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Offline obb_taurus  
#1 Posted : 16 April 2025 17:01:55(UTC)
obb_taurus

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Hi Everyone,

I haven't purchased Marklin products directly from Germany for a long time now but given the uncertainty with tariffs these days, I'm reluctant to place advanced orders for products like the Desiro (38462) with Canadian dealers especially if they are only able to get goods from Marklin USA. Once upon a time it was feasible to purchase from Germany, I used to buy everything from Lokshop but then I took a fairly long hiatus from the hobby and when I got back to it in 2017, I noticed that things had changed substantially, buying from Germany was now more expensive. All that being said, I don't want to deal with the uncertainty of tariffs, so what I'm hoping those who live in Canada and buy from Germany can tell me is which dealer in Germany generally has the best price for Canadians, what the average shipping costs are (I live in western Canada) and do we still get hit with duty or is it now just the service charge from Canada Post and GST? I've seen that Canadians buy directly from Germany, but from what I can see, it doesn't appear to be advantageous so I'm wondering if I'm just missing something. BigGrin

Thanks

Mike

Offline mike c  
#2 Posted : 16 April 2025 19:20:55(UTC)
mike c

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I have been ordering much of my Maerklin from BC. This is because I am not buying as much as I used to, combined with the fact that there is less product of interest from any one particular brand and not every dealer carries all of them. I used to be able to put together within a reasonable space of time an order of 3-5 items and combining shipping was a good way of reducing the cost per item. Shipments from Germany often involve a discount of the German MWSt (VAT), but parcels to Canada are often assessed Federal and Provincial taxes (GST, PST or HST) plus Canada Post's handling fee. There is no "de minimis" exception as in the USA.
For several years now, I have found it to be less expensive to order single items or maybe even two items from my Canadian source than to order from Europe. When you look at shipping costs between 40 to 60 EUR, plus the handling fee, it becomes cheaper to buy the item here, even if it may only be a few dollars less. The advantage is that buying from out of Province (some Provinces) means that only the GST and shipping has to be paid.
I don't know what Canadian dealers will do if they are obliged to continue to order from US distributors, as those goods will definitely be affected by US tariffs on original import to America and I don't see a mechanism to get those tariffs refunded on export.
I think that we will see more Canadian dealers ordering direct from Germany, although the minimum order quantities from some companies might complicate that if the brand is not a major seller for that dealer.

I have many models from companies like ACME, LSM, etc and those can often be limited or items manufactured for one distributor or dealer only. For those models, I deal with those specific dealers or dealers in those countries that I have accounts with.

For other items, if I can't find them here, there are a number of dealers in Europe that I do business with.

Here is a list of my preferred dealers (2025):
Huenerbein (Aachen) (Limited/LSM, ACME, all)
Memoba (Vienna) (Limited/LSM, ACME, all)
Eyro (Interlaken) (Swiss models/LSM, ACME, etc)
Reisezugwagen.eu (Uli Reyer) (Ludwigsburg) (LSM, ACME, etc)
Joes Modellbahnlaedle (Frickenhausen)
BW Bahn (Bernhard Wild) (Munich)
Gleis 11 (Munich)

You should check your Province's rules on out of Province shipments to find out whether orders from other Province's are exempt from some taxes. You may be able to save by ordering from outside your own area.
Rules may be different in Provinces with HST.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline Vinedusk  
#3 Posted : 17 April 2025 08:13:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: obb_taurus Go to Quoted Post
Hi Everyone,

I haven't purchased Marklin products directly from Germany for a long time now but given the uncertainty with tariffs these days, I'm reluctant to place advanced orders for products like the Desiro (38462) with Canadian dealers especially if they are only able to get goods from Marklin USA. Once upon a time it was feasible to purchase from Germany, I used to buy everything from Lokshop but then I took a fairly long hiatus from the hobby and when I got back to it in 2017, I noticed that things had changed substantially, buying from Germany was now more expensive. All that being said, I don't want to deal with the uncertainty of tariffs, so what I'm hoping those who live in Canada and buy from Germany can tell me is which dealer in Germany generally has the best price for Canadians, what the average shipping costs are (I live in western Canada) and do we still get hit with duty or is it now just the service charge from Canada Post and GST? I've seen that Canadians buy directly from Germany, but from what I can see, it doesn't appear to be advantageous so I'm wondering if I'm just missing something. BigGrin

Thanks

Mike



It's a quandary. Like others, I have less funds, to spend on less offerings.

In case you missed it, LokShop retired from the market this year.

As a Canadian, you should be able able to buy from any EU country and have the VAT removed from the MSRP. Be aware that individual countries have differing rates: Germany 19%; France 20%; Italy 22%. LeAtelierDuTrain in France; and Artufo in Italy, both stock Marklin. ModelbahnShop-Lippe will allow you to pre-order without pre-payment and with commitment to purchase (at least, they used to). Other stores may do this also.

Sadly, now you need to go through the complexities of defining your order at one store and comparing it to your 'local' dealer.
Warranty is another issue, returning a claim can be expensive.

Places that offer regular, heavy discounts, are your friend as the VAT is removed from the sale price, so a discounted item may end up being a real bargain.
Fine, young, Tweed salseman that y'are
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Offline Donb  
#4 Posted : 17 April 2025 14:02:51(UTC)
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Hi

I also used to be a customer of Lok shop, until Roland and Elizabeth retired. I switched to using lipppe.
Lippe has a flat rate of 27 euros for shipping to Canada via FedEx global Express. Very impressive service, packages often arrive in less than 7 days from ordering.
You will get a phone call from FedEx advising additional charges for taxes that need to be paid prior to delivery.
I had an issue with lippe and their use of paper packaging tape. It would often fail in transit. After threatening to stop dealing with them, the packages have arrived with plastic packaging tape.
I generally only order from Germany products that are not available in Canada, for example ulenbrock.
However their speed of delivery for new releases is impressive. If purchased locally, I often am waiting several months after the product is available in Europe.
For marklin product, I am told this is because the product is shipped by container to marklin usa, and then finally forwarded to the local dealer.
It would be nice if the local dealers could go back to having shipments direct from Europe.

Best Regards,
Don
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Offline obb_taurus  
#5 Posted : 17 April 2025 16:11:07(UTC)
obb_taurus

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Originally Posted by: Donb Go to Quoted Post
Hi

I also used to be a customer of Lok shop, until Roland and Elizabeth retired. I switched to using lipppe.
Lippe has a flat rate of 27 euros for shipping to Canada via FedEx global Express. Very impressive service, packages often arrive in less than 7 days from ordering.
You will get a phone call from FedEx advising additional charges for taxes that need to be paid prior to delivery.
I had an issue with lippe and their use of paper packaging tape. It would often fail in transit. After threatening to stop dealing with them, the packages have arrived with plastic packaging tape.
I generally only order from Germany products that are not available in Canada, for example ulenbrock.
However their speed of delivery for new releases is impressive. If purchased locally, I often am waiting several months after the product is available in Europe.
For marklin product, I am told this is because the product is shipped by container to marklin usa, and then finally forwarded to the local dealer.
It would be nice if the local dealers could go back to having shipments direct from Europe.



Hi Don,

I was sad to hear Lokshop had closed down, I started buying from them in their very early days and their service was exceptional and Roland was always very quick in responding to Emails, wish I could say the same for some dealers here in Canada.

Thanks for letting me know about the cost of shipping from Lippe, now that I have a rough idea of the shipping costs, it will make my decision a bit easier on where to get the Desiro.

I know all too well what you mean about waiting for months to get products which you've ordered through a Canadian dealer. I waited 9 1/2 months for my Northlander and during that time, I ordered stuff and told my dealer to wait until the Northlander arrives. In the end, I told the dealer to ship the other stuff I had waiting because it couldn't do anything on my layout without it, that happened a couple times and I was very annoyed cause of the extra shipping costs. I also have been waiting on the 39276, I ordered it back in Sept and as usual, Marklin missed their scheduled release date by roughly 3 months and it seem North America especially Canada is always the absolute last to get things. I think my dealer just got his shipment of the 39276 a couple days ago.

I don't know who came up with the stupid idea of shipping all orders to Marklin USA and then distribute it to all the local dealers, first off, by adding a middle man, this adds extra cost for us because the freight from Germany to the USA is passed on to us as is the shipping from Marklin USA to the dealer, so in essence we're paying 3 times for shipping. I totally agree, Marklin should go back to sending shipments to local dealers, perhaps all these tariff threats will force them to do so which in my opinion would be a good thing.

Mike
Offline Donb  
#6 Posted : 17 April 2025 17:00:19(UTC)
Donb

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Yes, the delivery speed issue is now compounded by the impending tariff. Since more and more Marklin is made in China this is going to be a serious problem for North American dealers.
However, shipping direct to Canadian dealers, for example is also fraught with problems. Transportation cost is high with larger shipments, so will need to be consolidated, probably involving container shipping to keep cost downwhich means more delays again.

Best Regards,
Don
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Offline Vinedusk  
#7 Posted : 18 April 2025 08:26:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Donb Go to Quoted Post
Yes, the delivery speed issue is now compounded by the impending tariff. Since more and more Marklin is made in China this is going to be a serious problem for North American dealers.
However, shipping direct to Canadian dealers, for example is also fraught with problems. Transportation cost is high with larger shipments, so will need to be consolidated, probably involving container shipping to keep cost down which means more delays again.



You need to experiment with adding to and from the store's cart. Some retailers will increase the freight cost, once it goes above a specific weight. For DHL, I think that was 2.0kg.
They're all slightly different.

With a store like Haertle, I think the shipping fee is flat at 40EUR. The advantage here is that increased purchase values trigger discounts. These show clearly in their cart. They often also have themed discount vouchers.

You also need to keep an eye on the CAD - EUR exchange rate.

With Fedex, if they are unable to deliver, the goods will go back to their depot. If you live in a rural area, this may cause some extra problem and cost to pick them up.

There's some effort in this, but in a few months, you possibly won't have any other choice.Blink
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Offline mike c  
#8 Posted : 19 April 2025 19:45:11(UTC)
mike c

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This discussion about the varying rates charged by dealers for shipping brings us to another issue.
Many postal services charge different rates to average clients versus corporate clients or bulk shippers.
I suspect that there are some dealers who do not get any discounts and pay full fare.
Others may get the basic corporate discounts and still charge the amount that a regular Joe would see if he looked up the cost on the website.
Yet others may get even greater bulk discounts and charge the customer whatever they want to.
I don't know whether you have noticed, but many parcels no longer show the actual postage costs on them

Regards

Mike C
Offline mvd71  
#9 Posted : 19 April 2025 21:36:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
This discussion about the varying rates charged by dealers for shipping brings us to another issue.
Many postal services charge different rates to average clients versus corporate clients or bulk shippers.
I suspect that there are some dealers who do not get any discounts and pay full fare.
Others may get the basic corporate discounts and still charge the amount that a regular Joe would see if he looked up the cost on the website.
Yet others may get even greater bulk discounts and charge the customer whatever they want to.
I don't know whether you have noticed, but many parcels no longer show the actual postage costs on them

Regards

Mike C


That’s interesting. I’ve been noticing an general increase in shipping costs out of Germany over the last couple of years. I’ve often wondered if some shops don’t take advantage of a minimum shipping cost eg €40 on small items, to maximise profits….. or maybe I’m just too suspicious? Blushing

Cheers….

Mike
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Offline marklinist5999  
#10 Posted : 20 April 2025 13:17:56(UTC)
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No Mike, I think shipping costs reflect the increase in fuel, etc. Maybe even man hours because of the pay increases for port staffing, drivers, insurance, and taxes too.I was recently quoted by FedEx $180 for round trip ground to south Florida on a 26# box about the size of a large dresser drawer. From southeast Michigan.
Offline mike c  
#11 Posted : 20 April 2025 16:10:06(UTC)
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My company has an account for shipping. I don't do as much shipping as I used to do in the 90s and early 2000s as the music industry has moved away from vinyl and CDs to digital delivery of promotional releases.
With the account, we would normally get a small discount on shipping that would increase if we shipped more stuff.
Today, when the official quote for shipping is say $47, the small business discount rate might be around $40, but companies that do immense volumes pay almost zero. That is why some may offer "free shipping" while others will still charge you either full or discounted shipping and take that as a hidden profit. I remember back in the days when a parcel from Germany, Switzerland or elsewhere would arrive with the top right corner covered in stamps and you could see exactly what it cost to ship. After that, the price would be printed on the sticker, but for the last few years, this no longer appears on the label, although it may still appear on some of the postal paperwork if included with the invoice. If it is on the invoice itself, that comes from the shipper and not the post office.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline Willem99  
#12 Posted : 21 April 2025 03:21:34(UTC)
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It was always fun to get a package with a lot of stamps, because I used to collect them, and trade them in school with friends.
Even the teacher was part of the club.
Alass, another hobby that has fallen away due to increased productivity and automation.
We were happy with little things, a lot of fun has disappeared over the years.
Tim
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Offline mvd71  
#13 Posted : 21 April 2025 12:00:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Willem99 Go to Quoted Post
It was always fun to get a package with a lot of stamps, because I used to collect them, and trade them in school with friends.
Even the teacher was part of the club.
Alass, another hobby that has fallen away due to increased productivity and automation.
We were happy with little things, a lot of fun has disappeared over the years.
Tim


Yes, and they tell us it’s progress!
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