2nd convertion of my very old BR38 (Marklin 3098 of 1972) - Convertion from converted old digital with AC motor to mLd and DC 5pole motor Share  Email this topic  LinkBack Topic URL  Retweet this Topic  Share Topic on Google+  Like this Topic  Share on Facebook  Digg this Topic  Reddit this Topic  Share on Tumblr Options  Watch this topic  Print this topic View » Normal Threaded

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Dgriman		#1 Posted : 17 March 2012 01:59:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 119 Location: Alimos		I decide to convert my old and already converted once BR38 from AC 3 pole motor, to a new DC 5 pole motor and mLd Before the 2nd convertion Mar-3098 (BR38)-4091 by dgriman, on Flickr the new motor in place Mar-3098 (BR38)-4104 by dgriman, on Flickr tests with mLd soldered with motor Mar-3098 (BR38)-4106 by dgriman, on Flickr the old plastic for lights ready to removed Mar-3098 (BR38)-4114 by dgriman, on Flickr I create a board with 3 leds of 3mm, that fit exactly at the same place of the plastic Mar-3098 (BR38)-4120 by dgriman, on Flickr the board in position and soldered Mar-3098 (BR38)-4131 by dgriman, on Flickr the locomotive running very smooth and you can see the new lights Mar-3098 (BR38)-4122 by dgriman, on Flickr
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Johnvr		#2 Posted : 17 March 2012 07:54:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 1,269 Location: Cape Town, South Africa		Dimitrios, Thank you for showing the nice and detailed pictures of your conversion. Regards, John
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RayF		#3 Posted : 17 March 2012 08:46:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,840 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Hi Dimitrios, Did you have any problem with the new brush plate touching the inside of the boiler? I remember someone else doing this conversion and having to file a bit off the end motor bearing on the brush plate to allow the body of the loco to fit back on. Also, I find the back of the loco is a bit too light after the conversion. I have added a bit of weight at the back, where the old reversing relay used to be.
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steventrain		#4 Posted : 17 March 2012 09:10:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,609 Location: United Kingdom		Excellent work, Dimitrios.
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Dgriman		#5 Posted : 17 March 2012 14:42:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 119 Location: Alimos		Thank you all for your comments.
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intruder		#6 Posted : 21 March 2012 23:02:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Very good, Dimitrios. Thanks for showing us.
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Dgriman		#7 Posted : 22 March 2012 13:42:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 119 Location: Alimos		Originally Posted by: RayF Hi Dimitrios, Did you have any problem with the new brush plate touching the inside of the boiler? I remember someone else doing this conversion and having to file a bit off the end motor bearing on the brush plate to allow the body of the loco to fit back on. Also, I find the back of the loco is a bit too light after the conversion. I have added a bit of weight at the back, where the old reversing relay used to be. Hi Ray, The new motor fit absolutely perfect in the position of the old one, there wasn't any problem at all. I didn't see any problem for the moment with weight. This is the 3098 and not the 3099, at 3098 the body is metal and not plastic as at 3099, the weight of the loco is about 360gr . Thank you for Asking. Dimitris
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Dgriman		#8 Posted : 22 March 2012 13:44:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 119 Location: Alimos		Originally Posted by: intruder Very good, Dimitrios. Thanks for showing us. You are welcome intruder.
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intruder		#9 Posted : 22 March 2012 23:22:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Dgriman wrote: This is the 3098 and not the 3099, at 3098 the body is metal and not plastic as at 3099 My 3099 has a metal body, Dimitrios. As far as I know, all the Br38s based on the model introduced in 1967 have metal body. The 1967 type was replaced by a new model in 2003. The 1967 model: The 2003 model:
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Dgriman		#10 Posted : 23 March 2012 01:23:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 119 Location: Alimos		Originally Posted by: intruder Dgriman wrote: This is the 3098 and not the 3099, at 3098 the body is metal and not plastic as at 3099 My 3099 has a metal body, Dimitrios. As far as I know, all the Br38s based on the model introduced in 1967 have metal body. The 1967 type was replaced by a new model in 2003. The 1967 model: The 2003 model: Dear Intruder, I have no reason to disagree with you. My information comes from this page http://www.miol.it/stagniweb/maerk40.htm. After the middle of the page, you can find this article : "3099, P8 1967 - 2002 = 36 years The P8 is one of the most famous Prussian locos. The 3098 model was quite simple (especially in the wheelset area), but with a full metal construction. In 1978 the new version 3099 turned from DB to DR (Era II), thus changing fairings and tender. Around 1990 it turned back to Era III, without changing article number. In 2003 a new, digital, highly detailed, full metal version of P8 was introduced (also in the Italian version Gr. 675). " At the picture is the 3099 P8, which is exactly the same locomotive as mine one. From this phrase, the conclusion I made, is that the 3099 wasn't full metal body If the article is not accurate, I'm sorry for the misleading conclusions I made. Dimitris
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RayF		#11 Posted : 23 March 2012 10:51:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,840 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Hi Dimitrios, The article is misleading. Both 3098 and 3099 are essentially the same model. All that varies are the smoke deflectors and type of tender. I have the KPEV green version 34988 which is also based on the same metal body, and the Primex 3010, which is a simplified Marklin 3098.
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Dgriman		#12 Posted : 23 March 2012 11:11:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 119 Location: Alimos		Originally Posted by: RayF Hi Dimitrios, The article is misleading. Both 3098 and 3099 are essentially the same model. All that varies are the smoke deflectors and type of tender. I have the KPEV green version 34988 which is also based on the same metal body, and the Primex 3010, which is a simplified Marklin 3098. Thank you Ray, From my pictures above, can you say which loco is mine ? I have no informations about her, I have it since I was 6y/o, and after 41 years, I have nothing else except the loco, neither the tender. Can somebody help me to identify her so I'll be able to order the right tender for her. I'll appreciate that. Dimitris
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Western Pacific		#13 Posted : 23 March 2012 13:09:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 841 Location: Lidingö, Sweden		Originally Posted by: Dgriman Thank you Ray, From my pictures above, can you say which loco is mine ? I have no informations about her, I have it since I was 6y/o, and after 41 years, I have nothing else except the loco, neither the tender. Can somebody help me to identify her so I'll be able to order the right tender for her. I'll appreciate that. Dimitris Is this the photo you are referring to? Originally Posted by: Dgriman the locomotive running very smooth and you can see the new lights Mar-3098 (BR38)-4122 by dgriman, on Flickr In that case you should try to get hold of a "Wannentender" as it is called in German, because 38 1807 was the 3098. I have it, but not available to take a photo. However, both my own database and Helmut Kern ( http://www.hfkern.gmxhome.de/ )give 38 1807 as being the 3098. This picture (that you have posted earlier) shows the right tender: and this even if the Italian site gives it as 3099. You should perhaps give this eBay.de item some thought: Wannentender.
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RayF		#14 Posted : 23 March 2012 13:25:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,840 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: Dgriman Originally Posted by: RayF Hi Dimitrios, The article is misleading. Both 3098 and 3099 are essentially the same model. All that varies are the smoke deflectors and type of tender. I have the KPEV green version 34988 which is also based on the same metal body, and the Primex 3010, which is a simplified Marklin 3098. Thank you Ray, From my pictures above, can you say which loco is mine ? I have no informations about her, I have it since I was 6y/o, and after 41 years, I have nothing else except the loco, neither the tender. Can somebody help me to identify her so I'll be able to order the right tender for her. I'll appreciate that. Dimitris Have a look here: http://www.modellbahnboerse.org/3000-21.htm This website, as well as Helmut Kern's are my Marklin "Bible" http://www.bahn.hfkern.d...aerklin/Dt_Loks_D38.html ...and yes, I believe your loco is a 3098
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Dgriman		#15 Posted : 23 March 2012 13:30:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 119 Location: Alimos		Originally Posted by: Western Pacific Originally Posted by: Dgriman Thank you Ray, From my pictures above, can you say which loco is mine ? I have no informations about her, I have it since I was 6y/o, and after 41 years, I have nothing else except the loco, neither the tender. Can somebody help me to identify her so I'll be able to order the right tender for her. I'll appreciate that. Dimitris Is this the photo you are referring to? Originally Posted by: Dgriman the locomotive running very smooth and you can see the new lights Mar-3098 (BR38)-4122 by dgriman, on Flickr In that case you should try to get hold of a "Wannentender" as it is called in German, because 38 1807 was the 3098. I have it, but not available to take a photo. However, both my own database and Helmut Kern ( http://www.hfkern.gmxhome.de/ )give 38 1807 as being the 3098. This picture (that you have posted earlier) shows the right tender: and this even if the Italian site gives it as 3099. You should perhaps give this eBay.de item some thought: Wannentender. Thank you very much for the help, I'll check it also from my dealers Dimitris
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RayF		#16 Posted : 23 March 2012 13:31:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,840 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		As a matter of interest, my Primex 3010 is also 38 1807. The difference is that the Primex loco has simplified valve gear. Primex 3010 Marklin 3098
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Dgriman		#17 Posted : 23 March 2012 14:29:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 119 Location: Alimos		Thanks Ray, From here, http://www.frankenbahn.de/primex/loks01E.htm, I assumed that mine is the M 3098, because I have it since 1972. Thank you all, I'm already searching for the tender. Dimitris
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Dgriman		#18 Posted : 23 March 2012 15:10:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 119 Location: Alimos		Here she is BR38 1807 - 8481 by dgriman, on Flickr
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