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john black		#101 Posted : 13 December 2005 22:26:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Happy Birthday, Guus [:p] (seems you are a few days past me ...) And congratulations - great gift !!! John
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steventrain		#102 Posted : 13 December 2005 22:32:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Happy return Guus! Have a nice present!
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Guus		#103 Posted : 13 December 2005 22:35:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Thanks John . So that means you're a Sagitarius too.I'm definitely not into Horoscopes,however that's a hobby of my wife. Thank you Steven .The train is running on the dinner table right now [:p] edited:14/12/2005 Guus
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john black		#104 Posted : 14 December 2005 01:18:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		There are quite a few of that species in our family - our younger Son, our Grandson, my Sister, my Sister-in-Law. Plus little ol' me ... [:I]
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Alberto Pedrini		#105 Posted : 22 December 2005 20:17:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy		Hi friends, yesterday I received my HW perfectly running. So I think the first shipping has been done in a hurry, without to test the models. Now it's all ok. Problem solved.
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Guus		#106 Posted : 22 December 2005 20:55:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Hi Alberto, That's good to hear. Mine runs well too,although not as good as my BR05 which seems-apart from the electric motor-technically almost identical to the HWZ. I'll post my findings in the near future. Kind regards Guus
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frankv		#107 Posted : 22 December 2005 20:58:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 137 Location: , Florida		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by almagik <br />Hi friends, yesterday I received my HW perfectly running. So I think the first shipping has been done in a hurry, without to test the models. Now it's all ok. Problem solved. Glad to hear your HW is running OK. I don't know if anyone can answer this, but when M* makes the insider models, do they do it as one manufacturing run or do they do it in batches? The reason I ask, is that I got mine two weeks ago, all I needed to do was clean the drivers on the Lok. As soon as I did that it ran great. (No need to change the slider) Now I admit that I am running it on a simple oval with only one turnout, but I really don't have anything bad to say about the way it runs. The purple windows are a little weird. Anyhow, did I just get lucky, or do you think there were multiple batches and the later production run was higher quality? Happy Holidays, Frank
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Webmaster		#108 Posted : 22 December 2005 22:10:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		I think they do a first smaller run to get the early orders delivered on time as promised, and then fulfil the rest of the orders with a second run...
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HueyCE		#109 Posted : 23 December 2005 02:42:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,528 Location: Groton, Connecticut		Wonderful pictures, as usual Alberto. Ira
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Chris Vella		#110 Posted : 23 December 2005 09:17:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/06/2003(UTC) Posts: 275 Location: Malta		Hi Alberto, Thanks for the grat movies[^] All the best Chris
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Guus		#111 Posted : 23 December 2005 10:02:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Hi Alberto, Thanks for the nice pictures and videos [:p]. Kind regards Guus
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Frostie		#112 Posted : 23 December 2005 10:43:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,614 Location: Birmingham,Alabama		Very nice videos !! I can easily see the purple windows, but this train has really grown on me. The cars do not have tendency to derail on my layout. All in all I probably expected (wanted)too much. But I am happy with what I got.
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bmcrae		#113 Posted : 24 December 2005 00:08:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 970 Location: Okanagan Valley, BC		Alberto.....WOW! Great photos again!! [:p] Thanks.
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john black		#114 Posted : 09 January 2006 16:01:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by almagik <br />After two hours of test in my trains room I have decided to give back the train to my dealer. Goodbye Henschel-Wegmann, you are a collector's model, only showcase is good for you. [:(!][:(!][:(!] p.s. Hi Alberto, just read it in a German Marklin Forum: HWZ IS MADE AT SANDAKAN MRR FACTORY, SHENZEN, CHINA (they also produce for BACHMANN and others) COST OF PRODUCTION = €50 ... See by yourself: www.stummi.foren-city.de go to "Allgemeines", then "Märklin und China", page 3 (of 7) John
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Davy		#115 Posted : 09 January 2006 16:56:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		Fairy tells with no prove what so ever. Nö, stimmt definitiv nicht. Am 12. September (also genau vor einem Monat) war ich in Göppingen zu einer Werksbesichtigung. Fast in jeder Abteilung sah man Teile vom HWZ. Sowohl Teile von Loks als auch von den Wagen. Zu dem Zeitpunkt kam schon fast der Eindruck, dass Märklin fast nichts anderes produziert als den HWZ. Damals hebe ich jedenfalls schon HWZ Gehäuse in allen Produktionsstadien gesehen. Von roh frisch ab Druckgussmaschiene bis hin zum fertig bedruckten Gehäuse. _________________
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digilox1		#116 Posted : 09 January 2006 17:06:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/05/2003(UTC) Posts: 719 Location: ,		Remember Mr. Potjemkin and his villages? Regards, Manfred
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MärCo		#117 Posted : 09 January 2006 17:10:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,159 Location: The Netherlands		Direct links —> http://stummi.foren-city...-maerklin-und-china.html
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Davy		#118 Posted : 09 January 2006 17:23:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		Fairy tales with no prove what so ever. Nö, stimmt definitiv nicht. Am 12. September (also genau vor einem Monat) war ich in Göppingen zu einer Werksbesichtigung. Fast in jeder Abteilung sah man Teile vom HWZ. Sowohl Teile von Loks als auch von den Wagen. Zu dem Zeitpunkt kam schon fast der Eindruck, dass Märklin fast nichts anderes produziert als den HWZ. Damals hebe ich jedenfalls schon HWZ Gehäuse in allen Produktionsstadien gesehen. Von roh frisch ab Druckgussmaschiene bis hin zum fertig bedruckten Gehäuse. The decoders for Marklin locs come from China and other electronics parts also. But if somebody visit the fabric and sees the the insider 2005 model been made. It looks to the visitor that the whole fabric make just only one thing and is the insider model. Then I believe him and not the China fairy-tale tell.
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Alberto Pedrini		#119 Posted : 09 January 2006 17:27:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black Hi Alberto, just read it in a German Marklin Forum: HWZ IS MADE AT SANDAKAN MRR FACTORY, SHENZEN, CHINA (they also produce for BACHMANN and others) COST OF PRODUCTION = €50 ... John Thanks John, now it's all clear... [xx(][:(!][}:)][V]
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verheyen		#120 Posted : 09 January 2006 17:35:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 639 Location: ,		+ €€€€ for R&D + €€€€ for moulds... + €€€€.... Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br />just read it in a German Marklin Forum: HWZ IS MADE AT SANDAKAN MRR FACTORY, SHENZEN, CHINA (they also produce for BACHMANN and others) COST OF PRODUCTION = €50 ...
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john black		#121 Posted : 09 January 2006 20:45:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by digilox1 <br />Remember Mr. Potjemkin and his villages?
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Munich 1860		#122 Posted : 09 January 2006 23:39:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,062 Location: Neu-Ulm, Bavaria		A lot of people are telling fairy tales in this Stummi's Modellbahnforum with no proof whatsoever. And this Henschel-by-Sandakan IS in fact one very gross fairy tale. This is a shame because Stummi himself and his moderators (there are three of them and they are all needed everyday) are doing quite a decent job. If ever the vibrations from this forum creep into ours I'll be gone for good. I do not have time enough to see my precious sparetime filled with arguments and accusations. Everytime I check into Stummi's forum I am thankful for our Marklin-Users-Net webmaster and indeed all participants to be such a nice crowd. Hans
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Webmaster		#123 Posted : 10 January 2006 01:00:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Hans, if this forum ever gets into the "mood" of some German forums - the site will shut down... I used to follow the newsgroup de.rec.modelle.bahn, but since there is always some quarreling going on there - I don't read it anymore... The same with the Märklin Insider forum - they shut it down since there was too much bickering... Thank you all members for keeping it civilized!
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john black		#124 Posted : 10 January 2006 01:01:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Munich 1860 <br />A lot of people are telling fairy tales in this Stummi's Modellbahnforum with no proof whatsoever thanks for this information, these are your people and you should know them better ... but their discussion fits the picture quite well ... I'll tell you what makes me very very uneasy, nevertheless (forget about those guys above): 1. M had stopped stamping "Made in Germany" on their locos 2. No label where do their locos come from, now 3. Some of their stuff is definitely "Made in China" (just look at their Z-boxes) 4. Al (and others) are really angry with M about their new "quality" standard on a $$$ train 5. M burned me heavily three moons back with that junky China-made Harry Potter Plastic Set (€300 down the drain) Frankly, for now I'm really not that sure if I can trust M in the future. They burned me once - they'll burn me twice ... [xx(][xx(][xx(]
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HueyCE		#125 Posted : 10 January 2006 01:10:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,528 Location: Groton, Connecticut		That is one of the downsides of the internet, rumors can be started easily, and spread fast. Ira
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Webmaster		#126 Posted : 10 January 2006 01:13:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		John, they made the GG-1 too, right... There are ups and downs everywhere in life....
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john black		#127 Posted : 10 January 2006 01:20:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		You are right, Juhan. Thanks for your kind words, my friend John
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stephenbb		#128 Posted : 10 January 2006 01:26:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,836 Location: Trumbull, CT		Again I repeat its not where its made but how its made!!! Stephen(USA)
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Sam		#129 Posted : 10 January 2006 01:45:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2002(UTC) Posts: 799 Location: Phoenix, AZ		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Frostie Interestingly the famous German Car Brands are suffering in quality - especially Mercedes. Look at the quality recalls they have had of late. I have looked at M-B and BMW and found cars stated being made in other than Germany such as "South Africa". I wonder how much the high unemployment among the young, the social network to not have to go to work, and the wonderful 35 hour workweek is contributing to the problems with manufacturing in Germany and other western countries ? [Climbs onto Soapbox] I can concur with this 100%, where as the MB used to stand head and shoulders above the rest, not it's hardly an inch or two above Toyota! [:(] But don't blame the 35 hour work week for that... the venerable MB's of the 50's thru 80's were build with similar work weeks.. Blame the cost cutting, and exporting of work (namely to the East) for that ... when you beat down your workers and demand more of them then ever, at the same time pay them less... you're not going to get a quality product from them... whether they be Engineers, or assembly line workers.. Marklin is no different.. Germany is going the way of the US.. where the big bosses will get bigger an bigger wages, and the workers will get displaced by Chinese at $.1/on the dollar.. In the USA 11 minors died recently and we had a national crisis over it... these minors died providing us with coal for energy. In china, nearly 20,000 minors die each year due to hazardous work conditions in order to provide power for Chines factories to make crap.. and ship it back to us to buy from fat cat CEO's.. So it's is indeed "how it's made" that troubles me. You get what you pay for, and what goes around WILL come around. [/Climbs off Soapbox] Back to the HWG.. It's pretty, but I'll definitely not be getting it... Unless I see a new one on ebay for $400 or something that is. As for where it's made... US Law requires it be marked as to that... so does anyone have a box from a US sold model? what does it say?
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john black		#130 Posted : 10 January 2006 01:46:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		They could forget about their hide-and-seek, be fair and tell us ... But you, too, are right, Stephen John
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steventrain		#131 Posted : 10 January 2006 19:41:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Thanks for the video and the pictures.
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5HorizonsRR		#132 Posted : 10 January 2006 20:09:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,973 Location: CA, USA		Sam brings up the final point here: If it is sold through Marklin USA it has to be marked made in China. So does anyone have the sticker on their box? That will be the final word.
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john black		#133 Posted : 10 January 2006 20:36:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by 5HorizonsRR <br />So does anyone have the sticker on their box? That will be the final word We got evidence. Read <u>M's own statement</u> (no fairy tale) <u>re HO and Z</u>: ... http://www.ztrains.com/pages/ancillary/china.html
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Munich 1860		#134 Posted : 10 January 2006 21:50:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,062 Location: Neu-Ulm, Bavaria		I would like to know the following: IS it compulsory for companies like Märklin to mark their products "Made in China" if they are made in China ???? Does ANY member of this forum who lives in the USA own a HWZ which he or she bought through an official Marklin dealer in the US ?? I.e. not bought online and shipped privately ..... If YES: is there a sticker on it saying: "Made in China" ????? Eagerly waiting for your replies ....
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john black		#135 Posted : 10 January 2006 22:03:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Munich 1860 <br />a sticker on it saying: "Made in China" ????? Eagerly waiting for your replies ... Easy task. But it seems ya didn't read M's statement that carefully - Fred Gates of M USA freely admitts: "Those Made in China stickers don't always make it to the box" ... Thus any further investigation becomes useless. But at least now we are in the know. Case solved.
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Gustavo Villa		#136 Posted : 10 January 2006 22:24:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/07/2005(UTC) Posts: 260 Location: Viña del Mar, Chile		So, we must buy Fleischmann, still proudly "Made in Germany". Nürnberg to be more precise.
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Munich 1860		#137 Posted : 10 January 2006 23:41:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,062 Location: Neu-Ulm, Bavaria		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Munich 1860 <br />a sticker on it saying: "Made in China" ????? Eagerly waiting for your replies ... Easy task. But it seems ya didn't read M's statement that carefully - Fred Gates of M USA freely admitts: "Those Made in China stickers don't always make it to the box" ... Thus any further investigation becomes useless. But at least now we are in the know. Case solved. The site you're referring to was quote "last updated on Tuesday, April 10, 2002". I consider this not extremely reliable, yet it may of course contain proper information. Still my question stands: if "not all" stickers make it onto the box, then surely a few ..... So, all we need is ONE sticker on a HWZ saying that was built in China, very simple task though. But if though, ok, just assuming, can somebody tell me how they got those thousands (we must assume it was a big number) of HWZ trains which were returned to the factory because of their faultiness repaired whithin one or two weeks, as was reported, if those trains had to be sent back to China ?? All customs declarations for getting them INTO the country, then back home ?? No delays, and expert repair done while normal production would go on ?? By Chinese workers who would understand what German drivers mean by jerkiness when driving ?? Or do you want me to believe that those trains are built in China, but Märklin have a second batch of production machinery ready at the main factory just in case something goes wrong, and 800 or so employees are sitting around waiting for the complaints to arrive ?? I do really not understand why it is so hard to simply believe what people with a name and a face and a reputation told in the forum which was mentioned yesterday, saying that they saw with their own eyes the production being in full progress, and that was back in September ... Regards, Hans
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Sam		#138 Posted : 11 January 2006 03:51:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2002(UTC) Posts: 799 Location: Phoenix, AZ		Hans.. IN THE USA.. IT IS THE LAW to mark a product's origin of MANUFACTURE.. not engineering ,or design. PERIOD.. no if's ands or buts.. You can thank labor unions for this law, and I most certainly do! I just got a Hungarian made 39384 from a USA source and it WAS NOT MARKED, but this is an error, or Marklin USA is opening themselves to a large fine by the FTC. As for whether it's made in China or not... it can be both.. they may make parts in China and do final assembly in Germany... The reality is (and even I accept it) is that some part of every electronic items now comes from China, even if the item is designed, and completely assembled in the US or Germany.. But, I would not be surprised if most of the parts of a particular model were made in China, then shipped to Germany for final assembly.. in which case, is it made in Germany? or China? I can't really say..
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mrmarklin		#139 Posted : 11 January 2006 06:03:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 937 Location: Burney, CA		After my previous glowing report, and after running the HWZ many hours on the ETE modular layout (normal digital only), I put it on my test layout that I'm using for my newly acquited Central Station. After calling up the lok, the decoder fried!!!!!!! And I mean literally!!!!! Back to the dealer!!!!! AAAAAARRRRGGGHHH!
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jonquinn		#140 Posted : 11 January 2006 07:53:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,591 Location: Pennsylvania		better have your cs tested or checked too. I don't think the FTC gives a hoot about toy trains. especially a brand that is essentially taken for granted as being made outside the USA in its entirety, and always has been.
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john black		#141 Posted : 11 January 2006 11:46:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Yep - guess Federal Train Control [:o)][:o)][:o)] is busy with more important things ... And such even to Mr.Marklin himself - it's a shame. Sorry for you, Dave
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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Sam		#142 Posted : 12 January 2006 03:13:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2002(UTC) Posts: 799 Location: Phoenix, AZ		I personally got the FTC to levy a small fine and force a change a major/national website advertisement from a major car maker last year by simply picking up the phone and reporting the "false advertisement" and with in 4 weeks, the website was changed to more "Accurately" reflect the truth, and I got a letter of apology from the car maker, as well as a letter confirming my case was being resolved by the FTC... The squeaky wheel gets the grease. As I have no Chinese made Marklin, I have to squeaks to submit to them.
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mrmarklin		#143 Posted : 12 January 2006 05:02:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 937 Location: Burney, CA		My other MFX loks seem to run normally, so I think the CS is OK. Obviously a bad chip. I've only seen a decoder fry one other time, and that was an expensive HAG railcar that had a brand new 60901 installed. Same behavior as my lok. The decoder heated up and smoked. Very tough to watch. Luckily he was with a warranty, and so am I. Re: Non German production. Bought some C Track recently, it was made in Hungary. I think you can take it for granted that all US rolling stock is made in China, and almost all electronic products are either now, or will be made there in the near future. And I know for a fact that some other items in the export program are also made in China.
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Sam		#144 Posted : 12 January 2006 05:58:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2002(UTC) Posts: 799 Location: Phoenix, AZ		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mrmarklin I think you can take it for granted that all US rolling stock is made in China, and almost all electronic products are either now, or will be made there in the near future. And I know for a fact that some other items in the export program are also made in China. This makes sense, as US consumers are far more likely to accept "made in China" crap over their European counterparts....
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john black		#145 Posted : 13 January 2006 04:12:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mrmarklin <br />I think you can take it for granted that all US rolling stock is made in China True - that's what also all my dealers tell me constantly. Got no problem with such - since quality & craftmanship of all my U.S. models are just excellent [:p][:p][:p] Take any of my engines: GG-1, Mikado, BigBoy, F7 or PA-1 - all of them run like a dream without the slightest trouble !!! They are so good I simply had to get my 3rd ALCO ... John
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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5HorizonsRR		#146 Posted : 13 January 2006 05:20:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,973 Location: CA, USA		Add to the china list those Hupac depressed center flatcars for trailers and the goliath cranes. I've seen stickers on both.
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plavnostruev		#147 Posted : 13 January 2006 17:29:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 756 Location: New Jersey, USA		Outsourcing to China is supposed to mean lower prices, right? Is that really happening though? Will I soon find Marklin starter set in my local ChinaMart... I mean WallMart? Mike
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john black		#148 Posted : 13 January 2006 18:57:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by plavnostruev <br />Outsourcing to China is supposed to mean lower prices, right? You can say, Mike - my 2nd U.S. set #29570 I got yesterday was €289.- only (incl.VAT which I could deduct). Cool price tag ... John
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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laalves		#149 Posted : 12 July 2006 16:41:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		I read the decoder data of my BR 61 and was surprised to find out the following parameters: Regulation influence: 0% Regulation reference: 25V Regulation parameter K: 1 Regulation parameter I: 100 All in all, it means that the BR 61's load regulation is turned off. Any thoughts? Is decoder load regulation irrelevant for c-sine loks? Is it the motor driver doing the load regulation? Can anyone verify what are the regulation settings in other BR 61s and any other mfx c-sine loks (this is the only one I have)? Luis Luis
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john black		#150 Posted : 12 July 2006 17:52:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by almagik <br /> Just for sharing bad luck with all insider members I've got mine yesterday (at the fifth try ...) Luis: Perhaps ya can borrow Al's hammer. Or wall ... [8]
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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