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Offline Deborail  
#1 Posted : 21 February 2010 08:30:53(UTC)
Deborail

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I have a little problem with my new trix krokodil - I have fixed a dc decoder (uhlenbrock 76320) and it works fine apart from the lights....I have no lights in either direction. I have tried inserting the decoder plug the other way round, but it is still the same, I programmed the decoder each time, still no lights, but motion is proper. I am sure there something wrong here but I can't pin point it....
George

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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 21 February 2010 11:57:45(UTC)
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Have you replaced the light bulbs?
The TRIX bulbs draw so much current, that either the overload protection will turn the lights off (this happened with my ESU decoder) or the decoder might let blue smoke out.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Deborail  
#3 Posted : 21 February 2010 12:19:27(UTC)
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I didn't replace them, because they are new, actually the loco is brand new. Maybe the reason is because my decoder is 1A. Maybe the loco draws more than 1A, though i doubt it. You mean there is an overload protection system in the decoder, or is it in the loco circuits? After running, the decoder feels a bit warm but not too much....Confused
George

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Offline Piggy  
#4 Posted : 21 February 2010 12:48:53(UTC)
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I think 1A is total or for the motor, the max for light/Aux is around 250mA on most decoders!
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Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 21 February 2010 16:27:16(UTC)
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Deborail wrote:
I didn't replace them, because they are new, actually the loco is brand new.

That's what I tried with mine, too - and it didn't work.
The light bulbs are for 12 V - at 22 V (digital track voltage) they draw too much current. I dimmed the brightness of the lamps down to level 1 and they still didn't glow.

Remember: with the Swiss croc, there are always three light bulbs on! Two of the new 19 V light bulbs (low current) are the limit for e. g. the 60760 decoder.
Three of the high current low voltage Trix light bulbs are too much for an ordinary decoder. (Typically the light outputs are specified for 250 mA or so.)

ESU decoders have protected light outputs. The lights of my croc worked with new 19 V light bulbs.
If lights still don't work with new light bulbs, then the function outputs of the decoder could be fried (if it doesn't have overload protection (but AFAIK at least some Uhlenbrock decoders have protection)).
Regards
Tom
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Offline Goofy  
#6 Posted : 21 February 2010 21:15:17(UTC)
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The lightbulbs should work,since locomotiv is equppied with interface which says lightbulbs are ready for digitalsystem too!
It´s problably wrong lightbulbs from factory installed.
Change to 19 Volts lightbulbs itemnumber:610008(?)
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Offline H0  
#7 Posted : 21 February 2010 21:33:33(UTC)
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Goofy wrote:
The lightbulbs should work,since locomotiv is equppied with interface which says lightbulbs are ready for digitalsystem too!


Trix 22340 manual wrote:
This locomotive is equipped with an electrical interface connection for digital operation (NEM Standard 652) and can be retrofitted with the 66837 Selectrix locomotive decoder.

ESU LokPilot 3.0 is to weak for these light bulbs.

Replacement light bulb 610080 (or other types with even smaller current).
Regards
Tom
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Offline Deborail  
#8 Posted : 22 February 2010 13:53:13(UTC)
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Hey guys - I am pleased to say that the krokodil lights are now functioning properly.

Due to my electronic ineptitude, I may have inserted the decoder the wrong way round and even if it was the right way round, I was a bit scared to fully press the plug in, so it was the case of loose contact....

Even so, the krokodil comes to life without the lights on and when it moves a bit, then they come on. I don't know why this is so....I wish they had put LEDs instead of light bulbs, I suppose they wanted to re-create the vintage feel...

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Offline eduard71  
#9 Posted : 22 February 2010 15:27:18(UTC)
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Dear Geoerge,
Be carefull with the light bulbs on your Trix kroko. Last year I bought the weathered Trix version of the Kroco and I had the same problem. The model comes with 16V bulbs and you need to exchange it for 19V bulbs. Even if the 16V bulbs works they will be to bright and they will become very hot, melting the special plastic difusor that makes the Swiss light exchange efect.
Open your kroko and see if he lights are hot or are melting the difusor.

Regards
Eduardo
Offline pa-pauls  
#10 Posted : 22 February 2010 16:01:25(UTC)
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Yes George, I agree with Thomas (H0) and Eduardo, you should change the bulbs to 610080 (19Volt) ThumpUp
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Offline Deborail  
#11 Posted : 23 February 2010 13:19:56(UTC)
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Are you sure that the bulbs on the trix 22340 are not already 19V?? When I buy new bulbs, can I change them easily?? How does one change the bulbs??Blink
George

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Offline Purellum  
#12 Posted : 23 February 2010 14:46:39(UTC)
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Cool

Quote:
How does one change the bulbs?? Blink


I found this on a Jaguar Forum:

How many forum members does it take to change a lightbulb?

1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed.

14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently.

7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.

1 to move it to the Lighting section.

2 to argue then move it to the Electricals section

1 to move it to the "lucas prince of darkness thread"

7 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs

5 to flame the spell checkers

3 to correct spelling/grammar flames

6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb"
... another 6 to condemn those 6 as stupid

2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp"

15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb"
is perfectly correct

19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this
discussion to a lightbulb forum

11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs
and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum

36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy
the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique
and what brands are faulty

7 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs

4 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected
URL's

3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this
group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group

13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all
headers and signatures, and add "Me too"

5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot
handle the light bulb controversy

4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?"

13 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about
light bulbs"

18 who trip over each other in their rush to say "repost!"

1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again.

The above makes me so happy to be in a Marklin forum LOL LOL LOL

Per.

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Offline RayF  
#13 Posted : 23 February 2010 15:53:55(UTC)
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Deborail wrote:
Are you sure that the bulbs on the trix 22340 are not already 19V?? When I buy new bulbs, can I change them easily?? How does one change the bulbs??Blink


Hi George, the exploded diagram at the end of the handbook for your loco shows that there are two bulbs at each end, and they are 12V.

There is nothing in the book about having to change the bulbs when inserting a decoder into the NEM socket. Perhaps the recommended decoder (selectrix) is happy with 12V bulbs?

If you wish to play it safe and change the bulbs, the instruction book also shows how to remove the end hoods to gain access to the bulbs. The bulbs themselves are a push fit, and easy to swap.

If you don't have the instruction book, it can be downloaded from the Trix website.
Ray
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Offline rrf  
#14 Posted : 23 February 2010 17:22:00(UTC)
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Purellum wrote:
Cool

Quote:
How does one change the bulbs?? Blink


I found this on a Jaguar Forum:

<Insane stuff deleted>

The above makes me so happy to be in a Marklin forum LOL LOL LOL

Per.

Cool


Wow!

At first I thought this was a creative work of humor. But then as I read further along, I realized it would be impossible for one person to create such insanity. Only a group of very silly people are capable of that.

I too concur with your assessment of this forum!

Thank you for the morning laugh,
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Offline nevw  
#15 Posted : 24 February 2010 02:18:17(UTC)
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rrf wrote:
Purellum wrote:
Cool

Quote:
How does one change the bulbs?? Blink


I found this on a Jaguar Forum:

<Insane stuff deleted>

The above makes me so happy to be in a Marklin forum LOL LOL LOL

Per.

Cool


Wow!

At first I thought this was a creative work of humor. But then as I read further along, I realized it would be impossible for one person to create such insanity. Only a group of very silly people are capable of that.

I too concur with your assessment of this forum!

Thank you for the morning laugh,



DO not fret too much Per is crazy enough to be 6 people just on his own.
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Offline Deborail  
#16 Posted : 24 February 2010 09:08:54(UTC)
Deborail

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I somehow knew that when I asked for how to change the light bulb...a humourous reply would come along....BigGrin

But thanks to Ray for clearing it up....
George

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Offline Deborail  
#17 Posted : 24 February 2010 09:52:28(UTC)
Deborail

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I used my volt meter and I found that the voltage existing on the tracks is 19V AC.
George

Given enough time, tasks manage themselves.
Offline RayF  
#18 Posted : 24 February 2010 11:28:50(UTC)
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Deborail wrote:
I used my volt meter and I found that the voltage existing on the tracks is 19V AC.


What about the voltage that the decoder supplies to the bulbs? It could be that you can reduce this from the decoder CVs, and then you don't have to change the bulbs.
Ray
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Offline Piggy  
#19 Posted : 24 February 2010 11:34:38(UTC)
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I was thinking if is possible to remove some of the bulbs, say in one end of the loco, so the decoder only have to drive one lamp, just to check the decoder and wirering is okay?
Regards
Kenneth
CS1 update - K & C tracks - German Era 3B & 4, with some Swiss and Austrian visitors. - My Layout
Offline Deborail  
#20 Posted : 24 February 2010 12:41:43(UTC)
Deborail

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RayPayas wrote:
Deborail wrote:
I used my volt meter and I found that the voltage existing on the tracks is 19V AC.


What about the voltage that the decoder supplies to the bulbs? It could be that you can reduce this from the decoder CVs, and then you don't have to change the bulbs.


This makes sense, and I suspect that the uhlenbrock 76320 already does that. But I will contact Uhlenbrock to see if that is the case. I will also try to read the decoder instructions....but my german is poor. However i tested the temperature of the bulbs and it feels only slightly warm after 30 miutes or so of driving...It certainly doesn't look like it will melt the surroundings....Maybe that is the case of a trix loco converted to AC??? because mine is still DC, but it uses pulse DC....
George

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