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MARKLIN INSIDER 2016
39095 Freight Tank Locomotive class 95 '95 006' (H0) 399,99 EUR
48827 Freight Car Set G 10 (H0)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain  Marklin Insider model 2016 will be announced in December. Yes, I was thinking the other day that this is normally announced at the Treff, but because it is so much earlier than the Cologne Treff when it is at Marklin I guess it is just not ready to be announced. I presume the 2016 Museum models will be announced at the same time.
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Okey...it´s time to guess!  But one thing is so sure about the new insider...new generation sound decoder 3. Bayern steam locomotive S3/6. |
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My wild guess is the steamer series 78.10,the series 38 with the short tender. Was earlier released as Minitrix 16471 as Insider model 2015. Edited by user 13 November 2015 07:45:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 My wild guess is the steamer series 78,the series 38 with the short tender.
Was earlier released as Minitrix 16471 as Insider model 2015. Another steamer.. plesae one diesel or electric loco!!!! |
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In order of preference: steamer, electric, diesel. Anyway I have much more steamers, so an electric could fit, but is much harder to be approved by the board  In case of an electric it should have interior details and light, 2 motors if it is a croc style loco, SDS motor(s) - why not if it is an Insider? -, telex and motorized pantographs. Made in Europe is critical as Chinese built locos like the NOHABS don't get my approval! For an electric it could be new toolings for E60 (like the Gauge 1) or BR94. For diesel a fully metal RAm (not german, but I don't specially like any German diesel). Anyway I would prefer, like Anders, a S3/6. An new tooling for the BR96 is also welcome. Probably will be something that i can't even imagine.... let's see, or guess :) Miguel |
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Maybe even a fantasy BR 05 004... |
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Nothing wrong with steamers but i understand what you say. The series 78.10 (converted 38 with short tender) is rather peculiar,only two of them were built,indeed something special. Noting the M marketshares in various countries ,it is logical to assume that it will be a German prototype of some sort. It does not worry me really,i have plenty on my list going back some time. The 34080 is one of them,the socalled Black Swan,again only two were ever built. http://lok-magazin.de/si...4_10-2.jpg?itok=0D_bLMPghttp://www.bahnbilder.de...-zu-spaeterer-148328.jpg |
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Well, 2015 had a steam loco as the first Insider loco, with a set of coaches to go with it, so I reckon the first insider loco for 2016 will be a diesel or electric.
But I could envisage the Br78 as the second Insider loco for 2016, possibly with a commuter two coach set.
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Looking at the Marklin marketshares in the world,it is logical to assume that the 2016 Insider model will reflect a German prototype of some sort. This will make the productionrun worth its while. M will attempt to use an already existing model and convert it to something special with minimal costs. So,jet powered locomotives as per USA or Russian prototypes are a no go if you ask me. Another option could be a retro version of a classic model from the past,steamer series 44 ("Jumbo") for example. Years ago M released a model of the classic Croc as Insider model,just an example. I think they found out that the retro versions,including the tinplate coaches,are worth a marketshare of their own and they may wish to expand on that. Anyway,December is fast approaching now. http://www.web-hgh.de/im...jahre/3108%20BR%2044.jpg |
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Looking at the Marklin market shares in the world,it is logical to assume that the 2016 Insider model will reflect a German prototype of some sort.
This will make the production run worth its while..........
Another option could be a retro version of a classic model from the past,steamer series 44 ("Jumbo") for example.
Years ago M released a model of the classic Croc as Insider model,just an example.
....... With the short lead times for model making now (modern CAD>CAM), I would not be surprised to see a revamped Croc. It has awoken world-wide interest with its recent visit to Sweden...... .....amongst those outside of Germany and Switzerland. regards Kimball |
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Dear Kimball, The Swiss Croc has been explored in all its details and many versions have been issued over the years,i wonder what is left what would make it worthwile to issue another one. Perhaps a socalled shunting Croc,having one pantograph only,years ago M issued the gauge 1 version of it. What i have seen over the years is that existing models were upgraded with plastic parts to make it look like something special. When money was still plentiful available within M,they sometimes issued total surprises,like the impressive Big Boy. I wonder whether in the current economic climate they would be prepared to take such risks again. Let us wait and see. Paul Edited by user 14 November 2015 13:58:35(UTC)
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One possible non german Insider model but iconic model is the prototype of the Croc....  |
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Originally Posted by: vilithejou One possible non german Insider model but iconic model is the prototype of the Croc.... Oooh that would be a nice model to do. However what rolling stock would you put with it? In recent years the first Insider model for the year has a set of rolling stock to go with it. If one was to issue it without rolling stock, then it could be a second Insider model for the year, as these seem to be issued without a set of rolling stock. However as noted earlier in the thread, how big would the market be for a Swiss prototype - to me that would limit it to a second Insider model. The other question would be how else could they amortise the development costs? I could envisage a set of Swiss locos rather like the current set of 5 Borsig Manufactured locos they are currently doing (2016 will be number 3 or 4, I've lost count), or the previous set of Carl Bellingrodt locos. Could it be issued as a loco in a Swiss Mega Start Set? How many different colours did the prototype have? I suspect it was only ever brown as pictured, and being a prototype, how many were made? Was there only one, or more - if more than one that helps with having the model made more than once to amortise the development costs. And then of course, it could be issued as a 'snow weathered' loco for the Nurnburg Toy Fair loco, although the production runs of those locos must be relatively small I would have thought. I am amazed that the 'Donald Duck' set done as the Grey Mouse and Lufthansa Express have both been Insider models. This must have represented a major commitment to develop this model (including the fact that the Lufthansa Express model has further developments over the original), so I do wonder if this will soon come out in a paint scheme for general release. The Insider market must be a relatively small market compared to general production runs of a model. I don't know how many variations the prototype went through, so don't know if this is possible.
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I do not believe that this loco was the prototype for the Crocodile. If my memory serves me correctly, it was the prototype for the other loco constructed for hauling passenger trains on the electrified Gotthardt line, the Be 4/6. If you are familiar with this loco, you can immediately see the similarity if you ignore the body projections added to the ends of the loco and concentrate on the main body. It was the first loco of this class to be constructed and was found to be overweight, and exceeded the permissible axle load considerably. To enable the loco to be used, an additional axle was added with alterations to the drive rods. For this reason, it was unique. The addition of the extra axle and the change to the drive rods makes it appear more like a Crocodile, but this was purely a coincidence.
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Hello!
This is the crocodile mother Ce 6/8 l only 1 was made.
The lok is in SBB historics lok collection.
Then the Ce 6/8 ll ( some of them later Be 6/8ll).
And later on the Ce 6/8 lll ( some of them later Be 6/8lll).
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A new BR 111 would not be a typical Insider model in my mind.
It needs to be something special,not seen before.
Also,i think the new owners understand that whatever they bring out over the next twelve months needs to be affordable to a large portion of the Marklin addicts.
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From what I can discover from Wikipedia, this locomotive is very similar in most dimensions to the BR 85, which Marklin have made in many versions for some time.
The BR 85 was a 3 cylinder engine, the BR 95 is only 2.
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This one. DB retired their BR 95 locos between 1953 and '58. Makes her rather unattractive for me. I have the BR 85 which has seen more DB years. |
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Originally Posted by: xxup This one?
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Always good to see a new steamer from Marklin. If this is a completely new tooling it may replace the Br85 in the Marklin range as the heavy tank engine.
I can see that Marklin is slowly getting rid of all their DCM locos in favour of new toolings with can motors. I have no problem with that as it makes them more accurate in dimensions due to the reduced size of motor that needs to be accomodated and the resulting loco is also much quieter and smoother.
As I already have a Br85 it might be difficult for me to justify getting this loco which is almost identical visually, but it is interesting anyway. |
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Well it's a steamer and epoche 3, so I'm interested. |
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it is a cute little thing,but i will not buy it,i prefer the fully analogue series 85,much cheaper too. I saw the prototype on two occasions at Bochum-Dalhausen,not operational. It looked like a narrow gauge loco on standard gauge track. Here the Fleischmann equivalent,just to get an idea: http://www.reflektion.in..._1_nrbg_flei-95_1000.jpgSmart move by M,the series 95 was in action for the DRG,the DB,and the DR,and perhaps for the KPEV also. As such,we can expect various versions over the forthcoming years. |
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I had my BR85 3309 with Telex converted to digital earlier this year with sounds and now she's absolutely perfect. I would have to think about the BR95 new one? Peter 
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It is not something special for me,i am not interested.
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I've got the BR 95 from Fleischmann when they first released it, so I don't need another one.
There's also a Märklin BR 85 in my collection, converted to digital, so I will more probably spend some money on adding additional cars to some of my trains.
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BR 95??
That was not expected...
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 it is a cute little thing,but i will not buy it,i prefer the fully analogue series 85,much cheaper too. I saw the prototype on two occasions at Bochum-Dalhausen,not operational. It looked like a narrow gauge loco on standard gauge track. Here the Fleischmann equivalent,just to get an idea: http://www.reflektion.in..._1_nrbg_flei-95_1000.jpgSmart move by M,the series 95 was in action for the DRG,the DB,and the DR,and perhaps for the KPEV also. As such,we can expect various versions over the forthcoming years. Yes Paul, very smart. They were first built in 1922. There were 45 of the BR95, a larger number than the BR85, of which 10 were built starting 1931. I am unable to find if there was a difference in the boiler diameter. I have a book at home which shows the BR95 in charge of a snow-plough machine, in the region around its home of Sonnenberg. Maybe we will see a set from Marklin. The book also describes the BR95 as "one of the most evocative locomotives of German railways." regards Kimball |
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There were 45 locos of BR 95, 18 made by Borsig, 27 made by Hanomag. The first were built in 1922 - I don't know if they were delivered in KPEV livery (but that won't stop Märklin anyway). 14 locos were in the West after the war, 12 were operational. 24 is the number of 95s that were left in the East and came to the DR of the DRG. |
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Originally Posted by: H0 There were 45 locos of BR 95, 18 made by Borsig, 27 made by Hanomag. The first were built in 1922 - I don't know if they were delivered in KPEV livery (but that won't stop Märklin anyway). 14 locos were in the West after the war, 12 were operational. 24 is the number of 95s that were left in the East and came to the DR of the DRG. Hi, The first ten locomotives made by Borsig had a Prussian livery as well as Prussian road numbers: T20, Magdeburg 9201-9210. Hanomag also produced some BR 95 locomotives, and in a Hanomag news brochure from 1924 there was an illustration of a BR 95 in a Prussian livery, but with DRG inscriptions. At first, the BR 95 was provisionally numbered BR 77 by the DRG, but this was changed quickly. So there were plenty of prototypical versions that Märklin might make, including the DRG 'Fotografieranstrich'. I'm not a club member, but I think that the BR 95 is a good choice. Here are some photos:    (Source: Gerhard Dambacher, Baureihen 95/96, Weltbild Verlag, ISBN 4-02641113028-6) Best regards, Mark Edited by user 29 November 2015 16:32:08(UTC)
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The series 95 was designed as series T20 for the Prussian railways just prior to being incorporated into the DRG. The series was also known as series 77 for a short while. Here a model (Fleischmann?) in Prussian colors: http://www.mobadaten.inf...ages/2/2c/FLM_405502.jpg |
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Well I am beginning to think I might dispose of my BR85 (85010).
As I am an Insider member, I could order this new BR95, as being a more interesting machine.
Then again, I could keep the BR85, and have the BR95 as well.
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Dear Kimball,
Keep them both!
I am looking for the M 3308,the series 85 DRG version,fully analogue of course.
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Looking at the size of the series 95 model i am hopeful there will be a second Insider model later on.
It would seem to me that the well known makers of modeltrains (including M) are filling up the last white spots in the productportfolios.
Just wondering how they will survive the next 10 years without any further new models (steamers!) to produce.
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Since I don't have any Prussian models I would consider that one, if made. Peter 
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Oh no, means more planned expenses for 2016... A BR95 that has been on the wish list for many years, and you can never have enough G10's...
Actually, some items on my wishlist since 20 years have been made by others earlier but it shows it's worth waiting for Märklin sometimes...
Examples are Big Boy, SVT 137, BR 55, BR 58, P 10, BR 05 003 cab forward, BR 18.3, T3 and now BR 95.... |
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BR95 now showing at Marklin TV no.74 on air (In german) if you log in club site or bottom of Marklin homepage. English not yet. Edited by user 02 December 2015 21:18:39(UTC)
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I just hope M produces a set of rolling stock to go with the Lok as they have in the past.  Just saw the update......there is a set! |
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Originally Posted by: mrmarklin I just hope M produces a set of rolling stock to go with the Lok as they have in the past. Yes, 48827, a set of box cars. But no details yet. Kimball |
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