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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek  Originally Posted by: danmarklinman  On a slightly different subject. Marklins new 18.5 steam locomotive was I think used by SNCB and SNCF after WW1 as war reparations. Can any one confirm this as Marklin have done them in the past as a S3/6
During the first procurement phase (numbers 18.401-424, 18.425-434, 18.461-478) between 1908 and 1918, the Maffei company delivered 71 engines, of which 19 moved as reparation to France and Belgium after WW I. Being one of the aforementioned 19 reparation locos, a S3/6 in the brown paint scheme of the former French state railway ETAT pulled the legendary Orient Express. Maerklin offered a model of the latter in Z gauge as part of an Orient Express package. Source (in German): http://www.zettzeit.ch/pdf/VuM_01_06.pdfThanks for the info. We might just see one in HO with a bit of luck:) I already have 8108 orient express set in Z. I got it from my parents when I was 18!! Many many years ago  I now collect Marklin HO, although an SNCF jumbo in Z with full valve gear would intice me back to Z :) HO models: https://www.marklin-user...ing-Track.aspx#post55735 |
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Another V wagon, this time loaded with what appears to be a container of washrooms/toilets?  regards Kimball |
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow  Another V wagon, this time loaded with what appears to be a container of washrooms/toilets?  regards Kimball I have seen works trains with these on and a retired DB V100. Now that Marklin have retooled these diesels I woundered if they will do one in track company's such as seco Rail or others!! They did one some years ago for the channel tunnel construction. |
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Originally Posted by: jvuye  Cool model and perfectly in its place in NE France. Speaking of NE network did you know that it is the only region in France where trains run on the right(side) track, like in Germany ?
Cheers
Hi, To follow up on this, I found a network map (as of 2006) which indeed shows the right side running. With acknowledgment to Rail Passion magazine. It appears that in this modern day, bi-directional running is allowed on the main lines (in red), but the old rules still apply on the secondary lines (in blue). And you can see at Molsheim/Mutzig south west of Strasbourg, where the right hand running changes to left hand running (and vice versa) by means of a flyover.  regards Kimball |
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Quote:From BR 01097 (on pg 1 post #17) I'm sharing the picture we who use Märklin to model the French railway system always hope to find: il ressemble au mistral qui suivi par une série des voitures de grands lignes qui pourraient être prises facilement pour des modèles de #346/3J et #4076.
Still having a bit of trouble selecting the appropriate dining (if there is one) for this consist--maybe one from the DSG. Sage: Found this article (en Français) - (you may already know of this; if so, please excuse the repeat): http://fr.1001mags.com/parution...age-56-57-texte-integral and the following 5 pages. I do have a question: Are you bound for your "Mistral" to just our beloved Mother M? (Whisper Mode On  ) I am using the Pocher 206/3 CIWL Pullman and hope to find the Pocher 214/3 CIWL Restaurant. The reason being that the Pocher have no 'destination boards/markings' so I can, well, basically, use them anywhere but especially for Le Mistral. (Whisper Mode Off  ) Enjoy! Jimmy |
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson  Quote:From BR 01097 (on pg 1 post #17) I'm sharing the picture we who use Märklin to model the French railway system always hope to find: il ressemble au mistral qui suivi par une série des voitures de grands lignes qui pourraient être prises facilement pour des modèles de #346/3J et #4076.
Still having a bit of trouble selecting the appropriate dining (if there is one) for this consist--maybe one from the DSG. Sage: Found this article (en Français) - (you may already know of this; if so, please excuse the repeat): http://fr.1001mags.com/parution...age-56-57-texte-integral and the following 5 pages. I do have a question: Are you bound for your "Mistral" to just our beloved Mother M? (Whisper Mode On  ) I am using the Pocher 206/3 CIWL Pullman and hope to find the Pocher 214/3 CIWL Restaurant. The reason being that the Pocher have no 'destination boards/markings' so I can, well, basically, use them anywhere but especially for Le Mistral. (Whisper Mode Off  ) Enjoy! Jimmy Pocher's Pulmann car + Restaurant car will do , but they are hard to find! On the other hand there are plenty of Jouef similar coaches that could do the trick, unless you really want to have scale models...which the Märklin coaches aren't anyway. And then you still need the (blue) generator car that was made by VB |
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My Pocher Pullman was pure, complete, unadulterated good luck - right time, right place on fleabay! Quote:And then you still need the (blue) generator car that was made by VB Talk about "hard to find" Oy!  And I think VB was the only house to make the generator car (correct?) Jimmy |
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I now only have the the VB Mistral locomotive, but it may be VB-Lejeune, not sure how to tell the difference. The coaches and and the blue generator car have long since been lost. Too many children!
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson  Quote:And then you still need the (blue) generator car that was made by VB Talk about "hard to find" Oy! Jimmy I have two of them...that's one too many. Not cheap either |
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Quote:I have two of them...that's one too many.Wink Not cheap either Well, you could run 2 trains, one "each way". Or... Jimmy |
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While on the subject of 'Le Mistral" and the generator wagon, what was its purpose? I think I can understand when it was under steam power in its early days, perhaps the electrical demands were more than a steam lok or car-axle generators could generate (I may be off the mark here also  ...)? But why when the route was electrified and being hauled by the BB92nn? Were the demands still more than the lok and catenary could provide? Thanks, Jimmy |
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I have also stumbled across this, though some may already know of this prototype resource: http://openarchives.sncf.com/ Great images of SNCF Jimmy |
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson  While on the subject of 'Le Mistral" and the generator wagon, what was its purpose? I think I can understand when it was under steam power in its early days, perhaps the electrical demands were more than a steam lok or car-axle generators could generate (I may be off the mark here also  ...)? But why when the route was electrified and being hauled by the BB92nn? Were the demands still more than the lok and catenary could provide? Thanks, Jimmy I thought it was for the air conditioning?
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson  While on the subject of 'Le Mistral" and the generator wagon, what was its purpose? I think I can understand when it was under steam power in its early days, perhaps the electrical demands were more than a steam lok or car-axle generators could generate (I may be off the mark here also  ...)? But why when the route was electrified and being hauled by the BB92nn? Were the demands still more than the lok and catenary could provide? Thanks, Jimmy Good observations! The electrification of the "Imperial line" Paris Lyon Marseille (Cannes) occurred in the late 40's and through the 1960's First electrified section was Paris Lyon. But in those day, the SNCF was still using the pre-war standard electrical system of 1500 V DC. (only later, newer electrification were made with 25kV/ 50 hz) This implied a number of load limitations on these lines and the Mistral was really the first commercially used train to be fully AC equiped and the power demand (about 480 kW for the whole consist) would exceed what the older electric locos could supply. (e.g. 2D2, CC 7100) Besides, the generator cars were designed to produce AC current , which is much more efficient to ditribute along and run motors/pumps/fans of the trains' air conditionning system The section from Lyon to Marseille and onward remained under steam for a some time and thus the generator car also kept running for a long time. The section along the Cote d'Azur from Marseille to Cannes was later served with diesels (BB 67000) but occasionally a few steam locos of the 141R type had to intervene. So one could say that the Mistral was probably the only TEE ever to be operated under steam! The original Mistral 56 coaches (plus a few upgraded CIWL restaurant and pullman cars) with their generator cars were later used on some international TEE services like the Goethe and the Arbalète BTW, the concept of generator car was also used a little later (and on a even bigger scale) by the Italian FS for the supply of their fabulous range of TEE coaches used both internationally (e.g. on the Mediolanum and the Lemano) and internally (e.g. Ambrosiano, Vesuvio, etc.) |
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson  Quote:I have two of them...that's one too many.Wink Not cheap either Well, you could run 2 trains, one "each way". Or... Jimmy They have both been "used" , but are in decent shape, and a reasonabme match with the Märklin coaches . Interested in one? |
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Jacques, Fabulous Information Indeed PM sent... Jimmy |
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I felt that I should drag this back as we have some new members, and who knows (?) there may be some more information in re our "French Connection"? ( still have my (other) coaches (Lima 9107 and Pocher CIWL 206/3 to run Le Mistral and my 2164 1999 M Club Car) as well as 4 Bordeaux wine cars (!) kind of waiting to acquire a bog-standard analogue 3038 BB 9200 )...just enough for my tres petite layout Peace...Paix Edited by user 17 June 2022 00:50:59(UTC)
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Has anyone integrated a good amount of Jouef into their French 3-rail aka Marklin setups?
Was looking at a few coaches that a french has and thinking of trying my hand at upgrade and wheelset adjustment. |
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Hello Mark, I have quite a few of the 1960s Jouef and Hornby Acho 2 axle freight, and Acho passsenger cars. I use C track and put Märklin wheels on the freight. The Acho passenger cars seem to be OK with the original wheels. The couplers can be an issue on the older models. I managed to get NEM adaptors specifically for these older Jouef and Hornby 2 axle wagons from YD models in France. http://www.ydmodels.com/catalog...ef3f1b10743920d4c903e117As for era VI, I do have a few current issue Jouef and Rivarossi SNCF freight running without changing the wheelsets. Maybe bogie cars or wagons are far more forgiving regarding wheels than 2 axle types on a Märklin layout. But I just try them and change if necessary. Kimball Edited by user 01 July 2022 10:48:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow  .... Maybe bogie cars or wagons are far more forgiving regarding wheels than 2 axle types on a Märklin layout. But I just try them and change of necessary. - Kimball Thank you Kimball, all quite helpful. So far I tried a few Piko and Rivarossi along with Roco that have worked well on C-track, but not so well on M-track. Going over points/switches is where the snags come in from time to time. On another note, I have wondered if one can see older SNCF rolling stock in motion in Morocco. I have been scouting around some websites and have thought of the possibility of doing a holiday (our 25th this year) flying into Casablanca and taking train down to Marrakech. Only just a thought so far... but the blogs and sites are saying the service is not far off from that of European train travel only much much cheaper. However, I have yet to look into the TGV "Al Boraq" that was inaugurated in 2018. If anyone has any words on this .... i know its a big jump in discussion from Jouef to actually taking the TGV in Morocco. |
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Here is a pretty good video for SNCF geeks... as this ONCF Train "Al Boraq" and line was built under contract with the SNCF. They could not however call it the TGV for branding reasons and its the RGV "Train set" instead of "Train". Some other interesting features in the video... |
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