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Offline ccranium  
#1 Posted : 22 August 2025 16:46:23(UTC)
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https://www.msn.com/en-c...1L13TI?ocid=BingNewsSerp

It looks like they don’t want to deal with the de minimus exemption going away…
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Offline marklinist5999  
#2 Posted : 22 August 2025 17:10:29(UTC)
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What a shock! One more piece added to the debacle. You know what's happening/happened. CDC recommends no covid shots for kids, and the insurance companies cover what they say. So parents will have to pay out of pocket. Most of the current in general are idiots.
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Offline bph  
#3 Posted : 22 August 2025 19:22:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ccranium Go to Quoted Post
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/companies/germanys-dhl-joins-peers-in-restricting-us-bound-parcel-services/ar-AA1L13TI?ocid=BingNewsSerp

It looks like they don’t want to deal with the de minimus exemption going away…


The Norwegian post writes this: (so it seems like it is only temporary.....)

The changes to customs and tax exemptions introduced by the US authorities mean that customers must now pay customs duties before shipments can be transported to the US. The details of this have not yet been clarified by the US customs authorities, nor have any system solutions been developed that postal companies can use.

Postal companies in Europe are working together to clarify the process and solutions that the US customs authorities will require, but so far this has not been clarified. At the same time, the implementation date remains unchanged.

The situation creates uncertainty regarding transport options, return processes and liability, making suspension the only option.

Intensive efforts are being made to obtain the necessary clarifications so that solutions can be developed and postal services resumed.

Exceptions
Shipments with a value of more than USD 800 are cleared through customs and shipped as in the current solution.

https://www.posten.no/kundeservice/suspendering-av-postsendinger-til-usa-gjeldende-fra-lordag-23.august

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Offline dickinsonj  
#4 Posted : 23 August 2025 01:03:48(UTC)
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Our purchasing options have always been limited in the US, and the current stupidity just makes it all worse. A few weeks ago I received a beautiful Gt 2x 4/4 (37961) from a shop in Holland. They were great to work with, had reasonable prices and shipped to the US. I guess that option is now closed to me as well.

I just received an email from Walter Menzel at Euro Rail Hobbies today about how this change is going to affect another long time dealer, limit my choices and raise my prices. If there was a reason behind this it would easier, but it just seems to be random and pointless.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline Willem99  
#5 Posted : 23 August 2025 02:10:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
What a shock! One more piece added to the debacle. You know what's happening/happened. CDC recommends no covid shots for kids, and the insurance companies cover what they say. So parents will have to pay out of pocket. Most of the current in general are idiots.


That is OK, because the prices are going to be decreased by 1500 %.
At least, that was the promise made, so you will be paid money to get a shot.
Tim
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Offline mike c  
#6 Posted : 23 August 2025 02:40:52(UTC)
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They are trying to find a way to get the sender to pay the tariffs (fees must be paid prior to shipment) so that the administration can claim that the "countries" are paying the tariffs and not the US customer.
In Canada, parcels arrive at your door with invoice for duties, taxes and a postal handling (brokerage) fee included. This is how the tariffs should properly be applied in America, but these games that are being played are messing with everybody.
Shippers are simply going to refuse to serve US clients and Canadians (and others) may be caught up in this as shippers simply refuse to ship outside the EU.

Even if the sender pays the tariffs in advance, who collects it and who remits it to the US government? The end result will still be that the US customer sees those amounts added to their invoice.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline marklinist5999  
#7 Posted : 23 August 2025 15:17:53(UTC)
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Wiilem, did I read 1500%? I almost choked on my coffee! So the same as was promised for drug prices Haha Ha! Our dollar is also down -.60, so this may also affect import prices.
Offline David Dewar  
#8 Posted : 23 August 2025 17:47:40(UTC)
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Looking at our hobby in the USA it must be difficult at present. However in three years I presume your government will change and things will go back to normal.
Meanwhile even if in a small way supporting a local hobby shop might help to keep them in business.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline steventrain  
#9 Posted : 23 August 2025 19:18:43(UTC)
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Royal Mail and DHL halt some US deliveries over tariffs.

BBC News.
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Offline dickinsonj  
#10 Posted : 23 August 2025 20:25:25(UTC)
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I received my Insider dump car sets but I have not yet gotten my Class E 95 locomotive or the baggage car. My dealer maintained the order price on the cars, but I wonder when I will get the rest and what they will cost.

Maybe it is time to take a break from buying trains until David's prediction comes true and the US goes back to being a normal country again.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline dickinsonj  
#11 Posted : 24 August 2025 15:07:34(UTC)
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More European shippers are halting shipments to the US. A few bit of information from a recent article.

Fearing Customs Chaos, DHL Joins Others in Suspending U.S. Shipments.

The temporary halt by DHL’s German parcel service and its domestic mail service, Deutsche Post, covers commercial shipments originating in Germany to consumers in the United States.

“The suspension was implemented because there is simply so much uncertainty and companies are afraid that we will incur very high follow-up costs,” said Sebastian Kummer, the head of the Institute for Transport and Logistics Management at Vienna University of Economics and Business. Such costs could include storage or return shipments if U.S. Customs does not accept the packages.

The move by one of the world’s largest courier companies followed similar suspensions by national postal services in Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Norway and Sweden.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#12 Posted : 24 August 2025 18:48:31(UTC)
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Annoying as it is, getting train shipments into the country is now way down on the list of important things for US residents. IMHO
Dale
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Offline dickinsonj  
#13 Posted : 24 August 2025 19:05:08(UTC)
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Oh yeah, I totally agree Dale. We have a lot more things to be worried about than just toys at the moment!

I am concerned that it will put our small MRR retail community out of business, but then many businesses are suffering, with the big US automakers losing about $1 billion each in just the last quarter.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline mike c  
#14 Posted : 25 August 2025 18:09:02(UTC)
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Swiss Post has announced that it too will cease shipments to the United States as of Tuesday, August 26, 2025.
The easiest solution would be for US Post to set up a customs operation similar to the one in Canada, where the post office would handle the assessment of duty, taxes and tariffs of incoming parcels.
The problem with this is that the Post Office would then have to collect from the person at delivery.
By insisting that all tariffs, duties and tax be paid by the shipper, to make it appear that "the other country" is paying the tariffs, they will cut off a lot of small shipments

Regards

Mike C
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Offline Dreadnought  
#15 Posted : 25 August 2025 20:48:44(UTC)
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As Mike points out, here, in Canada we pay any duties, and taxes when we pick up the item. Model trains are not subject to tariffs in Canada. Where an item is subject to duty / tariffs, I get a notice and have to go to the local postal station to pay and pick it up.
I wonder what will happen to items in the local shops. I believe Marklin ship to the North American office in Missouri. They ship to my dealer here. Are their tariffs on that. Do they pass duty free, in bond, to Canada. In the alternative, if I buy Marklin here, am I paying the U.S. tariffs? Hopefully Marklin has thought this out to ensure goods going to Canada are not subject to American import taxes.
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Offline dickinsonj  
#16 Posted : 25 August 2025 22:42:30(UTC)
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I would think that Marklin would need to ship Canadian items directly to Canada to avoid all of the tariffs. I hope that you don't get caught up in our mess.

The convoluted way this is playing out is primarily to try to hide these taxes from US consumers. Unfortunately some people seem to actually be falling for it and believe that the tariff money is somehow falling out of the sky, instead of out of their wallets.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline bph  
#17 Posted : 25 August 2025 23:26:42(UTC)
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In Norway, we have to pay VAT on everything, and the Norwegian government made a law that requires larger companies that sell to Norway to collect VAT upon purchase.

So if I buy something from Amazon UK etc, they don't charge UK VAT, but they charge the Norwegian VAT directly.
Amazon then register that VAT is paid electronically on the shipping information.
Later, Amazon transferred the VAT to Norway.
Even some American companies and Aliexpress etc follow that.

However, if the electronic information is not correct, the Norwegian Post or other shipping companies will charge "double" VAT and an extra fees.Cursing. And I need to make a VAT refund claim to eg Amazon. But usually it works fine and is cheaper than letting the post handle the import fees.



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Offline mike c  
#18 Posted : 26 August 2025 04:53:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dreadnought Go to Quoted Post
As Mike points out, here, in Canada we pay any duties, and taxes when we pick up the item. Model trains are not subject to tariffs in Canada. Where an item is subject to duty / tariffs, I get a notice and have to go to the local postal station to pay and pick it up.
I wonder what will happen to items in the local shops. I believe Marklin ship to the North American office in Missouri. They ship to my dealer here. Are their tariffs on that. Do they pass duty free, in bond, to Canada. In the alternative, if I buy Marklin here, am I paying the U.S. tariffs? Hopefully Marklin has thought this out to ensure goods going to Canada are not subject to American import taxes.


In conversations with Canadian dealers, I was told that Maerklin has no plans to alter the setup where Canadian dealers place their orders through Marklin USA. Unfortunately, this would mean that items sold by Marklin USA to Canadian dealers would have the tariffs included in the price. From what I can tell, there is no mechanism for getting a tariff credit for goods reexported from the United States. I was told that Maerklin had no intent to ship to Canadian dealers directly.

My conversations with people at Maerklin hinted that the company is examining their options as the US operation was also handling goods ordered by dealers in Central and South America and they were looking at their options.
I considered the possibility of setting up a company in Europe which could receive orders destined to Canada (through the Marklin USA network) and ship them directly to Canada, bypassing entry and reexport from USA.
To make such a service viable, I would have to charge a fee, which would likely be similar to a 15% tariff, so I abandoned the project as not viable.

I hope that Maerklin and others decide to ship to Canada directly and it may be in their interest to find a location where they could receive the goods without tariffs and then only goods shipped into the USA would be subject to tariffs.
Montreal is 100Km from the border. Cornwall, Niagara Falls and Windsor Ontario are right on the border. Montreal's advantage is that there is a point of entry (harbour/airport) that is used by the main shippers for goods into Canada. Other cities would require goods to be shipped from the point of arrival to the warehouse.

Regards

Mike C

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Offline mike c  
#19 Posted : 26 August 2025 05:26:17(UTC)
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This was posted by Swiss dealer Bahnorama (Bern) today:

Quote:
Dear Customer

We would like to inform you about an important change regarding shipments to the USA:
On July 30, 2025, the U.S. government issued an Executive Order abolishing the previous customs exemption threshold. As the required customs procedures have not yet been finalized by the U.S. authorities, Schweizerische (Swiss) Post will suspend the shipment of goods to the USA and Puerto Rico as of August 26, 2025.

For you this means:
- Orders with a delivery address in the USA or Puerto Rico can no longer be accepted
- From now, shipping to these destinations will temporarily no longer be possible.
- The shipment of documents (letters) is not affected.

As soon as our provider for shipments to the USA, Swiss Post, resumes postal shipments of goods to the USA, we will inform you immediately.

More information you will find here:

Die Schweizerische Post - US Zollbestimmungen
https://www.post.ch/en/a...ping-of-goods-to-the-usa
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Offline PJMärklin  
#20 Posted : 26 August 2025 09:17:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Go to Quoted Post
More European shippers are halting shipments to the US. ...


There seems a trend :

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Offline marklinist5999  
#21 Posted : 26 August 2025 14:44:50(UTC)
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Should anyone send these articles to the proper US govt. depts.? Likely would fall on deaf ears though?
Offline dickinsonj  
#22 Posted : 26 August 2025 15:22:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Should anyone send these articles to the proper US govt. depts.? Likely would fall on deaf ears though?


Deaf ears, definitely.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline Willem99  
#23 Posted : 26 August 2025 15:37:12(UTC)
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I copied this from the internet:

Which countries have stopped delivering mail to the US?
International postal services in nearly 30 countries had suspended some services to the US by Tuesday.

Services in 22 European countries – including the UK, France, Germany and Italy – have suspended some deliveries since Friday.
PostEurop said its members, including a further 32 postal services, could be forced to restrict shipping.
In Asia and the Pacific, services in Australia, New Zealand, Japan, India, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore have suspended some or all deliveries.

Online marketplace Etsy has suspended US shipping label services for Australia Post, Canada Post and the UK’s Royal Mail and Evri, encouraging users to find alternative carriers who let them pre-pay tariff fees.
Belgium’s bpost said the interruption would last until the US government had provided complete detail on the new import rules and it could adapt its systems to match.
Australia Post warned customers postage fees would increase to account for the tariff fees and new handling fees, after it partnered with a US customs-authorised payments operator to develop its new billing system.

In short, If we need something for our model railroad hobby in the USA we are screwed.
Tim

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Offline David Dewar  
#24 Posted : 26 August 2025 17:17:09(UTC)
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It appears that the USA want the tariff to be paid by the purchaser in another country and then sent to the USA. Very clever as it means the USA people are not paying the tariffs.
Maybe time for the EU China and others to just stop sending anything to the USA and although it would hit their business the USA would be left on its own with no overseas goods and would have major problems and would soon change this situation which frankly is stupid. Anyway we are interested in model trains and in the short term the secondhand market in the USA might do well and members on here could sell models they dont use to others who would be interestd in buying. It is a shame for our members in the USA and Canada but perhaps just wait it out for a few years when the government will change and arrange a proper system in particular for small purchases.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline Willem99  
#25 Posted : 26 August 2025 17:44:00(UTC)
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It might not say "tariff" on the invoice, but every item imported will cost more.
Government trying to fool us, but we are not as dumb as you think.
We bought a vacuum cleaner (European brand) at Costco earlier this month for $559.99
My wife wanted another one for the other level of the house.
The new cost (slightly more than 2 weeks later) was $ 789.99.
Needless to say, after paying for it, it was immediately returned to the service desk for a full refund
Until all tarfiffs are gone and prices have stabilised we will be waiting it out, only be buying the essentials.
Tim
Offline mike c  
#26 Posted : 26 August 2025 19:01:24(UTC)
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Even if the shipper/manufacturer collects the tariffs in advance to make it appear that the "other countries" are paying the tariffs, that amount and any additional costs will be passed on to the end customer, so in the end, it is the American customer who pays the bill.
The most frustrating part of it IMHO is for the Canadian, Mexican or other whose country orders through a US distributor, that we too will have to pay these additional costs even though the end destination of the goods is not the US of A.

I fear that many of the dealers, many who were already hesitant about shipping outside Germany or the EU, will decide that the easiest option is to stop international shipping rather than find a solution for US shipments only.

Regards

Mike C
Offline dickinsonj  
#27 Posted : 26 August 2025 19:15:24(UTC)
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David, The prepayments are intended to obscure the impact of the tariffs. These tariffs won't be paid by anyone outside of the US, and that is just a lie to make people think that someone else will pay. My business dealt with tariffs the last time Trump was President and our suppliers raised our prices to cover them. Some companies will absorb some of the cost for a while, but eventually it is all passed on to US consumers.

You are exactly right Tim. In the end this is just another tax on US consumers and all but a few of us have figured that out. Many people are cutting back on spending and that is causing a lot of uncertainty.

I would not want to be a retailer right now. I think this will hit US MRR shops really hard, and that many will close unless it is resolved soon. Since we can't get things shipped from Europe we are essentially locked out of the Marklin market, at least for now. I buy a lot of Marklin items from AJCKids in Texas and all of their prices have increased to cover the tariffs and the usually long waits for items have gotten even longer.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
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