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Offline epkjosv  
#1 Posted : 02 September 2005 16:27:43(UTC)
epkjosv


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Hello everyone!

I am sorry for entering this kind of question in this forum, but I actually couldn't find a forum more suitable for identification help... ;)

I've just bought myself an older Märklin steam engine, (I actually bought a box with some cars and this ).
Unfortunately the tender is missing, and I do not know the Märklin article-number for this locomotive, so I hope that someone can help me with this. I am looking for a tender for this locomotive, but since I don't have the article number it will be hard to find which tender to look for...

The locomotive has the following specifications:

Wheel configuration is : 1-3-1 with drive on all three axles.
(I don't know the correct naming conventions for wheel configurations ;)

On one side of the cabin it says: DA800 and 23014,
on the other side it says MÄRKLIN and 23014.

It has 2 real front lightbulbs.

It also has manual drive-direction lever on the side

Here are some blurry photos (sorry for the poor quality, but it WAS around 1.30 last night, and I was kind of blurry myself Smile):

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It would be very interesting for me to know the article-number, which year this model were manufactured and, if possible, the article number for the tender...

If someone even know where the Original (1:1) were operating, I would be thrilled with joy!!

Thanks for reading!

Best regards
/Jörgen
Offline Timaximus  
#2 Posted : 02 September 2005 16:55:33(UTC)
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It is the Märklin 3005.
Build from around 195* until 197* I think.

I have one myself with tender (one of my fathers old trains).
Märklin | HO | C+K Track | Digital | I+II+III+IV+V | Power and control by Uhlenbrock | Win-Digipet
Offline rschaffr  
#3 Posted : 02 September 2005 17:41:08(UTC)
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Jörgen:

Welcome to the forum. Don't be sorry about asking a question. That is what this forum is all about.

That lok is a real jewel. Congratulations! As to the tender, I've seen tenders for the DA800 on eBay from time to time.
-Ron
Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/IB), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051)
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Offline steventrain  
#4 Posted : 02 September 2005 20:52:36(UTC)
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Welcome to the forum Jörgen.
It is marklin 3005.
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Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#5 Posted : 03 September 2005 00:07:31(UTC)
Alberto Pedrini

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Hi Jörgen,
the DA 800 value is max 100 euro, don't pay too much for the tender.
This is mine,

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Alberto

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Offline Munich 1860  
#6 Posted : 03 September 2005 01:42:23(UTC)
Munich 1860

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Hello Jörgen,

and welcome here. Most has been said. But I am sorry to have to add something to a member's (Maxi) posting further above.

By far most 3005 are NOT plastic, but metal. Only the very first ones, built in 1954 and 1955, were made of KUNSTSTOFF (plastic). If indeed you happen to have a plastic one (I'm talking about the Kessel - the boiler), then it is worth a lot more than the metal ones.

Märklin catalog number was DA 800 from 1954 until 1957, when it was changed to 3005. Yet the lettering DA 800 remained on the loco until 1959, when this was replaced by 3005. On the tender, the lettering <u>DA 809 </u>could be found, this is the one for you to look for. This also was changed, in 1961, and from then on the tender bore the number <u>3005</u>, just as the loco.

But of course any tender will look ok, whether its number is DA 809 or 3005.

It was built until 1968. Then Märklin brought out the same one, but without several details, to test the market's acceptance of cheaper models (failure, I have to add) under the catalog number of 3097. Only in 1969. 3005 came back shortly in 1971/72, also with some slight changes, for instance without the numbers 3005 on loco and tender. The last hooray: it was then sold under the brand name Primex from 1973 to 1975, also a slightly simplified version.

From 1972 until 1980 the old version could still be bought at Märklin dealers as what is called Teilesatz, meaning consisting of a set of complete parts. You then could assemble it yourself.

105 units of BR 23 were built, planning started in 1949. The first one was ready in 1950. The last one, 23 105, was delivered in 1959 and was the last steam engine ever to be brought into service by the DB. It had a very short time in active service, because it was already retired in 1971. The last 23's were stationed at Crailsheim, were they were retired in 1975. 23 105 was brought back into service for museum purposes in 1985 (150 years of German railway).

Please ask, if you have questions, everybody here does !!

Regards,

Johann
I like M-track and my things that run on it were built between 1959 and 1972.
Offline Munich 1860  
#7 Posted : 03 September 2005 02:02:45(UTC)
Munich 1860

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Hello Matthew,

my remark was certainly not meant as an insult or so. I just thought that Jörgen, being new here, would maybe be puzzled if he found himself to own the metal one. And strictly speaking your information was not erroneous. It just told about the first editions of DA 800.

Thank you anyway, and enjoy the weekend !!

Johann
I like M-track and my things that run on it were built between 1959 and 1972.
Offline steventrain  
#8 Posted : 03 September 2005 02:07:09(UTC)
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Execllent Detail of records munich1860.
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Offline Munich 1860  
#9 Posted : 03 September 2005 02:18:30(UTC)
Munich 1860

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
<br />Execllent Detail of records munich1860.
Thank you Steven,

but as I have said before in a different thread: this one, the 3005, was my very first one back in 1961, and I still have it. I am very emotionally attached to it. Maybe that's why I knew a little about it !!

JohannSmileSmile
I like M-track and my things that run on it were built between 1959 and 1972.
Offline Munich 1860  
#10 Posted : 03 September 2005 14:06:57(UTC)
Munich 1860

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Maxi
<br />I was in no way insulted, just thanking for the clarification.
I did not have the actual model in my possesion so could only rely on information at my disposal.

We all hold a piece of the puzzle, and together we can paint a complete picture.wink

Maxi
Thank you Maxi,

and let me take the opportunity to ask you how you like your Winicat version, is it worth buying it if also owning a couple of Kolls, and what do you mainly use it for ?? Thanks in advance !!

Johann
I like M-track and my things that run on it were built between 1959 and 1972.
Offline steventrain  
#11 Posted : 03 September 2005 14:22:37(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Munich 1860
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
<br />Execllent Detail of records munich1860.
Thank you Steven,

but as I have said before in a different thread: this one, the 3005, was my very first one back in 1961, and I still have it. I am very emotionally attached to it. Maybe that's why I knew a little about it !!

JohannSmileSmile


You know all the marklin,you would like to be a Marklin expert collector?.

Cheeriowink
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#12 Posted : 03 September 2005 15:35:23(UTC)
Alberto Pedrini

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Johann,
you are a "Maestro" for everyone.
Now I like much more my DA800.
thank you Smile
Alberto

Marklinfan Club Italia
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Offline epkjosv  
#13 Posted : 03 September 2005 19:09:40(UTC)
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Wow! Thank you very much all of you!!
I couldn't dream of getting that much responses on my question!!

Now I certainly know what kind of tender I am looking for!!

Thanks alot you guys!

Btw Alberto: The car you have behind the loko, there were one passenger and one baggage car along with the loko... looked just like the one on the photo...

Regards
/Jörgen

And for the record, I am a intermittent railer, collecting inbetween the opportunities I have to build and drive the lokos!!!
/Jörgen
Offline Munich 1860  
#14 Posted : 03 September 2005 20:48:02(UTC)
Munich 1860

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Wow, Matthew,

clear words !! Thank you very much !!

Johann
I like M-track and my things that run on it were built between 1959 and 1972.
Offline KevinM  
#15 Posted : 13 September 2005 23:08:42(UTC)
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I too have a DA800. It was part of a starter set that was bought for me ( soon after I was born. My first Marklin. It will always have a special place in my collection.
Kevin
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Offline Oscar  
#16 Posted : 15 September 2005 00:15:15(UTC)
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<font face="Comic Sans MS]Those are great loco's. I've got one as well. By the way, almagik, that photo you posted is mouth-watering. Congratulations on building such a beautiful lay-out [:p]!! I'd like to see some more images of it.....</font id="Comic Sans MS]
Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#17 Posted : 15 September 2005 00:33:46(UTC)
Alberto Pedrini

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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Oscar
<br /><font face="Comic Sans MS][size=2]Those are great loco's. I've got one as well. By the way, almagik, that photo you posted is mouth-watering. Congratulations on building such a beautiful lay-out [:p]!! I'd like to see some more images of it.....
</font id="Comic Sans MS]

Hi Oscar,
it's only a little diorama 180cm long
http://www.marklinfan.it/diorama.htm
Alberto

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