I need to make some of my own, but I have yet to find a good photo to put on my platforms.
Offline DaleSchultz  
#10 Posted : 17 November 2016 00:18:17(UTC)
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no, I assumed I would have to make some and have them printed out at Staples
Dale
Intellibox + own software, K-Track
My current layout: https://cabin-layout.mixmox.com
Arrival and Departure signs: https://remotesign.mixmox.com
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Offline DV  
#11 Posted : 17 November 2016 00:58:42(UTC)
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Try this site bricks

This is the explanation why this site was created:-


I had started to build a model train layout in the garden shed,(the first time I have tried such a thing). I tell people that it is for the grandchildren's entertainment, but it's as much for mine if I'm honest.

Anyway - in the course of events I found myself wanting a print of brickwork in OO scale, so I searched the internet and found some. I needed to create a long wall so I printed several copies of the bricks I had downloaded to paste side by side along the wall. Now, whilst the brickwork on a single print is random enough, when you paste several prints of the same print along a wall, you get a repeated pattern - I needed a way of getting several files with the same bricks but with different patterns.

It occurred to me that I could possibly write a program that generated random brick patterns.

This site is my attempt at programming such a thing.

PDF files are generated using images of real bricks selected at random from the brick set that you choose.


I have a feeling that this site might have been posted previously on our Forum.

Anyway, have a goThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp
Dusan V
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Offline CanadianKid  
#12 Posted : 17 November 2016 04:16:24(UTC)
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Hey thanks!
That's really neat!
I'll give that a go.
Thanks,
Matthew
Offline sjbartels  
#13 Posted : 17 November 2016 04:32:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: CanadianKid Go to Quoted Post
Hey thanks!
That's really neat!
I'll give that a go.
Thanks,
Matthew


Don't forget to post some pictures Matthew when you get 'er done :)
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Offline baggio  
#14 Posted : 27 November 2016 18:57:10(UTC)
baggio

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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
Set up a layout where you can increase the grade change bit by bit (adding more blocks, turning some bolts an support rods, whatever you use).And then do tests.Run the full train you want to use.Crank up the grade a bit, run it again.
Repeat until you see the train stall (then back it off to a good smooth running) - or until you verify you achieved the climb you need.


VERY nice suggestion! ThumpUp
Offline DaleSchultz  
#15 Posted : 28 November 2016 01:12:57(UTC)
DaleSchultz

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wood works well. You can see my platforms (unfinished) at http://cabin-layout.blog...station-tracks-laid.html
Dale
Intellibox + own software, K-Track
My current layout: https://cabin-layout.mixmox.com
Arrival and Departure signs: https://remotesign.mixmox.com
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Offline river6109  
#16 Posted : 28 November 2016 02:11:17(UTC)
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a friend of mine in Berlin makes all his station platforms, overpasses etc. by 3D printing and they look fantastic, will show pictures when finished.

John
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