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Offline SMC1957  
#1 Posted : 11 January 2026 15:00:11(UTC)
SMC1957

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Joined: 04/09/2025(UTC)
Posts: 24
Location: Huelva
Hello, and Happy New Year to all:

I am going to build a quick extension to my small layout ( 1500 x 2400 mm or aprox 4 x 8 feet). It basically will use all the length around the boards for a continous run around the exterior part with only a short 1800 mm ( 5 feet) visible in the front. So the rest of the "circle" line will be hidden.

I do not have space for a proper shadow station as fitting turnpouts and parallel tracks is not an option.

I am thinking of simply using the longish curves and straight line track to divide into "blocks" and parking 3 or 4 trains on the stretch of hidden tracks. So a FIFO ( first in First Out) system will manage the 3 or 4 trains one after the other.

The goal is to have a sort of parade area with the 3-4 trains while I work or play around with train switching in the main station, industrial area part of the layout.

I will be using a CS3 and L88 and a couple of S88s for sensors. Later, much later, I will use my already paid subscription ( I like to support developers even if I cannot use their products because of my ignorance) and try to set up Rocrail via the CS3.

I have being watching Webinars from Märklin USA and other more general videos by the dozens. And doing Google general searches and this Forum searches, but still do not find exactly what I am looking for, and do not feel confortable with the information I have and understand. Unfortunately I have no German so that definitely limits me.

I would appreciate suggestions or solutions:
1.- Worded out so that an electronic/software layman retired person can understand
2.- Alternatively suggestions about the WORDS or TERMs I can search for, because, granted, my lack of experience and knowledge could very well mean that I input the wrong wording into my searches.

Thank you in advance
Santiago
Offline osoraku  
#2 Posted : 11 January 2026 21:36:43(UTC)
osoraku

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Dear SMC1957 -

BTrain is a free and easy to configure app for running a layout in the way that you describe, BUT only for Mac computers. The learning curve for Rocrail & JMRI is longer. No experience with other apps.

Link here.

Osoraku
Offline SMC1957  
#3 Posted : 11 January 2026 22:56:05(UTC)
SMC1957

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Joined: 04/09/2025(UTC)
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Location: Huelva
Thank you Osoraku. I have Macs, 4 to be precise and will dedicate an old MBP 2015 to the layout hopefully. So I will have a look at you suggestion.

However, my problem and question was more related to the cabling of sensors and simulated signals I would need. This is where I am lacking in knowledge and techincal skill to design the track I need to lay, with the cuts of the central rail etc.

And this is what I can not find, or understand.

Regards
Santiago
Offline SMC1957  
#4 Posted : 11 January 2026 23:04:32(UTC)
SMC1957

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Location: Huelva
Buff... Sorry. My ignorance is such that I have no idea what to do when I get to your link for the app. Compile? No idea how to do it nad my MBP 2023 M2 has no Xcode app in it.

Thanks anyway.
Santiago
Offline osoraku  
#5 Posted : 12 January 2026 00:02:04(UTC)
osoraku

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Originally Posted by: SMC1957 Go to Quoted Post


However, my problem and question was more related to the cabling of sensors and simulated signals I would need. This is where I am lacking in knowledge and techincal skill to design the track I need to lay, with the cuts of the central rail etc.

And this is what I can not find, or understand.

Regards
Santiago


Hmmm. Somebody posted PDFs (bigdaddynz?) of a quite good series of Marklin magazine articles on using C track for different styles of feedback. I copied them for reference, but can’t find the forum thread on which they were originally posted. If nobody else can remember that thread and its link, maybe I can repost the PDFs, which can get your planning started.

Osoraku
Offline SMC1957  
#6 Posted : 12 January 2026 02:54:50(UTC)
SMC1957

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Location: Huelva
Thank you again.

Just for clarification, because I see that many read my post, but few answer. I am asking about CONTACT TRACKS needed for a single track shadow station with capacity for 4 trains in total.

Santiago
Offline osoraku  
#7 Posted : 12 January 2026 05:49:49(UTC)
osoraku

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Originally Posted by: SMC1957 Go to Quoted Post
Thank you again.
Just for clarification, because I see that many read my post, but few answer. I am asking about CONTACT TRACKS needed for a single track shadow station with capacity for 4 trains in total.

Santiago


There’s a long contact track thread here that may help your planning.

Osoraku
Offline JohnjeanB  
#8 Posted : 12 January 2026 10:41:01(UTC)
JohnjeanB

France   
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC)
Posts: 3,705
Location: Paris, France
Hi Santiago
Here is a Märklin HO digital fan using Rocrail since 2013 and today operating with a CS3 a Link S88 and many m88 AC modules

One possible solution to your problem is using Rocrail one or many STAGING Blocks
Here is to the Rocrail info Rocrail Staging Blocks

What is a staging block?
- suppose you have a very long strech of line (2,5 M in my case) and have a block that could host multiple trains of variyng lengths behind each other with the best possible use of the length.
- this is called a STAGING BLOCK (Bloc de transfert en Français or Aufstellblock in German)
- the staging block is divided into a number of segments (number is selected by YOU). The more segments you have , the best use of the available length
- Rocrail must know the length of each train and the length of each segment (your choice, all identical or varying lengths.
- that way Rocrail may reserve for each train, the number of segments it will occupy
- a long train may occupy multiple segements
- the staging block is ALWAYS one way (cannot use it in di-directional mode

Here is how it looks

Don't be afraid by the large number of parallel blocks here.

Sorry I cannot show a video of my staging block as it is in a shadow station. In my case 7 segments (up to 7 very short trains behind each other
It is working very well.

If you are interested, I may help
Cheers
Jean
Offline SMC1957  
#9 Posted : 12 January 2026 13:40:15(UTC)
SMC1957

Spain   
Joined: 04/09/2025(UTC)
Posts: 24
Location: Huelva
Hi Jean,

many thanks for the reply. Of course I am interested. My inmediate problem is to figure out how to make the contact sections for the system to work for 3 trains which I think I can fit.

Since I am not very sure what to do, I havent made the actual calculations, because I will have to take into account the possibilities when I knwo the number of different contact sections I need, and my current stock of 172s or 188s of Märklin C-Track.

regards
Santiago
Offline JohnjeanB  
#10 Posted : 12 January 2026 17:50:57(UTC)
JohnjeanB

France   
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC)
Posts: 3,705
Location: Paris, France
Santiago, Its me again
In my case I had a strech of 2,5 M and I divided it into 7 segments of the same size (for simplicity).

Before telling more I need to say that the Rocrail staging block drives the train as V_min (basically the lowest substainable speed (no stalling)

At the end of each segment you need an occupancy detector so that ANY train driving at its OWN V_min will slow down and stop exactly at the end of the determined segment.
The rest of each segment is EITHER without detection (my case) or with another occupancy detection (you must add one entry per segment).

For precision of detection lengths and position, I cut one of the rails of my wide radius C Track at the exact location

The detection length I used for each segment was approx 10 cm within the approx. 350 mm segment length.

The staging block must also have an ENTRY detector (a new train is entering the staging block)
This is how I ended up at 8 sensors total for 7 segments

Rocrail staging block ask you for a SECURITY DISTANCE. This is a minimal distance Rocrail ADDS after its calculations. In my case 30 mm

I may have had issues with the staging block but NEVER did I have a collision caused by miscaculation

Even though the detection may not be perfect, Rocrail manages to find its way. I don't encourage the rails and wheels to be dirty, BUT the system is pretty safe.

Because a normal block hosts only ONE train, its name is displayed which is not possible with a staging block. So I wrote a little program to display which segment contains what train

Here is an extract of my Rocrail plan in the staging block area
Sans titre.png

You may see that Segment 1 and 2 are free, segements 3 to 6 are occupied by a long train BR_50_98 and segment 7 (closest to exit is occupied by the BR_95_004 loco
XML program is available for you if you are interested

Cheers

Jean
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Offline SMC1957  
#11 Posted : 12 January 2026 20:19:05(UTC)
SMC1957

Spain   
Joined: 04/09/2025(UTC)
Posts: 24
Location: Huelva
Many thanks Jean,

You have given me material for thought and calculation hi hi Poor old brain of mine is going to cook, but I can perfectly see the logic and I´m pretty sure it will work for me.

Tomorrow I fly back to Europe with a long stop in JFK, so I will have ample time for reflexion, and with a paper and pencil, to manually draw the example, before I get into more trouble.

Kind regards
Santiago
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