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Goofy
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22 February 2009 22:23:05(UTC)
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Stainless steel is so called "rustfrei stahl".
It´s not possible to solder Marklins rail.
That´s way nickelsilver is far better than stainless steel.
Nickelsilver has better contact too.
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News 20/2/09
Nuremberg: Trix not yet at the last stop.
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Märklin coworkers are afraid for their location - products let dream .
NUREMBERG - property two weeks is the failure of the model course manufacturer Märklin ago and with it its Nürnberger traditional brands Trix and LGB. On the play since then the last manufacturing plant of the industry stands in the city, which belonged once to its centers.
There is small masterpieces, which lie on the table before Renate Stauber. Click, click - in wind hurry the 56-Jährige Trix woman employee in the light of the neon tube with tweezers and speedy fingers installs tiny steps onto a steam locomotive housing. No job for Grobmotoriker. But the trouble is worth, because at the end it stands there: the S3/6 of the royally Bavarian state railway, for many fans the Schnellzuglokomotive absolutely. Naturally not in Originalgröße, but on a scale 1:160 - drive off ready for the employment in the model course. Stauber builds not only metal and plastic up, but wakes always also a dream.
Derailed market leader
59 coworkers still work on the Nürnberger Märklin location in the Witschelstraße. From here the market leader derailed steers its daughter marks Trix and LGB. In gloss times alone Trix counted 420 persons employed. Today the handful of the remaining settles above all desk jobs like the purchase for both marks, the products develops predominantly in Hungary and China. A looking assembly for Trix steam engines remained only - also straight times for four coworkers.
“As #146; s is to go to us “, asks Stauber rhetorically. A mixture from grind and fear swings also. A shock is the insolvency for it, which installs for 24 years for Trix, with the mark feels deformed. “The development does pain. “Delivered and powerless one feels.
“We believe in surviving”
Do not give up certainly is applicable for Stauber and their 58 colleagues. “We believe in our chance of survival “, say Bernd Sickinger, head of the works council at the location. Hope rests now particularly on insolvency administrator Michael Pluta, from which it has a good first impression. Its spokeswoman meanwhile does not want to speculate upon the perspectives of the Nürnberger of work rather. The documents were still examined.
Only with the head to vibrate Stauber can meanwhile in view of the always new details, which over the procedures with Märklin under the last chief partner before the insolvency - who British financial investor Kingsbridge - to the light come. They draw the picture of a chief partner, who excluded Märklin systematically. Thus the enterprise suffered for instance after information Financial Times Germany under expensive loans and horrenden payments for advisors, who stood in no relation to the conversion of last 128 millions €. “There the eyes “, explained also insolvency administrator Pluta water. Kingsbridge was not to be achieved yesterday for a statement.
Illusion of the sound world
“We want to work nevertheless only in peace “, say Stauber swearing to. The fact that she finds a new job at her age again does not believe her. Illusions over the difficult situation it does not make itself. A bitter time for, with its work the already so many fans the illusion of the sound world of the railway in the small model course made possible.
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22 February 2009 23:10:52(UTC)
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News 21/2/09
MÄRKLIN: Dirty ones cheat.
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Which ran with Märklin under the auspice of the British financial investor Kingsbridge, resembles ever more a restaurant crime film. The “large railway robbery” has everything that constitutes a thriller: Shame lots investor, cover firms in tax havens, raffgierige managers, addicted advisors and dubious funds transfers. With Märklin was obviously modern Raubitter at the work, which plundered the enterprise without consideration for losses. The coworkers or the well-being of the company did not play a role with the Big Business. The Märklin locomotive was driven consciously to the wall. The relentless stocktaking of the deputy provisional insolvency administrator Fritz Zanker does not permit another conclusion.
The circumstance that “hush money” was even paid to coworkers, in order to hide dubious deal, makes the thing still worse. In addition the obscure account system comes that on the abyss let the engine drivers in the blind flight zurasen. The bosses obviously knew that their business manners were not correct. The department of white-collar crime of the Stuttgart public prosecutor's office will have probably much do, if it wants to completely clear the procedures up, which led to the failure of Märklin. Itself if the managers with their dirty should cheat to have made actually punishable, they must be pulled for responsibility - just as indulgenceless, as they dealt with Märklin and the coworkers. Whether the restaurant crime film a Happy end will have, is again questionable after the exposures of the stellvertetenden insolvency administrator Zanker. Now the obviously überhastete misalignment from production processes avenges itself to China, because Märklin is dependent on the often unreliable Chinese suppliers now. If they do not along-pull, the model course farmer has a problem.
Dramatically however dependence on the independent Märklin work in Hungary presents itself, where a majority of production runs. Because it is strange to say not insolvent, the insolvency administrator can take only indirectly on it to influence. If production away-breaks there however, Märklin is dead, says Zanker and describes thereby a sales problem: No investor, and if it possesses still so much heart blood, buys an enterprise, whose surviving is dependent on another company in such a manner. Märklin can continue only if succeeds, the work in Györ to receive. Where there's life, there's hope.
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Thankyou Steven, overall it doesn't look good, both at Marklin and around the world. Bob
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Poor workers [:(] - now also their last remaining jobs go to China ...
BTW, China. Remember years back when some of us (with evidence)
criticised M's China connection.
You will also remember when a certain "Super-Insider" [xx(][xx(][xx(] called us idiots and liars for this.
And we "
better stayed on topic
" [xx(]
Well, we've been on topic - right on the money, too
Today the chips are down [}:)]. Now, friends - who's the idiot ...
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23 February 2009 12:13:16(UTC)
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Sounds like something out of a thriller novel! Hush money, dubious deals, tax havens, cheating, federal agents! Sounds like it will take years to unravel!
And to think it is a MRR manufacturer we are talking about!
Guess they'll make a movie about it in 10 years time!
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23 February 2009 12:17:23(UTC)
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Sorry, my friend - you're wrong this time
First it's a investment bank - a grasshopper [xx(] - we're dealing with. Other rules ...
If their government had the guts they'd immediately rip the stolen money out of them,
give it to the brave workers and send the bastards to the darkest jail they can find ... [}:)][}:)][}:)]
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23 February 2009 12:28:37(UTC)
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Well yes, we're talking about Investment Bankers who have done the dirty. But it's a MRR manufacturer at the heart of the matter, that have had their 'guts' ripped out!
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23 February 2009 12:31:28(UTC)
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So let's hope they can bring the poor victim back to past glory [:p]
With good will and power a government can do quite a lot. If they want ...
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23 February 2009 12:31:52(UTC)
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Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
Nothing much has changed since my last post 19/02/09.
Brown paper bag money has been used.
Employees will be stood down, how many ?
The structure of Märklin is devided and complicated, although Märklin in Göppingen is insolvent, Hungary and Chinas productions are not.
Märklin Göppingen depends on these factories to have he products finished.
Adler toys is one company that holds the strings in Hungary.
Unless the German legal institution that covers company laws, can prove that the owner of Märklin is unfit to be a company director, it doesn't have the jurisdiction over such a finding in Hungary or China.
Unless it goes to the EU commision ? and this would cover Europe or countries that are part of the EU.
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<br />So let's hope they can bring the poor victim back to past glory [:p]
With good will and power a government can do quite a lot. If they want ...
Well if the Stuttgart Public Prosecutor's office is involved, they must think there is some sort of case to be answered to. Hopefully they, or other German authorities, or EU authorities can get to the bottom of the matter. And if there is clear evidence of wrong doing in China, don't discount their ability to do something.
A NZ dairy company, Fontera, has had one of its Chinese subsidiaries involved with a tainted milk scandal. The Chinese authorities have arrested several of the Chinese executives involved, and some may face the firing squads, so it is reported. However the scandal resulted in numerous Chinese children dying, clearly that has not happened in Marklin/Kingsbridge's dealings in China, so who knows what the Chinese would do if there was any clear evidence of Kingsbridge wrong doing in China.
And before Lutz jumps in to say that Fontera's problems have nothing to do with this thread, I only offer that as an example of what the Chinese authorities could potentially do IF there was an investigation into Kingsbridge deals in China.
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Hey David - didn't know you've got firing squads in NZ (still/again) ... [:0]
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Seriously - again,
if a government is willing
they can do it. Just a stroke of the pen. That simple.
And in M's case it wouldn't cost 'em a cent. Since the stolen money is in the hands of the crooks [}:)]
As a (former) special prosecutor I know what I'm talking about.
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Well John, it's a Chinese firing squad, and Chinese nationals facing it! It was the Chinese subsidiary that was involved in the milk tainting scandal, and the Chinese execs have been brought to account for their actions by the Chinese authorities! In a rather final/terminal way I might add!
Capital punishment was outlawed here in 1961, except for treason (and that provision was removed in 1989). The last hanging in NZ was in 1957.
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Right, David - as far as I remember they poisoned/killed several people including some babies ... [:0][:(]
Those poor families ... And I must agree - the gangsters' end been quite final
[}:)]
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Yes that's correct John. Milk was tainted with melamine.
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[xx(][xx(][xx(] ... ok - have to report for duty. Have a good night, BigDaddy
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<br />[xx(][xx(][xx(] ... ok - have to report for duty. Have a good night, BigDaddy
Me too, working through the night......(more VMWare migrations, Juhan!
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<br />If really desired, this (technical) subject can and should be discussed in a separate thread.....
Good idea, there was the thread on K track rumours, maybe that should be resurrected!
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I belive that Marklin cannot survive into next 2 years.
Because economy hits against Marklin customer too,so Marklin will lossing a part of economy when customer are saving more money now.
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<br />Stainless steel is so called "rustfrei stahl".
It´s not possible to solder Marklins rail.
That´s way nickelsilver is far better than stainless steel.
Nickelsilver has better contact too.
Again: the tracks, likewise Florida, have as little to almost nothing to do with the current Märklin finance disaster.
If really desired, this (technical) subject can and should be discussed in a separate thread, since your earlier claim is as well incorrect:
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:C-tracks has besides nickelsilver and it´s not the same as rail on the K-tracks.
Just try to solder C-tracks then too.
Have you tried with glassfiber-brushes,Lutz...?
Remember here that C-rail is not the same as K-track has.
I have been thinking now,that Marklin will not problaby producing K-tracks anymore time.
Even some severals other products will been vanished from catalog.
I don´t take care of Marklin anymore time,when i have seen and are focus on other company who are producing very good strong products too...!
Sorry Marklin...
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News Flash...
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Karl-Heinz Menrad, managing director of Mother's Hungarian subsidiary, has been sacked. Hans Reyher, of the accounting section of the Mothership, also is history. This is apparently related to the transfer of 100,000 Teuro to the entity known as Adler Toy (which owns equity in M.) shortly before Mother's insolvency filing.
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I have read other topic in 'Marklin in danager', James.
Thanks for the news.
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It does sound as if Marklin is already being systematically "sold off" piece by piece. In the dark of night on weekends alas. Different creditors and others are getting what they can get while they can get it. It's like rats leaving the sinking ship and taking the grain with them.
They are also looking at the world situation which is in a downward spiral throughout. Is the end near for M? Hope not. Tragically, we are only spectators and can't really do anything but watch, but I'll still cheer for the good guys.
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Bob - you're so right. With various scenarios possible we can't know about the outcoming ...
But it's my best guess the locos, cars and track will survive - even with different owners
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It looks like what kingsbridge has done is mainly to finish Paul Adams's restructuration plan . They only have done what was already planned by Mr Adams , nothing more , excepted - may be - the closing dowm of Sonneberg factory (not sure)...
The CS 2- at this moment it was only called " a new solution" - was planned just before they bought Marklin , as it was known & admitted the partnership with ESU filed into a failure
From my part it's only my guess, as I was recently reading Paul Adams declarations at this moment & recollecting some pieces of info. I even think they didn't face properly & correctly to some new/recent problems in production...Also : a lack of anticipation
I believe Mr Paul Adams really was a great manager, also specialized in restructurations ( formerly has been driving Metabo to success)
May be : it should be interesting today for Mr Pluta to ask him what were his last impressions just before he leaves Marklin ( a few months after Kingsbridge arrival )...[}:)]
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It would be good cover to put someone of limited experience on the job of restructuring with the old plan in hand. It keeps the people busy while you loot away. Of course the simple explanation is that they didn't know what they were doing and "just tried stuff".
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The CS 2- at this moment it was only called " a new solution" - was planned just before they bought Marklin , as it was known & admitted the partnership with ESU filed into a failure
And that was for about 2 years ago...? [xx(]
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The problem is not Marklin company.
Instead it´s headmanager and closest staffpersonal faults who did controlled factory sh-t as the hell...!
Well i hope so that Marklin can survive in better way with new better people sitting at the top of Marklin company.
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<br />It keeps the people busy while you loot away.
Excellent, Ralph
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<br />They should also send their new product plans to me in advance...
Actually this is a good idea.. If Marklin used their website to ask their customers to nominate which of the possible models they would prefer to buy it could be a good indicator of potential sales.
It would not be hard or expensive to set up this either.. You just need a new database field in the existing product database named "prototype" and a way to collect the votes from customers.
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Hi guys,
Between the many-many pieces of information I have just been reading up on (organised very nicely in a special thread on Stummi's forum) THIS one especially caught my attention;
http://www.ftd.de/untern...bahnraub/475799.html?p=1
With this thread already 5 pages long, I suppose that somebody may have linked to this one already, and if so, appoligise for the double.
The Google-translations I have seen posted here are just awfull, so if you understand a little German, try to read it by yourself.
The Hink plan of deliberatly driving M. broke, and then picking up the rests of the BROKE company (thereby being free from its debts!) and restarting in the Hungary plant (which strangely enough is totally free of depths!) resembles a Hollywood script for an economic crime/drama movie.
Hair-raising!
The Company structure, including two Adler-named companies registered in Luxembourg is a whole interessting story by itself. The parallels drawn to Kunert and Orion (other companies overtaken by Kingsbridge and victims of Hink's "management") is equally interessting.
What I DONT know, is if all this is true, but coming from the German Financial Times I choose to beleive it...
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Kingsbridge (Mr. Hink) have complained against the insolvency agency statements of mismanagement and hush-money, but admitted that "not everything went as good as intended".
Alix partners have as well refused any complaints (about those extraordinary high consulting fees) by indicating that Mr. Wlecke (former Märklin "Beirat") is no longer working for them.
All standard excuses, one to make out you had good intentions, the other to blame someone who no longer works for you.
Maybe next they'll try accusing someone else in a attempt to deflect the attention away from themselves.[V]
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Can any member confirm that the plant Nuremberg is to close with the loss of 80 jobs
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<br />Can any member confirm that the plant Nuremberg is to close with the loss of 80 jobs
Confirm and confirm... I have read this in so many german news-spots, that I think it would be considered a fact already, that the plant closes. These news spots cites the Pluta office directly.
I only remember reading about 60 jobs though, and that it is still not decided if these people will be laid off or what.
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Märklin webpage, pressrelease with mr Pluta logo, 2 march.
http://produktadmin.maer...Pressemitteilung_Nbg.pdf
"Märklin factory in Nürnberg will be closed".
"By the closure will not kernel activities at all be affected" declare Pluta. It's not defined what is "kernel activities".
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You mean Trixcompany instead...?
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I don't mean anything, just reading. AFAIK Märklin has only one factory in Nürnberg, and that is the old Trix factory. It's unclear to me to what extent the fine genuine models which have the Trix feeling will disappear. I don't know to what extent any of those molds etc have been moved or will be moved to other sites; and also not if the designers from Trix are working in Göppingen now or in future.
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But you did wrote:Marklin factory in Nurnberg will been closed down...
Anyway,Trix shall move to Göppingen instead so factory at Nurnberg shall closed down.
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Interesting article suggesting that the taxpayer bailout of AIG was all about bailing out Goldman Sachs. And as we all know, Goldman Sachs, along with Kingsbridge, is one of the investors in Marklin.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/b...-bailout-investors-bleed
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