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Offline Marklin3200  
#1 Posted : 06 January 2013 03:36:20(UTC)
Marklin3200

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Hello All, and welcome.

I'm new to this forum and just wanted to firstly say hi.

I have never known of Marklin before, I grew up with Lionel and HO train sets. I'm well versed in HO but
I know NOTHING of Marklin.

Today, I inherited a Marklin 3200 Train set (circa 1957 I believe) with a Marklin 6667 transformer both are extremely mint (the train set is still in original box). There are no documentation with it, no paper work no nothing. Sadly.
So I'm not sure what exactly the Marklin Guage is either....

So the train set I got is also seen here:
http://www.liveauctionee...2_marklin-3200-train-set

Transformer is also seen here:
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/9582159

I am trying to find reading material regarding setting up the set, the train set did not come with any manuals. I know
the transformer uses Alternating Current, and by using a volt meter, I was able to figure out that there are 3 terminals
on the transformer. One is the common, the other is a straight 17V which is what I guess for accessories. The other
terminal is variable from 0 to 17V AC.

I have only 1 piece of turn track that has a power hook up, from what I gather looking at it, drooling at it, I gather the "B" or red wire is the current and the "O" or brown is the common.

So what happens if they short?
Does it cause end of the world destruction for the train set?
Is there any sort of short protection on the transformer, or would things just simply start arcing?

What are the power requirements for a set, does a oval layout require more than 1 hook up to the transformer??? Or how many pieces of track per power hook up is required?

If anybody or everybody could please send me all guides to Marklin Alternating Tran sets, any reading information like idiot guides to setting the marklin train set up, that would be grateful. I am really at a loss with setting this up, and I really don't want to do something wrong as it is one of the best train sets I have inherited.

I'm totally familiar with HO and hooking up tracks, setting it up, etc but this is AC and different than what I'm used to.

creamyvanillaswirl@gmail.com is my e-mail, don't be shy to send me many documents to it as the more the better.

I look forward to the e-mails or responses.

If there is any more information you guys/gals need, please let me know.

Thank you
Michael
Offline tulit  
#2 Posted : 06 January 2013 04:20:20(UTC)
tulit

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Originally Posted by: Marklin3200 Go to Quoted Post

I have only 1 piece of turn track that has a power hook up, from what I gather looking at it, drooling at it, I gather the "B" or red wire is the current and the "O" or brown is the common.


Exactly correct. The red wire should end up connected to the inner studs. The brown wire should end up connecting to both outer rails.

Originally Posted by: Marklin3200 Go to Quoted Post

What are the power requirements for a set, does a oval layout require more than 1 hook up to the transformer??? Or how many pieces of track per power hook up is required?


For a small oval, one is probably fine. I target one every 6 feet on permanent layout.

Offline nevw  
#3 Posted : 06 January 2013 04:28:05(UTC)
nevw

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Welcome to the Forum.


Michael, you have the connections correct. On a small oval you only need one hook up but on a large layout you run some feeder wires around the track to keep the current fairly even. If you get a short usually the power supply turns off.

The set that you have is anolog and only one loco at a time on the circle. Later or newer locos are mostly digital with decoders.
I am sure that you will get more answers.

Nev

PS got beat while I was looking at the pictures.
wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Offline Ian555  
#4 Posted : 06 January 2013 08:44:38(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Michael,

Welcome to the forum. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline steventrain  
#5 Posted : 06 January 2013 09:38:40(UTC)
steventrain

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Hi and Welcome to the forum, Micheal.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#6 Posted : 06 January 2013 10:13:36(UTC)
Bigdaddynz

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Welcome to the forum, Micheal.

This manual might be of some use.
File Attachment(s):
Connecting_Electric_Railways.pdf (3,092kb) downloaded 639 time(s).
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Offline NS1200  
#7 Posted : 06 January 2013 12:51:55(UTC)
NS1200

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Posts: 3,443
Greetings Michael,

You will find that Maerklin operates a very easy system,nothing much can go wrong really.
Just make sure the transformer has the same voltage as the current coming out of your wallsocket,in Europe that is 220 to 230 volts AC,in the states or elsewhere that could be 110 volts AC.
Just stick the red and the brown wire in the back of the transformer.
Even if you mix them up that will not harm really.
The locomotive takes power from the middle rail (red wire).
The two outerrails are for the negative flow,the brown wire.
Note that the outerrails are one piece with the metal railbed,whereas the middle rail is isolated by having a small space between rail and railbed.
Because power is fed through the middle rail,the Maerklin system allows you to create railloops without having to worry about shortcircuits between positive and negative poles.
Your set reminds me of the first Maerklin set i got when i was a young boy,i could play hours with it on the carpet in front of the stove in the livingroom,when i close my eyes i can even smell it,the old Maerklin trains on their metal tracks have a distinct "electric" smell.

Cheers,
Paul.
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
Offline obxbill  
#8 Posted : 06 January 2013 13:26:26(UTC)
obxbill

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Posts: 1,300
Location: manteo, nc
Welcome, Michael! You found the best group for info! If you're familiar with Lionel O gauge 3-rail, then Marklin is virtually the same. To reverse the loco, there will be a springloaded feature on the control knob. Either turning it opposite of on, or pushing it down. I'm not familiar with that particular transformer. And yes, the smell of ozone that comes from the loco, will surely bring back memories! :)

Bill
Marklin HO and Z also Hornby 00 and US 2-rail
Offline Marklin3200  
#9 Posted : 06 January 2013 15:52:54(UTC)
Marklin3200

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THANK YOU ALL!!!

I haven't slept at all last night, as I'm super excited here.

I have some questions:

This train hasn't been used in a while. It honestly looks like it just came off the production line, I look at the train and the wheels are all shiney, there is no dirt, no scratches, no nothing. It is mint.
HOWEVER, should I do any prep work on the train prior to running it? I know this train was put into storage so should I do any sort of greesing? I heard by reading around other train set web sites that you apparently might have to greese the gears?

The track has minor surface rust by the looks of it. It isn't metal shiny, or is this done on purpose? How would you clean the tracks to ensure they are good???

A dumb question, I'm used to HO train couplers, but this is little guy has what looks like a pic axe like coupler. Honestly I have no idea how else to describe it. So noob question here, how do you properly connect the train to the cars???

With regards to power and hooking up power to track, what if you hook up power to a section of track that already has enough power. Just by accident for example, would that cause shorts? Cause serious harm?
Offline witzlerh  
#10 Posted : 06 January 2013 16:12:29(UTC)
witzlerh

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Welcome! The couplers are best uncoupled with a Popsicle stick although "again!" The European sticks (Hagen Daas, etc.) are better as they are wider.BigGrin

As for reverse, as mentioned either push down or turn beyond the zero. There is a spring there to push against and you only need to give it one second or less. What that does is it gives a higher voltage impulse that will activate a toggle to reverse the current going to the motor to run in reverse.

If you are familiar with HO, The analog Marklin is powered by AC rather than DC. The digital Marklin now is similar to DCC.

As for initial maintenance, see if it runs right out of the box. As you are familiar with model trains, you would know by the squealing sound if it needs to be lubricated. If so, dig around this forum, ask and you will get lots of info on care and maintenance of the robust Marklin products. Have fun first!
Harald
CS2 DB & Canadian Era 3-6
Offline Yumgui  
#11 Posted : 06 January 2013 17:31:14(UTC)
Yumgui

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Welcome to the forum Michael !

The couplers are designed to be uncoupled from below, either manually with a Popsicle stick as described above or "automatically" using a special track (#5112 for M track ...) ... you can get an idea from the diagram lower right on page 28 of Track Plan Book #0700 :

Otherwise, to get the stock rolling after a long storage period, a very SMALL drop of machine oil (prefer Labelle 108) can be placed at each axle end of cars and loco ... use sparingly !

From your description, tracks should be fine as is ...

Yum Wink
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Offline Marklin3200  
#12 Posted : 06 January 2013 18:52:52(UTC)
Marklin3200

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Okay, Noob question, this is for taking it apart.

How do you hook the coupler together with another car???

Sorry.. I just don't know ....
Crying
Offline tulit  
#13 Posted : 06 January 2013 19:52:42(UTC)
tulit

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Originally Posted by: Marklin3200 Go to Quoted Post
Okay, Noob question, this is for taking it apart.

How do you hook the coupler together with another car???

Sorry.. I just don't know ....
Crying


If they are well aligned still, just lightly press the cars together one on the track. They should just latch.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#14 Posted : 06 January 2013 20:58:27(UTC)
Bigdaddynz

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Originally Posted by: witzlerh Go to Quoted Post
Welcome! The couplers are best uncoupled with a Popsicle stick although "again!" The European sticks (Hagen Daas, etc.) are better as they are wider.BigGrin


This is sacrilege! As a forum member, we expect you to know about and recommend Genuine marklin-users.net Universal Wooden Hand Uncouplers (WHU). Popsicle sticks indeed, wash your mouth out!


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Offline BrandonVA  
#15 Posted : 07 January 2013 15:43:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Marklin3200 Go to Quoted Post

So what happens if they short?
Does it cause end of the world destruction for the train set?
Is there any sort of short protection on the transformer, or would things just simply start arcing?



Michael,

Welcome to the forum. So,me others have hinted at it, but this transformer (Marklin 6667) has a short protection feature. After a few seconds wit ha short, the transformer will turn off. I can't remember with this unit, but I think it will reset in a few seconds after the short has been cleared. If not, just unplug it and plug it back in after the short has cleared to reset it. There will be no real harm, newer digital stuff may be more sensetive, but a good old analog loco like this one will not be harmed. I have a few copies of the 30VA version of this transformer (Marklin 6627 - 110v), and they are very reliable. There is also a newer version, Marklin 6646/6647 (depends on country 110/230/etc). The new3re one has almost instantaneous short protection, and is better if running digital locomotives in analog fashion, but I wouldn't worry about it.

-Brandon
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