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Oscar		#1 Posted : 16 October 2009 09:51:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 783 Location: ,		<font face="Verdana]On another forum, people who have bought a lot of new Märklin this year are complaining about all sorts of defects. The problem with reports like this is that people are much more inclined to post a message when they're disappointed. I mean who would go online and say "Hey guys, I just bought a new model and it actually works!" . So no matter how many people complain in a forum, you never really know if it's the tip of the iceberg or merely a vocal minority. So to get a bit of a feel for it, I'd ask you to post a message here in this thread to states how many new Märklin products you have bought in the last 18 months, and how many of those have had problems. To keep it simple, a problem can be technical (decoder, motor, drivetrain, wobbling wheels, etc), cosmetic (chipped off paint, decoloration, etc) or structural (broken off parts, missing parts, etc). I'll start out with the stuff I've bought in the last 18 months. (Instead of listing it, I could have just said 9 items / 2 technical problems. Listing it is more work but also gives more insight into what works and what doesn't) <ul> <li>29187 starter set - flawless</li> <li>C-rail expansion sets C2, C3, C4, C5 and lots of extra rail parts - flawless</li> <li>36080 V80 - flawless</li> <li>36240 BR24 - flawless</li> <li>36421 BR132 - flawless</li> <li>37121 NS1215 - 2 different technical problems in 1 model </li> <li>39230 BR23 - flawless</li> <li>60652 Mobile station - flawless</li> <li>66191 Transformer - flawless</li> </ul> Counting all the C-rails as 1 item, my list would suggest that 2 technical problems occurred in 9 items. Obviously that's a very unreliable statement, we need more items before we can draw any kind of meaningful conclusion. To finish off, even though I was disappointed with my 37121, I'm generally very happy with the new stuff that I've bought (though that might change if it all breaks down tomorrow). I think (or hope?) that the results will indicate that things many not be as bad as some discussions on the web seem to indicate. Cheers! Oscar </font id="Verdana]
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RayF		#2 Posted : 16 October 2009 10:49:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,873 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		In the last 18 months I have bought the following new locos from Marklin: 36421 Ludmilla - One handrail popped out of place otherwise perfect 36792 Hercules OBB diesel - Perfect 37097 Br85 - Perfect 37253 Kittel railcar - Perfect 37312 Br184 electric - Perfect 37187 Br18.4 - Perfect So far, I have never had a problem with a Marklin loco straight out of the box....fingers crossed!
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Sander van Wijk		#3 Posted : 16 October 2009 10:50:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,248 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands; Göteborg, Sverige,		Hi Oscar, Interesting and quite nicely structured approach towards measuring quality you're presenting here. My - small - contribution to your statement of affairs: 39021 Baden IVh: flawless
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H0		#4 Posted : 16 October 2009 11:01:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,488 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Oscar <br />To keep it simple, a problem can be technical (decoder, motor, drivetrain, wobbling wheels, etc), cosmetic (chipped off paint, decoloration, etc) or structural (broken off parts, missing parts, etc). I'd say some problems are by design: non-prototypical antennas, wipers, handrails, misplaced or missing prints, wrong colours, etc. 18 months is a long time - I haven't compiled my list yet.
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mvd71		#5 Posted : 16 October 2009 11:38:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,944 Location: Auckland,		BR64 flawless BR24 flawless CS2 flawless (so far) 3x 28cm coaches flawless Can't think of anything else right now
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Gregor		#6 Posted : 16 October 2009 11:57:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 997 Location: Netherlands		37774 VT04: Flawless 37060 EP3/6: Flawless Gregor
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nevw		#7 Posted : 16 October 2009 11:58:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		CS2 Early edition Many Technical faults. Busted Lots of C track No Problems, Cannot tell with these yet as not have been installed Points(turnouts) Tournout Motors Decoders Digital signals
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Oscar		#8 Posted : 16 October 2009 12:23:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 783 Location: ,		Quote: quote:Originally posted by H0 <br />I'd say some problems are by design: non-prototypical antennas, wipers, handrails, misplaced or missing prints, wrong colours, etc. <font face="Verdana][size=2]Nice addition! Thanx!</font id="Verdana]
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RayF		#9 Posted : 16 October 2009 12:34:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,873 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Quote: quote:Originally posted by Oscar <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by H0 <br />I'd say some problems are by design: non-prototypical antennas, wipers, handrails, misplaced or missing prints, wrong colours, etc. <font face="Verdana][size=2]Nice addition! Thanx!</font id="Verdana] Yes, though the problem here is that most of us are not aware of all those little details where the model might be at fault. I have never seen a Kittel railcar, so I'm blissfully unaware of where the wipers were, how many seats it had, or whether the driver had a beard. I rely on the forum to inform me about correct handrails, wipers and rivets, but to be honest, none of that is important to me.
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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TimR		#10 Posted : 16 October 2009 13:21:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		I would apply this criteria on my list; only those which are bought new from a Marklin dealer; <ul> <li>C-tracks - generally flawless - one 24172 piece slightly bent.</li> <li>39891 & 39893 - uneven paint cover on the logo along the sides (minor problem on all new fluted body M* loks - will dry brush the model at some point)</li> <li>37786 - relay problem - train switch direction, runs perfect, but lights only on when facing one side (will replace each relay as this seems the most cost effective option)</li> <li>39011 - perfect</li> <li>37848 - perfect - to date is my smoothest ever DCM lok</li> <li>26533 - broken horn (non issue - common problem on TRAXX-1 hobby)</li> <li>Trix 22148 - perfect</li> </ul>
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aos		#11 Posted : 16 October 2009 13:58:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 526 Location: Salisbury		I bought a 29010 starter set with C track and mobile station earlier this year. I was amazed at the vast improvement in technology as regards the digital side of things. It is also very finely detailed. The new locomotive 01 1060 weighs in at approx 520gms. On the other hand, my 43 year old class 44 (44690) weighs in at a staggering 680gms. That is almost 31% heavier! In addition, the class 44, although less detailed, seems to be much stronger, both in build and pulling power. It also has a telex coupler and a steam generator. Another thing that I have noticed is that the new model seems to derail easily on the C track points when driven in reverse. This is something that I rarely encounter with my old analog models on M track. Do others suffer the same problem? Please let me know. I have checked the pickup shoe and it seems to aligned correctly. Only time will tell if the new model is as reliable. Let us hope so! Alan.
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TimR		#12 Posted : 16 October 2009 14:38:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by aos Another thing that I have noticed is that the new model seems to derail easily on the C track points when driven in reverse. This is something that I rarely encounter with my old analog models on M track. Do others suffer the same problem? Please let me know. I have checked the pickup shoe and it seems to aligned correctly. Try checking the distance between the lok and the tender.. on most of the older tooling like this - the distance between the two is adjustable. According to the reports from many members - this model shouldn't have such a problem.
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orubias		#13 Posted : 16 October 2009 16:22:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 690 Location: Justo ahí		C tracks. The small plastic parts under the track easily broken in many of them. Turnout motor, one bunr out of ten. Not a lot of use in a carpet layout.
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Armando		#14 Posted : 16 October 2009 17:51:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Hi Oscar! Shall we take up the Henschel-Wegmann train for starters? It is a milestone in the list of all-time misrepresentations by Märklin. How about the "skirts" and connectors in the Gottardo? The list of "quality" issues is long....
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jannie		#15 Posted : 16 October 2009 19:18:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/12/2006(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Cape Town, South Africa		Hi All BR 64 Decoder sound threshold pathetic. Jannie
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RayF		#16 Posted : 16 October 2009 19:22:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,873 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Guys, Oscar asked for a list of the items you bought in the last 18 months or so, indicating whether or not you've had any issues with them. If you just mention known problems (which have been thrashed to death already) we are not going to hear about all those items you haven't had a problem with. This was the whole point of this thread!
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orubias		#17 Posted : 16 October 2009 20:03:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 690 Location: Justo ahí		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas <br />Guys, Oscar asked for a list of the items you bought in the last 18 months or so, indicating whether or not you've had any issues with them. Yep, Ray, material within less than 1 year old...
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Rinus		#18 Posted : 16 October 2009 20:07:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,729 Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands		I actually haven't been any buying Marklin stuff (other then 7459) for over a year. I prefer Roco for trains and roling stock, ACME and Brawa for roling stock, Uhlenbrock for steering system, Viessmann for signals and decoders. Therefor my list is rather short: E91 (39195) - problems with traction + problems with wandering off by its own initiative Re 4/4 I (39420) - good BR 798 (39985) - ride is a bit unrefined and unlike other SDS engines its a bit noisy Switch motor (7549) - prown to shortcircuit and melt
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mike c		#19 Posted : 16 October 2009 22:17:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,260 Location: Montreal, QC		You asked for it: 36851 LED broken. Maerklin sent replacement 39420 Mini Sinus Motor 39540 Design Shortcomings - Sound module stopped working after maybe 10 uses. 37356 OK TR 22631 OK (To be converted to AC Digital) Other Hobby 185s No Problem (see 36851) Roco - 6 Loks No Problems Hag - 3 Loks No Problems Maerklin 28 cm coaches - Design Shortcomings (Interior Detail) ACME/LS Models DB, SBB and FS Coaches WOW!!!!! Regards Mike C
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kimballthurlow		#20 Posted : 17 October 2009 00:19:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,769 Location: Brisbane, Australia		From what I remember, all perfect, and all purchased in Australia (except one): 48810 freight set - perfect 37115 loco with sound, Württ C class - perfect 37044 electric - perfect (purch from Germany) 39050 Insider 05 - perfect 39800 V200 - perfect 37774 VT137 (VT04) rail car - perfect In contrast, I purchased 2 of a well known US brand (made in China) for DCC 2 rail, and neither would run out of the box. My local dealer (not the Märklin dealer) did not have a clue. I had to email the manufacturer several times, and to their credit, they responded excellently. I got both running after they sent a new cable connector in the mail, free of charge. regards Kimball
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James Yao		#21 Posted : 17 October 2009 10:48:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 41 Location: Singapore, Singapore		Hi everyone, I started playing with Marklin trains just about a year ago. I have been impressed by the level of detail and reliability of my trains. Here's my contribution: 39011 Br 01 Flawless (except for some rusting on the metal pipes due to high humidity here) 39501 Br 150 Flawless 28730 Swiss Fright Set Flawless Regards Yao
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Oscar		#22 Posted : 18 October 2009 13:14:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 783 Location: ,		<font face="Verdana]The count so far (only counting Märklin items that were listed as bought recently; starter sets and batches of C-rail were counted as 1 item): -Total # of items counted: 51 -Flawless: 38 items (74,6%) -Technical problems: 7 items (13,7%) -Cosmetic problems: 2 items (3,9%) -Structural problems: 2 items (3,9%) -Design problems: 2 items (3,9%) -Total # of problems: 13 (25,5%) First impression is that the number of problems is way too high and unacceptable, but we've only listed 51 items yet. Once we go beyond a 100 or so then we'll have a picture that is somewhat reliable. @orubias: I can't count "1 in 10" - I'll count your broken motors if you tell me how many you've bought and how many of those were actually broken. @mike c: I can't count your statement about design problems with the 28cm coaches because you didn't mention any numbers, nor the nature of the problems. @guys who listed Trix items: I didn't count those. </font id="Verdana]
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Bigdaddynz		#23 Posted : 18 October 2009 13:47:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		37993 Big Boy - Front cardan shaft popped out when used on my M track R1 curves. Easily fixed, and has since run ok on R1 curves. 36850 Br185 - Front LED lights stopped working after I took the loco body off. Replaced front light assembly. Marklin have since introduced light masks to prevent damage to the light assembly. 47713 Stake Car - Purchased 2nd hand (as new) from ETS. When opened both bogies dropped off the car. Fixed by gluing plastic shafts at either end, mounting the bogies over the shafts, then melting the top of the shaft so that the bogie does not fall off. Is running ok as I type. No other problems experienced.
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TimR		#24 Posted : 18 October 2009 14:52:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Quote: quote:Originally posted by Oscar <br /><font face="Verdana][size=2] @guys who listed Trix items: I didn't count those. </font id="Verdana] As I'm one of those guys ; basically the reason being that that Marklin and Trix these days are being produced under the same roof. In my case; T22148 Re 4/4 II is basically exactly the same model as the Marklin versions of Era IV Re 4/4 II. They share same casting, frame, external & internal detail, DCM motor, boogie, etc. There are some differences but it is practically the same technology and tooling. Trix items = made by Marklin; even if not sold under Marklin brand. No reason as to not widened your available samples to get better reflection of "quality".
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Ranjit		#25 Posted : 18 October 2009 15:04:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/06/2003(UTC) Posts: 3,023 Location: Chennai, Tamil Nadu, INDIA		Hi All, In the last 18 months, I have purchased a new Marklin 7263 K/M Arched Bridge from my local dealer (Trains N Toys), and a used Marklin 7592 K Track Automatic Crossing gate from ebay. Both items were flawless. Recently, I have also placed an order for the Marklin #37575 Digital DB Era III Class E 03 locomotive from LokShop. The item hasn't arrived yet, but I shall report the condition once it arrives. Cheers, Ranjit
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davemr		#26 Posted : 19 October 2009 01:10:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		V 90 shunter. One telex not working. I have two locos on order and will report when received.
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al_pignolo		#27 Posted : 20 October 2009 00:39:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 904 Location: bologna, BO		I have not bought new Marklin items in the last 18 months. Only Roco AC, (and other brands cars too) because I wanted more european models. I've found high quality and low prices Defects found on these models: zero. Money saved: much [}:)] Pietro
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Brakepad		#28 Posted : 20 October 2009 00:43:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 633 Location: Montlouis sur Loire, France		37312 loco (the only new loco I've purchased so far, 4-5 months ago). Needed some oiling when I got it, but otherwise flawless.
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Davy		#29 Posted : 20 October 2009 14:12:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		Quality is now much better then three years ago. Other firms have much more problems now with their quality then Marklin now have. Roco has a lot of trouble with their 1:87 coaches, Brawa has again trouble with their metal castings. Etc, Etc. I have had no trouble at all with the steamers (3). I have bought this year.
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Bigdaddynz		#30 Posted : 20 October 2009 14:32:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy <br />Brawa has again trouble with their metal castings. Zincpest??
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davemr		#31 Posted : 20 October 2009 14:46:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		What is wrong with Brawa castings ??
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al_pignolo		#32 Posted : 20 October 2009 15:09:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 904 Location: bologna, BO		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy <br /> Roco has a lot of trouble with their 1:87 coaches I actually have no problems with these coaches. Wich troubles have you noticed? Pietro
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orubias		#33 Posted : 20 October 2009 19:33:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 690 Location: Justo ahí		Oscar, in the past year I bought ten motors 74490, and one didn´t last two months.
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Davy		#34 Posted : 20 October 2009 19:51:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy <br />Brawa has again trouble with their metal castings. Zincpest?? Yep from a german forum brawa V320 http://stummi.foren-city...-v-320-mit-zinkpest.html And the roco coaches that was a big item on a Dutch forum.
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jeehring		#35 Posted : 20 October 2009 21:00:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mike c <br />You asked for it: 36851 LED broken. Maerklin sent replacement 39420 Mini Sinus Motor 39540 Design Shortcomings - Sound module stopped working after maybe 10 uses. 37356 OK TR 22631 OK (To be converted to AC Digital) Other Hobby 185s No Problem (see 36851) Roco - 6 Loks No Problems Hag - 3 Loks No Problems Maerklin 28 cm coaches - Design Shortcomings (Interior Detail) ACME/LS Models DB, SBB and FS Coaches WOW!!!!! Regards Mike C Of course ! ....let's stick to what we usually do !!! ( it is obvious that you dont have any layout )
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jeehring		#36 Posted : 20 October 2009 21:21:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy <br />Quality is now much better then three years ago. Other firms have much more problems now with their quality then Marklin now have. Roco has a lot of trouble with their 1:87 coaches, Brawa has again trouble with their metal castings. Etc, Etc. Absolutely true Davy ! I confirm.
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davemr		#37 Posted : 20 October 2009 21:47:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		Looks like the Brawa problem is also found in other firms models and comes from China. Roco coaches appear Ok but I only have a few. Brawa coaches on the other hand are fantastic if you are prepared to pay for them. I only have a few Brawa and Roco and all are perfect but as most of my stuff is Marklin I suppose this is where the faults will occur. You could have 100 Marklin and only one faulty and 1 Brawa which was faulty which dios not give a comparison so better just to stick to Marklin as per the thread title.
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al_pignolo		#38 Posted : 20 October 2009 22:09:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 904 Location: bologna, BO		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy <br /> And the roco coaches that was a big item on a Dutch forum. This doesn't explain too much... i wonder what kind of problems were noticed...
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mike c		#39 Posted : 21 October 2009 04:59:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,260 Location: Montreal, QC		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jeehring <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mike c <br />You asked for it: 36851 LED broken. Maerklin sent replacement 39420 Mini Sinus Motor 39540 Design Shortcomings - Sound module stopped working after maybe 10 uses. 37356 OK TR 22631 OK (To be converted to AC Digital) Other Hobby 185s No Problem (see 36851) Roco - 6 Loks No Problems Hag - 3 Loks No Problems Maerklin 28 cm coaches - Design Shortcomings (Interior Detail) ACME/LS Models DB, SBB and FS Coaches WOW!!!!! Regards Mike C Of course ! ....let's stick to what we usually do !!! ( it is obvious that you dont have any layout ) On what basis do you make that statement? I have a test oval, which currently is a modified setup based on the 29859 Set. I can run one of two three coach trains at a time. I also have a large collection of M, K and C Track which is used to set up a floor layout several times of the year covering three rooms in the basement. When that layout is set up, I can operate up to 6 trains on the layout, each train up to 12 x 30cm coaches. One day, I will be able to set up a single room layout with main line oval (R4/R5) and local line or narrow gauge interior line using R3 or smaller. In the meantime, speak not of things you don't know and if you're jealous that I can run 1:87 and you can't, that is your problem. I grew out of my little layout with R1 and R2. Get over yourself! Accepte que les colonies ont depasse la mere Patrie! Regards Mike C
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mike c		#40 Posted : 21 October 2009 05:22:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,260 Location: Montreal, QC		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy <br />Quality is now much better then three years ago. Other firms have much more problems now with their quality then Marklin now have. Roco has a lot of trouble with their 1:87 coaches, Etc, Etc. SWEEPING GENERAL STATEMENTS. Which models did you have problems with? Certainly, not all models have had problems. I have not had any problems with the dozen or so that I have bought in the last year and a half, other than two 44976 with shipping damaged bogies (replaced). The WRMz 135 is very nicely done. So were the latest SBB EC coaches, the reissue of the 44746 and my other 44976, 44495, 44496 and SNCF Couchette coaches. The only issue I had was problems inserting the Maerklin 7203 into the NEM socket. The Roco universal coupler could be inserted without problem. I do not know if the problem is with the coupler shaft (Maerklin) or with the coupler socket (Roco). So, please elaborate and don't making sweeping general statements. Regards Mike C
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LionelMPC		#41 Posted : 21 October 2009 06:59:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/05/2005(UTC) Posts: 213 Location: Washington state, USA		Only new loco I own, a 37655 V60 Diesel - 1 small pickup shoe issue, once fixed, runs perfect. The pickup shoe didn't get along with some of my M-track switches, and caused a momentary short when passing over, caused my 6021 to freeze and would lose control of all locos. I tried to adjust it to no avail, replaced it with a new one and no problems since. Still seems bad that I had to replace a brand new shoe though. -James
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KeithLForMarklin		#42 Posted : 21 October 2009 08:55:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2009(UTC) Posts: 14 Location: Toronto,		Hi all. With regards to quality, I have noticed that the pickup shoes of the older Marklin models in the past have been screwed onto the bottom of the locomotive chassis. This method of attaching the pickup shoes is still better. Now, the newer models have the pickup shoes clipped on. While this is simpler, I feel that this compromises quality, though the Marklin models are still by far superior to those manufactured by Fleischmann and Roco. Keith. Keith.
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Ranjit		#43 Posted : 21 October 2009 10:23:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/06/2003(UTC) Posts: 3,023 Location: Chennai, Tamil Nadu, INDIA		All my locos are old and therefore have the screw on pickup shoe. I do not have any experience with the clip-ons. Cheers, Ranjit
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Deborail		#44 Posted : 21 October 2009 12:27:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2009(UTC) Posts: 819 Location: RAK		Very small item (0.2mm)on the top of ludmilla roof detail got cut off as I was removing it from the box, I blame myself for not being careful enough....
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al_pignolo		#45 Posted : 21 October 2009 18:58:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 904 Location: bologna, BO		I am sorry but I agreee with Mike, I find some members' statements should be justified. I use Roco, Heris, Lima and LS 1:87 coaches in a regular basis without ANY problem. So I would be glad to know wich problems you are talking of, and wich coaches are affected by them. Pietro P.S. I DO have a layout! [}:)]
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davemr		#46 Posted : 21 October 2009 19:52:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		Hi Al. I agree with you. I think you will find that where Marklin enthusiasts are very enthusiastic they tend to find faults in other makes which is just human nature. I enjoy models from all the manufacturers although my preference is Marklin. If we lost Marklin them Brawa would be my next choice and in fact although a smaller range and far too expensive their coaches are great. So basically I like Marklin best but there are others which are as good but with a smaller range. dave
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Davy		#47 Posted : 21 October 2009 20:47:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		I am a member of a trainclub (more then 40 members) and most members drive Marklin. What I see is that the new stuff has less problem then three a four years ago. When Marklin started with mfx.
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al_pignolo		#48 Posted : 21 October 2009 21:28:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 904 Location: bologna, BO		I'm building the layout with two friends. I run marklin, they run DC, and our layout is double-system (one line marklin, one line DC). This stuff about quality is a common question, so we began to monitor the problems we have with the material. Every time we run trains, we list the cars or locos by brand, and we list the troubles we find. Marklin and Roco, in our statistics, have exactly the same rate at the moment, 6,06% of troubles... Sorry, the page is in italian, but if you go to the table at the middle of the page, you will see the statistics: first column is the brand, 2nd the total number of locos/cars that ran, 3rd the total number of troubles, 4th the percentage. http://www.piroen.eu/schede/affidabilita.html (I don't know why I can't attach the link of Google translation [:(!]) We don't distinguish between recent/older models, but could be good to compare different brands (even if for many of them we ran only a few models by now!) Pietro
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Armando		#49 Posted : 21 October 2009 21:57:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy <br />Quality is now much better then three years ago. Other firms have much more problems now with their quality then Marklin now have. Roco has a lot of trouble with their 1:87 coaches. What exactly are the problems that you have experienced with the correct-to-scale Roco coaches? I have many of them, and so far no problems at all.
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Rinus		#50 Posted : 21 October 2009 23:16:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,729 Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Armando <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy <br />Quality is now much better then three years ago. Other firms have much more problems now with their quality then Marklin now have. Roco has a lot of trouble with their 1:87 coaches. What exactly are the problems that you have experienced with the correct-to-scale Roco coaches? I have many of them, and so far no problems at all. Me neither. My latest purchases are 4 Roco trains, 3 Roco coaches and 5 ACME coaches. They run perfect, without faults. And when treated as a modell, they are just as sturdy as any Marklin train. I also think its better to stick with listing problems instead of talking about quality. Allthough "the amount of problems" and "quallity" are related to oneanother, the term quallity is much broader. Quallity also involves noise, detail, scale, driving performance etc etc and is more personal.
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