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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by MarioFabro<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jeehring
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They have choosen the "TGV POS": logical choice, this train is rolling in Germany and Switzerland as well. Making an ICE 3 and a TGV passing each other should be a nice sight.
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Roland, do you know how far it gets into Switzerland? Geneve? or does it reach more inside. TGV looks very attractive to me, of course it need to be the complete train so it will be quite a budget amount. I am in also for 37320 and 37321 this year. Plus the swiss mega starter set if it has a CS2. I only don't like the RE 4/4 IV on the 29019 set. My Paris-Basel-Zurich Paris-Genève Paris-Lausanne-Berne.... Have a look on this map about TGV trains outside of France in 2009: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Carte_TGV.svg
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If i´m thinking in the right way...i don´t think this TGV will been arrived out in full metal body. Plastic body while underframe is metal.  |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Goofy<br />If i´m thinking in the right way...i don´t think this TGV will been arrived out in full metal body. Plastic body while underframe is metal. I think the coaches will be plastic with interior lighting. On a French Forum it is said that the 2 loco (engine) will be with metal body ...(this must be verified- I have a doubt me too, in view of the ICE 3) On the French market this TGV will be wellcome. I often read people complaining about the mechanical defects and imprecision of the Jouef-Lima ( some models of TGV were designed and made by Mehano as a subcontractor for Jouef - I don't know which one...).
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I really would like to know what sits in the megastarter kits. I found this 29500 H0 DB III Digi-Start E50/50/CS2 N10 1699,95  |
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Thanks Davy,
So that is, if I read you correctly
A CS2
An E50
A Br50
Not sure what you mean by N10, but is that a Br10 'Black Swan' 'Neubaulokomotive'?
Presumably with track, coaches / freight cars, etc, etc.
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The current Jouef models are based on the former Lima product line. The Lima versions were neither rugged or reliable. The plastic was brittle and the motors had a tendency to burn out after a few hours of operation.
The Mehano models were simpler, but more reliable. Mehano made the Jouef Eurostar hich was also originally sold by Hornby before Hornby prodeuced a OO scale model.
I personally will welcome the Marklin TGV model with a reliable drive train. Metal engine bodies would be great bonus! |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />Thanks Davy,
So that is, if I read you correctly
A CS2
An E50
A Br50
Not sure what you mean by N10, but is that a Br10 'Black Swan' 'Neubaulokomotive'?
Presumably with track, coaches / freight cars, etc, etc.
N10 is neuheit 2010. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by MarioFabro<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jeehring
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They have choosen the "TGV POS": logical choice, this train is rolling in Germany and Switzerland as well. Making an ICE 3 and a TGV passing each other should be a nice sight.
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Roland, do you know how far it gets into Switzerland? Geneve? or does it reach more inside. TGV looks very attractive to me, of course it need to be the complete train so it will be quite a budget amount. I am in also for 37320 and 37321 this year. Plus the swiss mega starter set if it has a CS2. I only don't like the RE 4/4 IV on the 29019 set. My Mario, the TGV POS is specifically the TGV which operates on the Paris (Gare de l'Est) to Strasbourg High Speed Line. Trains on this line continue as far as Stuttgart (Germany) and as far as Zuerich and Chur (Switzerland). The route into Switzerland connects to the High Speed Line via Basel and Mulhouse. From there, the trains continue to Strasbourg, where they are coupled to the segment from Strasbourg or Germany for the trip to Paris. The TGV Lyria are older TGV Sets which are used to connect Paris (Gare de Lyon) with Geneva, Lausanne and Bern (CH). One trainset used to continue past Lausanne all the way to Brig, but currently only goes as far as Aigle. Here is the full size photo of the TGV Model from Maerklin NL http://www.marklin.nl/nieuws/tr...ge/image_view_fullscreenFor more info on TGV into Switzerland, check out www.reisezuege.chLyria: http://www.reisezuege.ch/reisez...action=9&tfah_id=147POS: http://www.reisezuege.ch/reisez...action=9&tfah_id=230Regards Mike C
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Davy<br />I really would like to know what sits in the megastarter kits. I found this 29500 H0 DB III Digi-Start E50/50/CS2 N10 1699,95 That will work out about the same (or slightly more expensive) as the starter set 29680; arguably better value considering you also get a steamer for the price. Interesting if Marklin would indeed bundle their CS2 with this mega set. Prepare for a greater discount for CS2? |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy
<br />N10 is neuheit 2010.
Thanks Davy. [:I][:I] You might start to see starter sets with CS2 being broken up and sold on ebay. Tim, from memory I think we paid around $1800 NZD for 29840, these sets are much more expensive than that. That was the set with the Class 85, 55 and a CS1.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
You might start to see starter sets with CS2 being broken up and sold on ebay.
Tim, from memory I think we paid around $1800 NZD for 29840, these sets are much more expensive than that. That was the set with the Class 85, 55 and a CS1.
Hi Dave, After applying 20% disc of RRP as usually done by German dealers; it's price is actually quite close to 29680. If all the extras included in the packaging is similar to that set; arguably it is a better value; one SDS lok, one DCM large steamer with tender, and CS2. Well, CS2 is more expensive than the first CS - so it'll count for the increase in price. 29840 was priced in the region of 29821 and 29851, I think; with just very few basic extras other than the "standard" C-track layout with 24671/2. OTOH Marklin needs to be careful with such expensive packaging - which would really just encourage dealers to break them up. I mean... it's easier to move a slightly discounted single CS2, E50, and BR 50 as opposed to a large set; which would require so much investment from a customer in just one purchase! I would have thought the 2009 Mega Sets are safer bet for Marklin.. |
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Thanks everyone for the great information.
It seems to me that the announcements are earlier than ever; which is great!
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TimR wrote:Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
You might start to see starter sets with CS2 being broken up and sold on ebay.
Tim, from memory I think we paid around $1800 NZD for 29840, these sets are much more expensive than that. That was the set with the Class 85, 55 and a CS1.
Hi Dave, After applying 20% disc of RRP as usually done by German dealers; it's price is actually quite close to 29680. If all the extras included in the packaging is similar to that set; arguably it is a better value; one SDS lok, one DCM large steamer with tender, and CS2. Well, CS2 is more expensive than the first CS - so it'll count for the increase in price. 29840 was priced in the region of 29821 and 29851, I think; with just very few basic extras other than the "standard" C-track layout with 24671/2. OTOH Marklin needs to be careful with such expensive packaging - which would really just encourage dealers to break them up. I mean... it's easier to move a slightly discounted single CS2, E50, and BR 50 as opposed to a large set; which would require so much investment from a customer in just one purchase! I would have thought the 2009 Mega Sets are safer bet for Marklin.. I don't agree this set will not be make in a great amount and dealers have to pay first and then get delivered.And there not much dealer who can pay for 100 of this kind of mega sets. And there are less and less dealers who give 20% discount more common is 10 and 15%. |
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Davy wrote:And there are less and less dealers who give 20% discount more common is 10 and 15%. I can't speak for 2010 yet, but I got my Big Boy 2009 with a 25% discount. I don't get that much discount for Insider or MHI models and discounts may be slightly lower for starter sets, but I think we'll see those mega starter sets with 20+% discount. |
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Yeah, I got my Big Boy with 25% off RRP, then VAT off that.
499 eur sounds way much better than 799 eur!
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Davy wrote:
And there are less and less dealers who give 20% discount more common is 10 and 15%.
As Tom and Dave have stated; on average 20% discount off RRP is pretty common. I got somewhere around 30% discount when I bought my starter set 29851 (it was on special - no catch!) - so pricing is relative, and can depend on your luck. I'd like to think that the RRP is deliberately made to look more expensive than what the items should cost. MHI and Insider have no discount usually. |
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jeehring wrote:Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Goofy<br />If i´m thinking in the right way...i don´t think this TGV will been arrived out in full metal body. Plastic body while underframe is metal. I think the coaches will be plastic with interior lighting. On a French Forum it is said that the 2 loco (engine) will be with metal body ...(this must be verified- I have a doubt me too, in view of the ICE 3) On the French market this TGV will be wellcome. If engine will been arrived with metalbody and coaches with lighting,then in case the prices would been much higher!  |
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Pictures of TGV and Gläserner Zug  : [img]http://www.marklin.nl/nieuws/tres-grande-vitesse/image[/img]   RMW Edited by user 08 January 2010 20:37:29(UTC)
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Some more info about the two new Marklin locs.
The TGV has lighting with warm white leds and has 15 functions with a CS.
The other loc the glasloc has also more then 5 functions. With f5 you dim the led lighting. |
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Davy wrote:The TGV has lighting with warm white leds and has 15 functions with a CS.
15 functions?!?!?!   That would be amazing!!! RMW |
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That is what my dealer says 15 functions with a CS. Breaking sound, closing of the doors sound, so I make the conclusion the TGV has a full sound decoder.
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Hi! Goofy wrote:Quote:quote:Originally posted by Davy
37790 TGV POS UPE 469,95 €
43420 TGV POS Ergänzungs-Set 1 UPE 139,95 €
43430 TGV POS Ergänzungs-Set 2 UPE 139,95 €
43440 TGV POS Ergänzungs-Set 3 UPE 139,95 € 889,80 euro...! First dealer is online with pre-order prices: 669,80 for the complete train ... (thass a 25 % discount) http://www.modelleisenbahnen-seitz.de/They even ship to "Newsealand" (sic) but I'm not sure if they deduct VAT. I think it's too early to order anyway. |
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15 functions and lighting at coaches in prices of about 470 euro...??? I don´t think so... Then in case...made in China!!!  |
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I like the look of the Gläserner zug. And I specially like the light blue colour in the picture above. Does anyone know for sure that this is the version that will be produced? The info I've got from my German dealer shows an epoche IV version with a much darker blue colour...
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mjrallare wrote:I like the look of the Gläserner zug. And I specially like the light blue colour in the picture above. Does anyone know for sure that this is the version that will be produced? The info I've got from my German dealer shows an epoche IV version with a much darker blue colour...
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mjrallare wrote:I like the look of the Gläserner zug. Me too but I want a era 3 version  |
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Hi,
Interesting new models, thanks for the information.
Where in Germany did the Gläserner zug run?
And how many were built?
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kimballthurlow wrote:Hi,
Interesting new models, thanks for the information.
Where in Germany did the Gläserner zug run?
And how many were built?
regards
Kimball See for information: Gläsernerzug.de and Märklin NL. Märklin NL: "In 1935 werd van 14 juli tot 13 oktober in Neurenberg tijdens de tentoonstelling “100 Jahre Deutsche Eisenbahn” een bijzonder treinstel gepresenteerd: het "glazen" panoramatreinstel. Ze reden in de Beierse en Oostenrijkse Alpen voornamelijk voor toeristisch verkeer."RMW |
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Lokshop had posted an estimated release date of 06/10 for TGV and the Gläserner zug for 10/10.
Keep in mind that they're not always accurate.. |
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In March 2008 I took a TGV from Milan to Chambery. It was not "high speed", (vitesse normale as they say). I think the high speed line is after Chambery.
It would look good with Era V Italian trains.
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New picture of the TGV POS:  RMW |
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Wow! Thanks for posting this, Davy.. Those pics sure clear the air surrounding 29500 and 29814.. apparantly both will come with CS2. As I thought, the Swiss set included an Ae 8/14 - for the price I'd expect that the double lok would have two SDS motors. I wish that BR 58 in gauge 1 is available for HO... |
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Very nice, thanks Davy. That 29500 set sure is tempting, with CS2, as I originally suspected..... The freight cars on the E50 look the same as those in the 29015 cancelled set (that had a class 41 for the freight train) Edited by user 11 January 2010 13:08:28(UTC)
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Yep a br 58 in Ho I would buy for sure.
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I don't recognise the loco in this set. Any info anyone?  |
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RayPayas wrote:I don't recognise the loco in this set Not me either Ray. Strange Anybody has more information ? |
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It seems to be described as being "similar to" 36871. The body is totally different though. It looks a bit like the Prussian T7:  Most likely it is yet another in Marklin's line of cheap "fantasy" locos, using the chassis of the 36871 but with a body looking a bit more "German". |
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Hello all, "29163 Mein Start mit Märklin mit Lok ähnlich 36871 UPE 109,95 €" M. 36871 Gauge: H0 >>> Era: I-V Prototype: Wet steam locomotive based on a provincial railroad design. 0-6-0T wheel arrangement. Model: The locomotive comes with a digital decoder. 1 axle powered. Traction tire. The locomotive has coupler hooks. Length over the buffers 10.8 cm / 4-1/4". RMW |
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RMW wrote:Hello all, "29163 Mein Start mit Märklin mit Lok ähnlich 36871 UPE 109,95 €" M. 36871Gauge: H0 >>> Era: I-V Prototype: Wet steam locomotive based on a provincial railroad design. 0-6-0T wheel arrangement. Model: The locomotive comes with a digital decoder. 1 axle powered. Traction tire. The locomotive has coupler hooks. Length over the buffers 10.8 cm / 4-1/4". RMW Thanks, Maikel, A photo always helps. I think they have used the chassis of this model with a new tooling body. |
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Davy: Thanks for the links to the pictures. Did you notice that the MS2/CS2 starter sets now come with turnout motors and decoders? I would prefer this, but I wonder why the decision now?--MM |
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Hi! mascagni wrote:Did you notice that the MS2/CS2 starter sets now come with turnout motors and decoders? The Swiss CS1 starter set also included turnout motors and decoders. MS2 can switch turnouts - with MS1 it made no sense. Maybe they hope that people who already have digital turnouts will only buy more digital turnouts - instead of switching manually. |
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I have read in the Stummi forum that BR81 will have new 'can' motor. |
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steventrain wrote:I have read in the Stummi forum that BR81 will have new 'can' motor. Hi Steventrain, You mean the locomotive in the 29539 starter set? Picture:  RMW |
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The CS II Starter Sets are very nice !!!   RMW |
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Hi!
Mr. Pluta said: "Fans dürften sich auf rund 400 Neuerscheinungen freuen - so viel wie im vergangenen Jahr"
Fans can expect 400 new items - as many as last year.
What we know so far is only the tip of the ice cube!
400 new items => 200 new Märklin items, but 90+ % will be colour variations of existing items. |
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