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Offline Lollo  
#1 Posted : 26 January 2013 08:47:24(UTC)
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Lollo

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Hi all,

Here are some Marklin magazine articles on coupler conversion, & other usefull info.

Cheers,
Brian.
File Attachment(s):
Kurz_gekuppelt_01.pdf (1,178kb) downloaded 494 time(s).
Kurz_gekuppelt_02.pdf (1,101kb) downloaded 343 time(s).
Kurz_gekuppelt_03.pdf (1,377kb) downloaded 229 time(s).
Kurz_gekuppelt_04.pdf (1,308kb) downloaded 180 time(s).
Kurz_gekuppelt_05.pdf (677kb) downloaded 182 time(s).
Kurz_gekuppelt_06.pdf (827kb) downloaded 164 time(s).
Kurz_gekuppelt_07.pdf (1,147kb) downloaded 182 time(s).
Kurz_gekuppelt_08.pdf (842kb) downloaded 170 time(s).
Kurz_gekuppelt_09.pdf (740kb) downloaded 161 time(s).
Kurz_gekuppelt_10.pdf (517kb) downloaded 169 time(s).
Kurz_gekuppelt_11.pdf (784kb) downloaded 149 time(s).
Kurz_gekuppelt_12.pdf (591kb) downloaded 153 time(s).
Kurz_gekuppelt_13.pdf (710kb) downloaded 152 time(s).
Kurz_gekuppelt_14.pdf (739kb) downloaded 151 time(s).
Kurz_gekuppelt_15.pdf (726kb) downloaded 159 time(s).
Kurz_gekuppelt_16.pdf (538kb) downloaded 156 time(s).
Kurz_gekuppelt_17.pdf (845kb) downloaded 162 time(s).
Kurz_gekuppelt_18.pdf (1,021kb) downloaded 216 time(s).
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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 26 January 2013 08:56:50(UTC)
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All 18 parts of that series are available here:
http://www.maerklin.de/m...n_specials_downloads.php

The first of Brian's links is now dead as is H0's link above, so I have reposted a copy of File no 1 in post #14 /BDNZ 18082023

Edited by moderator 17 August 2023 22:14:12(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline Jackson  
#3 Posted : 25 February 2013 00:52:37(UTC)
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Brian,

I have a coupling issue with the Rhinegold Cars. They have a "slip in" type coupler in order to provide power to the lights in the cars. The first car has a normal Marklin coupler in order to connect to the locomotive. They are always uncoupling. Any suggestions? If you have a pdf link, which one should I look for?

Thanks

Wayne
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Offline franciscohg  
#4 Posted : 25 February 2013 02:17:20(UTC)
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What is uncoupling?
The cars? or the cars and the loco?
I have no problems with the coupling to the loco.
I have replace the original current conducting couplers with 72021 and they work great
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Offline GSRR  
#5 Posted : 25 February 2013 03:00:35(UTC)
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Wayne,

Have you tried the RTS type?


http://www.maerklinist.d...gen/frame-kupplungen.htm


http://www.ralf-bueker.de/RTS_Kupplung.htm


r/Thomas


edit for Marklin E272140

http://www.schnug-modell...auf/Kupplungen/Kuppl.htm

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Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 25 February 2013 07:40:25(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: GSRR Go to Quoted Post
Have you tried the RTS type?
The tin-plate Rheingold (I presume we're talking 'bout the tin-plate H0 version) uses special draw bars that are shorter. With any other couplers, the distance between coaches will be larger.
See post #3 for a picture:
https://www.marklin-user...0-Merkur.aspx#post185188

Maybe the draw bars are not fully pushed in? Also check that the metal part inside the coupler pocket is in the correct position (sometimes it gets moved out when you push the draw bar in).
Maybe the draw bars are worn and have to be replaced.
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Tom
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Offline Mark5  
#7 Posted : 27 February 2013 04:08:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
What is uncoupling?
The cars? or the cars and the loco?
I have no problems with the coupling to the loco.
I have replace the original current conducting couplers with 72021 and they work great


Hi Francisco,

Why did you not want the current conducting couplers?

- Mark
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Offline river6109  
#8 Posted : 27 February 2013 09:25:47(UTC)
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Märklin close couplers don't work for me if I have a heavy haulage behind the loco, they are great for coupling but when you put them under load the coupling just gives away and slips out of the shaft, the material they made of is to soft and the end bits don't hold them in, what I've done spread them out and insert them again sometimes it helps sometimes it doesn't..

I didn't realize there are added short coupling conversions available from Märklin, I know they've made many different shafts for locos.

regards.,

John
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Offline river6109  
#9 Posted : 27 February 2013 09:47:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GSRR Go to Quoted Post
Wayne,

Have you tried the RTS type?


http://www.maerklinist.d...gen/frame-kupplungen.htm


http://www.ralf-bueker.de/RTS_Kupplung.htm


r/Thomas


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http://www.schnug-modell...auf/Kupplungen/Kuppl.htm


this website has left out Fleischmann electrical couplings, not many modellers are aware of them they exist.
they come as a 2 wire or 4 wire item. if you need a secure coupling these are the ones to get but to put them together is another story, most the time you have to lay the carriages on their head to be able to connect them and the same is with taken them apart you could break your coupling shaft.
I've used some of them (at the time) as they have been slightly cheaper than Roco electr. couplings.
Roco electrical couplings are great, they do fit most the time and are easy to connect or take apart but there have been instances whereas the 4 electrical contacts bend to a position not lining up with the opposite coupling. storing carriages: be careful they don't break

Roco - Fleischmann electr. 4 pin couplings: Fleischmann couplings have just the edge over the Roco couplings when it comes to the space between 2 carriages.

In one of the web links it is shown the conversion of the iron ore hopper carriages from metal to plastic short couplings and shafts, there is a benefit: shorter distance between carriages. I've bought about 50 carriages with the later design (plastic short couplings), yes they fit together closer but the whole mechanism is a disaster. the frame is metal and the coupling is plastic and it has occurred the coupling mechanism doesn't move at all unless you oil it so it can swing from side to side and on this subject I admit metal is better than plastic and they should have left it the way it was (first production) except make the coupling shorter) I also found the wheels fall off (newer version).

regards.,

John

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Offline nevw  
#10 Posted : 27 February 2013 11:24:57(UTC)
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The Flieschmann 2 pole Couplings are a disaster. Unlessyou are super carefull they will fail
have not tried the 4 pole Flieschmann and to me the Roco couplings are very bulky
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Offline Lollo  
#11 Posted : 28 February 2013 19:39:03(UTC)
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Lollo

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Hi all,

Krois-Modell make conducting couplers, standard & digital couplers. You can buy from the online shop direct.

http://shop.krois-modell.com/Krois-Modell:::1.html
http://krois-modell.com/produkt/stkupp/
http://krois-modell.com/produkt/digikupp/h0/

Cheers,
Brian.

Brian
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Offline GSRR  
#12 Posted : 01 March 2013 02:11:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: GSRR Go to Quoted Post
Wayne,

Have you tried the RTS type?


http://www.maerklinist.d...gen/frame-kupplungen.htm


http://www.ralf-bueker.de/RTS_Kupplung.htm


r/Thomas


edit for Marklin E272140

http://www.schnug-modell...auf/Kupplungen/Kuppl.htm


this website has left out Fleischmann electrical couplings, not many modellers are aware of them they exist.
they come as a 2 wire or 4 wire item. if you need a secure coupling these are the ones to get but to put them together is another story, most the time you have to lay the carriages on their head to be able to connect them and the same is with taken them apart you could break your coupling shaft.
I've used some of them (at the time) as they have been slightly cheaper than Roco electr. couplings.
Roco electrical couplings are great, they do fit most the time and are easy to connect or take apart but there have been instances whereas the 4 electrical contacts bend to a position not lining up with the opposite coupling. storing carriages: be careful they don't break

Roco - Fleischmann electr. 4 pin couplings: Fleischmann couplings have just the edge over the Roco couplings when it comes to the space between 2 carriages.

In one of the web links it is shown the conversion of the iron ore hopper carriages from metal to plastic short couplings and shafts, there is a benefit: shorter distance between carriages. I've bought about 50 carriages with the later design (plastic short couplings), yes they fit together closer but the whole mechanism is a disaster. the frame is metal and the coupling is plastic and it has occurred the coupling mechanism doesn't move at all unless you oil it so it can swing from side to side and on this subject I admit metal is better than plastic and they should have left it the way it was (first production) except make the coupling shorter) I also found the wheels fall off (newer version).

regards.,

John





There is also the Viessmann 5071 four-pole electric live coupler

http://www.viessmann-mod...1c0ae39aa8df9b1138d6dda0


and the Viessmann 5048

http://www.viessmann-mod...f80b251284a9a63171dbf957




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Offline Jackson  
#13 Posted : 01 March 2013 02:28:02(UTC)
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All of this information is useful. I will follow up on all of the suggestions. Thanks to all of you for replying.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#14 Posted : 17 August 2023 22:08:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
All 18 parts of that series are available here:
http://www.maerklin.de/m...n_specials_downloads.php


Since H0's link is now dead, as is the first of Brian's downloads, I'm posting another copy of the first article.

Kurz_gekuppelt_01.pdf (1,699kb) downloaded 63 time(s).
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