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kweekalot		#1 Posted : 21 June 2014 19:53:38(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		I saw this 1972 mint Markin factory built K-track 'Schaufensteranlage' No 0923 for sale on ebay kleinanzeigen. Not used in the last 40 years, with all the original paperwork and box. And with some lovely Faller models. Most likely this layout does not come cheap.... LINK Not sure, but I think Steve cookee_nz has the same layout. Marco
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cookee_nz		#2 Posted : 22 June 2014 10:03:18(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 3,955 Location: Paremata, Wellington		Yep, same as mine, with one notable difference, the trackbed is all grass on mine, but ’gravel’ on this one. Shall be watching this with much interest, thanks. Mine has had a good run this weekend with my grandson here :-) https://www.marklin-user...bmc/displaylayouts/0923/
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kweekalot		#3 Posted : 22 June 2014 11:13:50(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Maybe someone on the forum is so kind to scan Marklin Magazin 1984-No 3 ??? It shows a 6 pages article about the 'Marklin werk 4' factory at the 'Stuttgarter Straße 118' in Eislingen Germany, were till the nineties all the 'Werks- and Schaufensteranlagen' were built. I can only find pictures of the article on the internet, but for me the text is too small to read. Marco
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kweekalot		#4 Posted : 22 June 2014 11:30:37(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Found some better pictures....still a bit hard to read. Would be a great job building layouts all days.
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Herrfleck		#5 Posted : 22 June 2014 22:21:41(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 08/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 258		Hello Marco! Unfortunately I can't make the pictures big here on the forum. But here's a link where I keep my pictures for this forum. http://herrfleck.blogg.se/categ...rklin-magazine03-84.html If the pictures are not big enough there, you can hold the ctrl and scroll upwards at the same time. The window will zoom in when you do this. Hope it's helping you. /Bertil
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kweekalot		#6 Posted : 22 June 2014 23:57:17(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Hello Bertil, Thank you so much !! I have a (very) poor vision , but now, at last, with your help I can finally read the article. Thanks again. Marco
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GlennM		#7 Posted : 26 June 2014 15:49:34(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 09/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,886 Location: Somewhere, But Nowhere Near Manchester, England		Marco and Bertil, Great article thank you for posting Best Regards Glenn PS: The gentleman at the front [dressed in blue overcoat] of the opening picture, does not look too happy though
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BrandonVA		#8 Posted : 27 June 2014 14:51:35(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 09/12/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,533 Location: VA		Marco, Thanks for putting this up. I love these factory layouts. I've also been curious about the custom factory layouts offered in the past (I believe late 70s through the 80s), often mentioned on a page in the catalog. It seems to me the article from Marklin magazine may be discussing this as well. Maybe a labcoat would make my layout progress a little more consistant :) -Brandon
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Alsterstreek		#9 Posted : 27 June 2014 15:24:03(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 16/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 5,672 Location: Hybrid Home		Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Maybe a labcoat would make my layout progress a little more consistant :) May I suggest a labcoat matching your wall color? Alsterstreek attached the following image(s):
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kweekalot		#10 Posted : 27 June 2014 16:55:23(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,437 Location: Holland		Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Maybe a labcoat would make my layout progress a little more consistant :) I find these oldschool blue lab coats awesome !! If I ever I succeed to participate in a mrr show with a vintage layout, I will wear a blue labcoat, just for fun. In Holland we call them 'dust coats' (Stofjas in Dutch) . Marco
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BrandonVA		#11 Posted : 27 June 2014 18:27:32(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 09/12/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,533 Location: VA		Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek May I suggest a labcoat matching your wall color? Updating forum identity to "Doktor Kaboom". It's pretty fitting anyway. Maybe I need some orange locomotives...or possibly a fall theme for my layout? Regarding the custom factory built layouts (not just the store demo layouts), if anyone has a link (or links) to any of these documented on the internet, I would love to see them! -Dr. Kaboom
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Alsterstreek		#12 Posted : 28 June 2014 01:11:35(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 16/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 5,672 Location: Hybrid Home		So, I put on my "stofjas" and went into the archive, since Dr. Kaboom asked for it: http://www.modelleisenba...-marklin-fertig-anlagen/ http://tischbahn.web261....lagen_tischbahner_1.html http://www.google.pt/sea...gZAN&ved=0CAUQ_AU4Cg https://www.marklin-user...aylayouts/0923/index.htm
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cookee_nz		#13 Posted : 29 June 2014 06:12:00(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 3,955 Location: Paremata, Wellington		Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek So, I put on my "stofjas" and went into the archive, since Dr. Kaboom asked for it: http://www.modelleisenba...-marklin-fertig-anlagen/ http://tischbahn.web261....lagen_tischbahner_1.html http://www.google.pt/sea...gZAN&ved=0CAUQ_AU4Cg https://www.marklin-user...aylayouts/0923/index.htm Hi Ak, good summary of resources, I had started to compile my own response and came up with pretty much the same as you. I hope at some stage to expand on my own layout article with additional info about display layouts. What I would really love to see would be some actual shop front and/or interior photos showing layouts actually in place in a shop. If anyone has anything like this or links (photo's & videos) please add them. Cheers Steve
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Alsterstreek		#14 Posted : 29 June 2014 09:58:31(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 16/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 5,672 Location: Hybrid Home		So, I put on the "stoffjas" again. As a starter, I found this blog entry about two separate layouts: http://modelltischbahn.a...r-tattooz.de/?page_id=46 The first 205 x 140 cm layout was built in 2013 using original 1960s material and is prepared for shop front operation. The second 185 x 130 cm layout is vintage (c. 1970). According to the blog, for a brief period at the end of the 1960s NOCH and Maerklin cooperated, resulting in 1968/69 in the “MÄRKLIN Exclusivmodell 0452″ aka the layout “Wetterhorn”. Since NOCH offered the landscaped base model separately, a Maerklin built "Werksanlage" - like this one - is very rare. This layout allows to operate four trains simultaneously. I was bought c. 1970 for the display window of a toy shop in the German state of Hesse where it stayed until the recent acquisition by the blog author.
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Alsterstreek		#15 Posted : 29 June 2014 11:23:56(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 16/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 5,672 Location: Hybrid Home		Now, let us get dressed up appropriately to mix with the crowd in front of the shop window(s). Alsterstreek attached the following image(s):
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Alsterstreek		#16 Posted : 29 June 2014 11:26:07(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 16/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 5,672 Location: Hybrid Home		The "Puppenkoenig" toy shop in Bonn has a long tradition of displaying layouts. Here are vintage photos of the crowd pleasers. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s):
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Alsterstreek		#17 Posted : 29 June 2014 11:30:42(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 16/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 5,672 Location: Hybrid Home		Difficult to excavate photos of Maerklin built layouts in shops. Again not quite "the real thing", but still... Historic shop display in Gelsenkirchen. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s):
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cookee_nz		#18 Posted : 29 June 2014 12:26:15(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 3,955 Location: Paremata, Wellington		Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek The "Puppenkoenig" toy shop in Bonn has a long tradition of displaying layouts. Here are vintage photos of the crowd pleasers. Great images, I think a couple I have seen before, but what REALLY caught my eye, just right of top center, very clearly what looks to me to be the angled word "Maori", being of course the generally accepted indigenous people of New Zealand. Is this a trick of my eyes, have I read the word wrong?, what possible connection could there be in a European toy shop to our native culture? Anyone able to put it into context? Must be maybe some sort of exposition rather than a toy shop? Mystery indeed Steve Edited by user 01 December 2023 05:20:26(UTC)  | Reason: Add cropped image
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steventrain		#19 Posted : 29 June 2014 14:35:13(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek The "Puppenkoenig" toy shop in Bonn has a long tradition of displaying layouts. Here are vintage photos of the crowd pleasers. Puppenkoenig shop still today with Marklin c-track display layout I guess. Still in business for over 135 years.
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Jimmy Thompson		#20 Posted : 30 November 2023 22:34:08(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
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Jimmy Thompson		#21 Posted : 01 December 2023 00:40:31(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 609 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		Alsterstreek posted Quote: Difficult to excavate photos of Maerklin built layouts in shops. Again not quite "the real thing", but still... Historic shop display in Gelsenkirchen. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): An intriguing turntable sitting there!
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cookee_nz		#22 Posted : 01 December 2023 05:31:58(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 3,955 Location: Paremata, Wellington		Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Alsterstreek posted Quote: Difficult to excavate photos of Maerklin built layouts in shops. Again not quite "the real thing", but still... Historic shop display in Gelsenkirchen. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): An intriguing turntable sitting there! Might have been a protype, earliest catalogue image I have is from 1939... 410 M
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IanC		#23 Posted : 01 December 2023 09:35:44(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
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Jimmy Thompson		#24 Posted : 01 December 2023 13:03:08(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 609 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		cookee, 410M! Beautiful! Well done! Could indeed have been the prototype. (and as the catalogue is an "artist's rendering", it might well have been produced as shown, at least at the first, perhaps? , and if the sources are correct, by 1951 that control cabin was located on the turning table itself, rather than off-set)
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kiwiAlan		#25 Posted : 01 December 2023 23:31:10(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,109 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: IanC One minute you're playing trains, the next day you're invading Poland. Normality on the brink of WW2. Strange times in 1939 Germany. I have a book that has a photo of Goebels with his train layout, IIRC it is Fleischmann O gauge three rail. Not sure if it was taken before the war, or in the early stages. Seems everyone (almost) in the hierarchy had a layout.
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cookee_nz		#26 Posted : 02 December 2023 12:25:33(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 3,955 Location: Paremata, Wellington		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: IanC One minute you're playing trains, the next day you're invading Poland. Normality on the brink of WW2. Strange times in 1939 Germany. I have a book that has a photo of Goebels with his train layout, IIRC it is Fleischmann O gauge three rail. Not sure if it was taken before the war, or in the early stages. Seems everyone (almost) in the hierarchy had a layout. Possibly you mean Goering?, he was the well-known train fanatic, didn't know about Goebels There are several photos circulating of the extensive layouts in Karinhall, such as this... (not wishing to validate him in any way whatsoever but the topic does seem to surface from time to time) There have been previous threads here about the topic.
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Jimmy Thompson		#27 Posted : 02 December 2023 13:11:12(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 609 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		Here is another layout, although it looks fairly simple compared to others. This was listed as for Macy's Department store, location not available. Not sure how long the pictures will last. Simple double oval (5100 and 5200), 3' x 7'. There seems to be bits missing. The "back side" "Märklin...so many advantages" - again, I think there may have been some damage, and that the previous owner must have removed the damaged bits...but might that have been for display of loks and rolling stock and track? I post the link to worthpoint, as the photos do not seem to want to transfer - may be an old auction? Just seems a bit "rough around the edges", in my opinion https://www.worthpoint.com/worth...out-7-ho-train-468057007
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cookee_nz		#28 Posted : 04 December 2023 10:35:49(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 3,955 Location: Paremata, Wellington		Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Here is another layout, although it looks fairly simple compared to others. This was listed as for Macy's Department store, location not available. Not sure how long the pictures will last. Simple double oval (5100 and 5200), 3' x 7'. There seems to be bits missing. The "back side" "Märklin...so many advantages" - again, I think there may have been some damage, and that the previous owner must have removed the damaged bits...but might that have been for display of loks and rolling stock and track? I post the link to worthpoint, as the photos do not seem to want to transfer - may be an old auction? Just seems a bit "rough around the edges", in my opinion https://www.worthpoint.com/worth...out-7-ho-train-468057007 Here are the images from the site. That "worthpoint" site is dodgy as, I would not trust shysters that advertise a "free trial" but to get it, you have to agree to be automatically billed for renewal after 7 days, and you can't register without putting in a credit card. Many would consider that misleading to say the least. Sounds like criminal shysters to me and not ever getting my credit card. But it could be worth getting a debit card with no balance just to sign up and then frustrate them with bounced debits. The layout is not one I've ever seen, not in any of the layout catalogues, although it does kind of have that look about it. Pity the images are not larger, and the underside would tell a lot. Sorry they are so small, beyond my control
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marklinist5999		#29 Posted : 04 December 2023 11:26:46(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
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Jimmy Thompson		#30 Posted : 04 December 2023 12:05:56(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 609 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		cookee, Thank you! for getting the pictures! And, rough though it is, it still has "The Look"! And it appears that the background panel apparently survived fairly well.
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kiwiAlan		#31 Posted : 04 December 2023 13:23:10(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,109 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Here are the images from the site. I have doubts that is a factory layout. It just doesn't have the quality of scenic work that I would expect, and the 'fiddle yard' at the back just doesn't look like Marklin workmanship. I suspect this was a layout built to order for some shop to have trains running around to get the punters in. Maybe the shop owner built it themselves, or had a friend build it. No doubt the marklin signage on the divider has been acquired as part of marklin advertising fittings, but to me that is about it.
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Jimmy Thompson		#32 Posted : 04 December 2023 14:12:50(UTC) Retweet Reply with Quote Add to quote
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 609 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		Alan, That could very well be the case. They found a background panel (and base?) and just whipped a layout together. The only other thing I thought about was that there was water damage to the landscape part, but even that is a stretch of the imagination... because the background panel seems to be unaffected by any damage. I hope the new owner is at least happy and/or resigned to his new acquisition... p. s. I still would have to have some piece of paper saying it truly was from Macy's... p. p. s. I apologize for drifting off from the 0923 of the original post...
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