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Offline Cor Sanders  
#1 Posted : 30 July 2024 09:25:24(UTC)
Cor Sanders

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As a simple minded retired mechanical engineer of sorts with little electronic design experience I would like to play with solutions that pop up in my head. EWB on my 80286 at the time had all the relays and switches I needed with only the electronics of the time so I could work with that very well.
I found EWB for pc but the won’t run properly.
Anyone with advice around here?
Thanks in advance,
Cor
Offline Cor Sanders  
#2 Posted : 30 July 2024 13:03:27(UTC)
Cor Sanders

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8551ede5-e26c-4687-99a1-538cc5917b6c.mp4 (4,193kb) downloaded 30 time(s).A friend of mine listened to one of my thoughts of building a block that can be shorter that my trains. e.g. the train may cover more blocks whilst the last signal will only go to “safe to pass” when the last wheel has left that block.
I was experimenting with dpdt latching relays and such and he suggested to use "and logic". He sent me pictures and video from his android… I would prefer something like that software on pc

Edited by user 21 August 2024 19:11:21(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline Cor Sanders  
#3 Posted : 21 August 2024 19:03:35(UTC)
Cor Sanders

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This is now working on an oval with two blocks. A locomotive on its own will continually run around. When attaching cars making the train longer it will stop when the last wheelset is still in the previous (read next) block.
As the relays are 24vdc and the track ac I have included a bridge rectifier in line with the coils. One relay is a two-coil DPDT type, the other a "normal" DPDT.

This works in one direction. Ideas and or comments are welcome.
CorBlock Protection Relais 21-08-2024.jpg
Offline Purellum  
#4 Posted : 22 August 2024 20:36:04(UTC)
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Cool

Originally Posted by: Cor Sanders Go to Quoted Post
Ideas and or comments are welcome.


Hi Cor.

I'm sorry; but I don't get your diagram...

In the lower left corner you have a dotted blue line going nowhere and next to it a full blue line going to a rectifier, both of these makes no sense.

In the lower right corner you have a piece of track with no connection to the pukos.

in the top middle you have a ground going to a common terminal on a relay; but nothing else on that contact of the relay.

I've tried to figure out what your idea is; but at the moment I can't, and I won't spend a lot of time trying to figure it out.

Per.

Cool

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Offline Cor Sanders  
#5 Posted : 22 August 2024 22:38:31(UTC)
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IMG_6100.jpegIMG_6099.jpegHi Per, I am sure it is not the easiest drawing to study but pls. allow me to explain.

Firstly I am an old retired mechanical engineer, not electronically trained so this drawing I made in AutoCad.


What you are looking at are two dc relays (so the bridge rectifiers are to adjust ac to dc) and rail sections that form part of two blocks.

The lines are continual and dotted because I am using cat5 cable code to connect block to block

So, the first Blue dotted line to the relays of the previous block has the same function as the Blue dotted line of this block, they are connected to an insulated section of the track in the block to registrate the (last) wheel of a train. That way a train is not limited to the length of a block. Like in real a train may cover multiple blocks, but I digress.


So, for as long as wheels are in that block section the relay is activated by receiving - from the track thus powering the bridge rectifier, disconnecting the feed to the insulated pukos so a train will stop there. The Yellow lines are the + and - ac feed to the 3 rectifiers, the dc poles are connected to the coils of the relais. When the rectifiers receive a - they will feed dc to the coils. This also means that for as long as the block is occupied the latching relay has changed.

Now, the continual Blue line is connected to a switch in the puko area (24994) and you may now see that this will cause the latching relay to go back to its original position, disconnecting the puko feed so any train following will stop. When the last wheel has left this block the Green lines will be disconnected because the Blue dotted line has lost the - deactivating the coil. This means that a train in the previous block may now enter this block.

I hope this helps. If you have a digital controlled layout this will be of no interest to you, I understand that. But I am still happy you asked your question. My next bit to experiment is to use the free contacts of the latching relay for the Green/Red lights of the signal post... Not to mention a PCB layout to solder these components onto

I will post some pictures of the bits and a little test video of a circle with one locomotive

All the best and thanks,
Cor

Edit:
As the video is too big for this site I ‘ll post it on Facebook page instead
C.





Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Originally Posted by: Cor Sanders Go to Quoted Post
Ideas and or comments are welcome.


Hi Cor.

I'm sorry; but I don't get your diagram...

In the lower left corner you have a dotted blue line going nowhere and next to it a full blue line going to a rectifier, both of these makes no sense.

In the lower right corner you have a piece of track with no connection to the pukos.

in the top middle you have a ground going to a common terminal on a relay; but nothing else on that contact of the relay.

I've tried to figure out what your idea is; but at the moment I can't, and I won't spend a lot of time trying to figure it out.

Per.

Cool

Edited by user 23 August 2024 09:17:48(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline Toosmall  
#6 Posted : 27 August 2024 13:30:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cor Sanders Go to Quoted Post

Edit:
As the video is too big for this site I ‘ll post it on Facebook page instead
C.


Handbrake is brilliant for squashing videos, have been using for well over a decade, no ads, cost or anything.

https://handbrake.fr

'HandBrake is a open-source tool, built by volunteers, for converting video from nearly any format to a selection of modern, widely supported codecs.

Reasons you’ll love HandBrake:

Convert video from nearly any format
Free and Open Source
Multi-Platform (Windows, Mac and Linux)'
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Offline Cor Sanders  
#7 Posted : 28 August 2024 11:31:00(UTC)
Cor Sanders

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Originally Posted by: Toosmall Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Cor Sanders Go to Quoted Post

Edit:
As the video is too big for this site I ‘ll post it on Facebook page instead
C.


Handbrake is brilliant for squashing videos, have been using for well over a decade, no ads, cost or anything.

https://handbrake.fr

'HandBrake is a open-source tool, built by volunteers, for converting video from nearly any format to a selection of modern, widely supported codecs.

Reasons you’ll love HandBrake:

Convert video from nearly any format
Free and Open Source
Multi-Platform (Windows, Mac and Linux)'




As this is a pc converter and I can't even transfer this file to my pc I searched for a converter on my phone where the file is. And that worked too, for free *rubs knuckles on his chest with a grin on his face* but thanks for the suggestion, I have installed it and for sure it will come in handy :-)
Cor
Offline Cor Sanders  
#8 Posted : 28 August 2024 11:34:20(UTC)
Cor Sanders

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Location: North-West Wales, UK
IMG_6076.mp4 (3,705kb) downloaded 23 time(s).
Offline Toosmall  
#9 Posted : 28 August 2024 11:52:49(UTC)
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If it is difficult to use USB between phone & computer. Use Bluetooth. I do it when I couldn't be stuffed connecting Android phone & Mac computer. Ok it takes ages. but it is the simplest solution if it not a regular requirement.

Turn off other Bluetooth items so things don't turn down to a total crawl.
Offline Goofy  
#10 Posted : 28 August 2024 13:25:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cor Sanders Go to Quoted Post
This is now working on an oval with two blocks. A locomotive on its own will continually run around. When attaching cars making the train longer it will stop when the last wheelset is still in the previous (read next) block.
As the relays are 24vdc and the track ac I have included a bridge rectifier in line with the coils. One relay is a two-coil DPDT type, the other a "normal" DPDT.

This works in one direction. Ideas and or comments are welcome.
CorBlock Protection Relais 21-08-2024.jpg


I don´t understand why in this way?
Tried by use one pole switchable signal relay at 12VDC by use power feeder to the coil while switch contact feed via AC/digital source?
You have to use switch contact tracks too or reed switch.
The diagram which you show up are waste.

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DCC = Digital Command Control
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Offline Cor Sanders  
#11 Posted : 28 August 2024 13:35:03(UTC)
Cor Sanders

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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Cor Sanders Go to Quoted Post
This is now working on an oval with two blocks. A locomotive on its own will continually run around. When attaching cars making the train longer it will stop when the last wheelset is still in the previous (read next) block.
As the relays are 24vdc and the track ac I have included a bridge rectifier in line with the coils. One relay is a two-coil DPDT type, the other a "normal" DPDT.

This works in one direction. Ideas and or comments are welcome.
CorBlock Protection Relais 21-08-2024.jpg


I don´t understand why in this way?
Tried by use one pole switchable signal relay at 12VDC by use power feeder to the coil while switch contact feed via AC/digital source?
You have to use switch contact tracks too or reed switch.
The diagram which you show up are waste.




OK Goofy. but the solid Blue line goes to the switch track 24994 putting the latching relay back

Please, as I am not an electrician but do have an understanding of it, if the sketch has mistakes do outline those with Red circles and instructions as where I go wrong and I will digg deeper to sort it out, hoping that when it works reliably others may have use of it too.


Thanks for your comment,
Cor
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