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Offline Valentin  
#1 Posted : 27 November 2024 18:19:11(UTC)
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Valentin

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I was driving a locomotive on my layout when suddendly the whole system and the Mobile station died. I don’t think that the reason would be a short circuit because then the system just cut off the power from tracks but doesn’t switch off the MS. In addition, I bought that MS about two months ago.
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Offline mike c  
#2 Posted : 27 November 2024 18:59:00(UTC)
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First things to check:

1) Unplug the AC adapter (wall wart) and test it for voltage (DC) using a multimeter. Is it still providing power?

2) Check your track box and the pins on the cable to the MS.

3) Could there be a short on the tracks? I have had one of the power leads detach from C Track and it made contact with the other one.

I don't think that I have had a situation where my MS has automatically shut off during a short. Usually I hear a sound and press the "Stop" button and then look for the source.

Does the MS power up when the track box is disconnected from the tracks? That would indicate a problem on the layout (not the MS or track box).

Do you have a classic analog transformer? If yes, unplug the MS and the track box and connect the old transformer to the track and see what happens.
If everything works, this will indicate that the problem is with the track box/MS unit. If there is still a short (Train or track), the transformer will let you know.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline Valentin  
#3 Posted : 27 November 2024 19:35:15(UTC)
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Valentin

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Hi

Thanks for your message. I guess that the reason for total shut down is maybe the transformer. It’s over 10 years old and when I recently test it with 16V incandescent bulb, nothing happened.
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Offline Wolfram_Stn  
#4 Posted : 28 November 2024 10:18:09(UTC)
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To be clear: do we talk about a mobile station 2 https://www.maerklin.de/...te/details/article/60657 ? It has to be used with a Gleisbox https://www.maerklin.de/...te/details/article/60116 and a dedicated power supply, not a transformer...
Or did someone sell you an antique Mobile Station 1 https://www.maerklin.de/...te/details/article/60652 ? This one had to be used with a transformer - and the MS1 tends to die by burning the H bridge output. I have two, one is dead but can still serve as slave for the other, but I take care to stay below the 18VA nominal charge just to preserve it a little bit. They serve, mainly, to program some mfx decoders with new names.
If you have a MS1, replace it by a MS2. I'm sorry, that's a price to pay, but with the MS1 you will not find your luck.
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Offline Valentin  
#5 Posted : 28 November 2024 10:29:00(UTC)
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Valentin

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I have the Mobile station 2 but I already managed to figure out that the faulty transformer caused that blackdown. I replaced it by the new one and everything worked again.
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Offline Goofy  
#6 Posted : 01 December 2024 16:08:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Valentin Go to Quoted Post
I have the Mobile station 2 but I already managed to figure out that the faulty transformer caused that blackdown. I replaced it by the new one and everything worked again.


Did you also bought power feeder 66360 19 VDC?
You can only feed MS2 with dc power via black box 60116.
H0
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Offline marklinist5999  
#7 Posted : 01 December 2024 16:32:34(UTC)
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Goofy, why would his track box fail? He said everything is ok now.
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Offline Goofy  
#8 Posted : 01 December 2024 16:48:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Goofy, why would his track box fail? He said everything is ok now.


Read his comment...replaced a new one.
He did not verified the type of power feed.
Before he did used transformer but did he bought a new one transformer?
Sorry but it´s not my fault how i do read somebody comment.
I don´t get...how can someone use transformer when it stand only power feed use 19VDC for the black box 60116 to start MS2?

H0
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Offline Purellum  
#9 Posted : 01 December 2024 18:41:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
how can someone use transformer when it stand only power feed use 19VDC for the black box 60116 to start MS2?



It could be a transformer with build-in rectifier, like the 66181, or it could be Valentin using the word transformer for a SMPS.

You've done the same multiple times Laugh

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Offline H0  
#10 Posted : 02 December 2024 07:55:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Did you also bought power feeder 66360 19 VDC?
You can only feed MS2 with dc power via black box 60116.
Goofy fact check:
The 66360 has 18 V DC, not 19 V DC.
The MS2 works with track boxes 60112, 60113, 60116, and more. Colour of the track box does not matter.
The track boxes work with AC or DC.

Fact check: 100% successful.


Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I don´t get...how can someone use transformer when it stand only power feed use 19VDC for the black box 60116 to start MS2?
It is probably pointless to ask for a link to that piece of information. Is there a link?
Regards
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Offline Wolfram_Stn  
#11 Posted : 02 December 2024 19:59:41(UTC)
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Actually, Märklin site says that the boxes need a 66360 or 66361... but elder notices indicate a transformer. Just, you can not buy it new any more (60052 discontinued in 2011).
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