Welcome to the forum   
Welcome Guest! To enable all features please Login or Register.

Notification

Icon
Error

Share
Options
View
Go to last post in this topic Go to first unread post in this topic
Offline cookee_nz  
#1 Posted : 19 February 2024 00:53:39(UTC)
cookee_nz

New Zealand   
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC)
Posts: 3,964
Location: Paremata, Wellington
Hi all,

Doing a little research into these for an article and I know some members here will have examples.

They are very distinctive, first released in 1957, and various versions were available until 1972.

Note that these are quite a specific style, not to be confused with any other similar signs or posters.

In the Sales Aids catalogues (Werbehilfen) these are referred to as "Foto-Plakate" (57-59) or "Lichtdruck-Plakate" from 1960.

The English catalogues refer them as "Radiant-print Posters" however for consistency I am referring to these as "Placards" to distinguish from the many other styles of posters and as a nod to the shared origins of the word.

1957 - 59 the dimensions were 40.3 x 29.5, the first two featured the 3021 and 3005. These were a 3-colour process.

From 1960 they changed to a 5-colour printing process and the new dimensions were 40 x 30 (12 x 16"). The background is a pastel colour with just the MÄRKLIN logo and the item.

I'm particularly interested in the variation between the early 3-colour and improved 5-colour process differences and how obvious they might be. It seems only the 3021 was produced in both.

The construction method has the printed image (on card) folded over at the edges and glued onto a cardboard support backing.

Attached to the backing is a fold-out stand to enable the sign to be free-standing, or via a small hole at top to attach nylon for hanging from the ceiling.

I have two examples of these myself, the 3075 and 3094. In total there are 20 - 25 different examples that I have identified, plus a couple of Metal-baukasten examples also)

They look great in any train room and large quantities were printed, so, who has any examples and can post clear photos? (front and rear if possible).

3075 3094 Poster.jpg


The rear support...

Sign - rear support stand.jpg


Here's an example page from the 1968 dealer "Publicity Aids" catalogue

1968 - Publicity Aids-p12.jpg

Thanks in advance

Edited by user 17 June 2024 12:38:46(UTC)  | Reason: Typos

Cookee
Wellington
NZ image
thanks 11 users liked this useful post by cookee_nz
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2 Posted : 20 February 2024 03:05:29(UTC)
Bigdaddynz

New Zealand   
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC)
Posts: 18,683
Location: New Zealand
We need full page scans of your ones Cookee.

These are the ones I have - some came from some of Julian's posters, some came off the net.

3003a - resized.jpg

3051a - Copy.jpg

BR23.jpg

V100.jpg

3054.jpg

0609_1280a.jpg

BR44-large.jpg

3051.jpg

3013a - Copy.jpg
thanks 7 users liked this useful post by Bigdaddynz
Offline cookee_nz  
#3 Posted : 20 February 2024 06:27:28(UTC)
cookee_nz

New Zealand   
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC)
Posts: 3,964
Location: Paremata, Wellington
Thanks Dave,

Most of those are not the actual Placards I'm looking for. I suspect they are enlargements of other images, ie postcards.

For the purpose of my article, I'm limiting my search in relation to only those items found in the Advertising catalogues, and, photos of originals where possible (those with the stands attached at the rear), and confirmation of the dimensions.

I started a list of the ones that were not matches, quickly realised it was a shorter list of the ones that ARE correct BigGrin

Only the V200 and the Cl 44 690 are correct.

Distinguishing features are

1: None of the original Plakards has a white background for the MÄRKLIN logo

2: The position of the MÄRKLIN logo on the image

3: Size. The class 23 (#3) is actually a large poster, not a Placard (which are all 30 x 40).

But.... top marks for effort. As much as anything it will help confirm which of the various examples people has were actual dealer items, and which are reproductions of other items, such as the smaller postcards.

It's also entirely possible that Märklin made changes during the availability period of these, however I've generally found the advertising catalogues to be generally accurate when it comes to items like this.

Once I have sufficient examples for validation, there may be enough information to determine where the 'also-rans' fit into Märklins promotional strategy and help to identify them.

Cheers
Cookee
Wellington
NZ image
thanks 3 users liked this useful post by cookee_nz
Offline Br502362  
#4 Posted : 20 February 2024 08:30:19(UTC)
Br502362

Finland   
Joined: 05/03/2014(UTC)
Posts: 683
Location: Finland
Hi,

We had one featuring 3030 electric locomotive, but unfortunately it has been missing since we moved in 1966 Sad

3030.JPG

Cheers
Åke


thanks 4 users liked this useful post by Br502362
Offline cookee_nz  
#5 Posted : 20 February 2024 11:05:22(UTC)
cookee_nz

New Zealand   
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC)
Posts: 3,964
Location: Paremata, Wellington
Originally Posted by: Br502362 Go to Quoted Post
Hi,

We had one featuring 3030 electric locomotive, but unfortunately it has been missing since we moved in 1966 Sad

Cheers
Åke



1966...? let's hope it turns up one day, that's quite a rare one, 1958 & 59 only and is one I have not yet found a colour image of.

Thanks Åke :-)
Cookee
Wellington
NZ image
thanks 2 users liked this useful post by cookee_nz
Offline cookee_nz  
#6 Posted : 22 February 2024 22:59:35(UTC)
cookee_nz

New Zealand   
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC)
Posts: 3,964
Location: Paremata, Wellington
With the kind permission of Frank Ronneburg (tischbahn.de, mikado-katalog.de/) I'll post some images of the Placards to prompt further discussion.

I begin with one of the first from 1957-1959, the 3005 Cl 23. The loco number on the image is 23 014. The catalogue number of the Placard itself is 19130, 40.3 x 29.5.

Any other examples of this version?


3005 - 23014 (19130) (Small).jpg 1957 - 002.jpg
Cookee
Wellington
NZ image
thanks 5 users liked this useful post by cookee_nz
Offline cookee_nz  
#7 Posted : 29 February 2024 00:58:46(UTC)
cookee_nz

New Zealand   
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC)
Posts: 3,964
Location: Paremata, Wellington
OK, no more responses so I'll move on to the next one in the series for the 3021 V200.

This was also first released in 1957, and is the only other Placard for that year. But... there are several versions of this print just to keep things interesting.

Here is the first edition which is in the early tri-colour printing, the three colours being the Loco itself, B&W, the pastel background, and of course the red MÄRKLIN Logo.


3021 - 200006 (3-colour).jpg 1957 3021 19131.jpg
Cookee
Wellington
NZ image
thanks 6 users liked this useful post by cookee_nz
Offline cookee_nz  
#8 Posted : 25 March 2024 20:29:27(UTC)
cookee_nz

New Zealand   
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC)
Posts: 3,964
Location: Paremata, Wellington
Next update brings us to 1958. The 3005 and 3021 placards are still available as above without changes.

Added to the series this year is the 3019 SJ Loco. This one has proven *very* elusive and I have not yet been able to find a good clear colour image of the original.

In post #4 earlier, Åke showed an image where he had one, but has not found it for many years since.

Like the earlier two, 3-colour means the background colour, the Märklin logo, and the Loco itself in B/W.

I note that the description states it's 3030 / 3019, and being in B/W you might think they are the same, however the 3030 Loco features the black shield between the headlights, whereas the 3019 is painted green (in the same way the 3018 version is a painted brown shield).

The black shield would show up in the image as such so I'm just going to refer to it as the 3019.

Enjoy


Item ref 19132 from 1958


3019 - 1958.jpg

19132 - 3030 & 3109 1958 adjusted2.jpg

UPDATE - with thanks for Frank Ronneburg an image of the elusive placard has now been supplied BigGrin

Edited by user 01 April 2024 22:52:52(UTC)  | Reason: Added image adjusted for camera skew

Cookee
Wellington
NZ image
thanks 5 users liked this useful post by cookee_nz
Offline cookee_nz  
#9 Posted : 02 April 2024 12:41:50(UTC)
cookee_nz

New Zealand   
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC)
Posts: 3,964
Location: Paremata, Wellington
Added SJ Loco placard now found
Cookee
Wellington
NZ image
thanks 1 user liked this useful post by cookee_nz
Offline cookee_nz  
#10 Posted : 14 April 2024 04:59:07(UTC)
cookee_nz

New Zealand   
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC)
Posts: 3,964
Location: Paremata, Wellington
Now onto the year 1959, and the Loco placards from the three previous years are unchanged. There is no new Loco placard for this Jubilee year but there is a new 6-colour Placard to commemorate 100 years showing the first Loco from Marklin in 1891, along with the V200 3021 & Cl. 23 3005.

The commemoration of 1859 as the founding year has been debated over the years by many historians with the actual founding years being anywhere from 1856 - 1859 and in same cases even later. For their own reasons Märklin decided 1859 was the year to be 'official'.

The "100 Years" book that the Locos are depicted sitting on is to the best of my knowledge just an artist rendering and does not exist as a printed book.

1959-60 Jubilaums-Werbehilfen P13.jpg

Here are two colour examples of the actual placards, the colour difference will likely be down to original capture lighting, and quality of the originals. With thanks again to several contributors including Leon S. and Frank R. from who I 'borrowed' at least one of the images
(See Frank's own article on them - https://tischbahn.de/jub...ahre-maerklin-von-1959/)


19140 Poster 32.5 x 43cm 1959 (schild-19140_100_jahre_marklin).jpg 19140-100Years.jpg

Edited by user 18 April 2024 04:54:29(UTC)  | Reason: Added detail

Cookee
Wellington
NZ image
thanks 7 users liked this useful post by cookee_nz
Offline cookee_nz  
#11 Posted : 25 April 2024 11:02:53(UTC)
cookee_nz

New Zealand   
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC)
Posts: 3,964
Location: Paremata, Wellington
Moving forward into the 60's, there are now 4 placards in the program.

The previous 3005 & 3030/3018 are withdrawn, and three new models added. And all are now printed using a 5-colour system.

The 3021 V200 is the only model carried over and being in colour the placard receives a new catalogue reference, changing from 19131 to 19133

Shown here from the Werbehilfen catalogue

3021 - 1960 Werbehilfen  - p13.jpg

And an image of the new placard...

3021 - V200006 - 19133 3021.jpg

Edited by user 26 April 2024 08:34:10(UTC)  | Reason: Typo

Cookee
Wellington
NZ image
thanks 6 users liked this useful post by cookee_nz
Offline cookee_nz  
#12 Posted : 17 June 2024 09:19:33(UTC)
cookee_nz

New Zealand   
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC)
Posts: 3,964
Location: Paremata, Wellington
Continuing on in 1960, the little 3029 Steam Loco makes it's first appearance as a new catalogue item and on an advertising placard

Shown here in the publicity / werbehilfen catalogue, item #19134

0126010 - 013.jpg

And an example of the item (courtesy Frank R.)

3029 (Small).jpg
Cookee
Wellington
NZ image
thanks 5 users liked this useful post by cookee_nz
Users browsing this topic
OceanSpiders 2.0
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

| Powered by YAF.NET | YAF.NET © 2003-2024, Yet Another Forum.NET
This page was generated in 0.519 seconds.