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Offline waterslip  
#1 Posted : 20 November 2023 14:37:35(UTC)
waterslip

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Hello Community,
I have a Marklin 39810 which has like 30 functions. My layout is controlled using a 6021. I cannot operate all the train`s functions. I tried setting the CV 49 address to 07 and 03 and that only only unlocked 3rd and 4th address functions, so in total 12 functions. But I cannot unlock more. I consulted all other topics without avail. All I have is a 6021 which I am not planning on replacing anytime soon.
How is it possible to unlock the remainining functions? and if not is it possible to remap them ? example I map function 20 to be on f8 ?

Thank you,


Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 20 November 2023 15:00:14(UTC)
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You can activate 4 MM addresses to get 15, 16, or 17 functions or so, depending on the decoder.
When setting CV 49 to 3, there should be four sequential addresses.
When setting CV 49 to 7, you can set 4 addresses independently.
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Tom
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Offline waterslip  
#3 Posted : 20 November 2023 17:11:18(UTC)
waterslip

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Hello Tom, and so good to hear from you again, I did try the following:

When setting CV 49 to 3, there should be four sequential addresses. : When I did this it only unlocked 3rd and 4th (address 52 and 53) for functions (f5-f12)
When setting CV 49 to 7, you can set 4 addresses independently. : How can I set those addresses independently ? and how will that help me unlock further functions ? The train factory address is 51.

Thanks

Offline H0  
#4 Posted : 20 November 2023 17:33:40(UTC)
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With value 7, second address is CV 75, third address is CV 17 and fourth address is CV 18.
With value 3, the train should respond to addresses 51, 52, 53, and 54.

Do you know someone with a Central Station or Mobile Station? In the past I encountered problems activating all four addresses with the 6021, but once activated with a Central Station all four addresses could be used with a 6021 and even with a starter set controller that only has 4 addresses in total.
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Tom
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Offline waterslip  
#5 Posted : 20 November 2023 18:15:09(UTC)
waterslip

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With value 7, second address is CV 75, third address is CV 17 and fourth address is CV 18.
Yes I did read about this in other posts, so by doing this does it mean, f5-f8 is on address 75, f9-f12 is on address 17.. and so fourth ?But what what the remaining functions ? Your input is much appreciated.


Do you know someone with a Central Station or Mobile Station? once activated with a Central Station all four addresses could be used with a 6021
I am looking into this one as well, I read success results using that approach.

Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 20 November 2023 18:47:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: waterslip Go to Quoted Post
But what what the remaining functions?
I think f0 through f16 is the maximum you can get with Märklin decoders.
With a Central Station one can easily assign function keys. Thus you can move boring sounds to f17 through f31 and interesting effects to f0 through f16, placing the most interesting function on f0 through f4.

Regards
Tom
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Offline clapcott  
#7 Posted : 20 November 2023 23:42:18(UTC)
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Reminder.
The 4th address, which may be thought/expected to support F13-F16, is decoder/controller specific in its implementation.
Some may only allow up to F14 (i.e F1 and F2 on 4th address) or up to F15 (F1,F2,F3)

Related;
You will find comments in the document of some mFX+ decoders to the effect that F15 is ...
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#8 Posted : 20 November 2023 23:50:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: waterslip Go to Quoted Post

But what what the remaining functions ? Your input is much appreciated.


Marklin have only ever had four MM2 addresses giving 16 (well +F0 for headlight) addresses as an extension to allow mfx items to be controlled by a 6021. Remember mfx originally had only the 16 functions, so that was all the MM2 expansion method accommodated.

The route to accessing the remaining functions is to get a cs, and the Marklin 6000 series items adapter to allow you to use your existing investment with the new system. But do remember that in terms of controlling locos from 603x controllers you will still have significant limitations on function availability, unless there is some sneaky functionality I am not aware of.

Remember the items you are now purchasing have maintained backward compatibility, but that doesn't mean you get total functionality.

Offline clapcott  
#9 Posted : 20 November 2023 23:55:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: waterslip Go to Quoted Post
... only only unlocked 3rd and 4th address functions, so in total 12 functions.


This statement might need editing.
F0 stands alone,
then 4 x 4 = 16
making a possible 17 Function BUTTONS

As to the actual functions within a (modern mfx) loco decoder you may select which map to a BUTTON and this may be more than one AND qualified by a controller button.
e.g. setting F10 ...
- OFF would control whether F11-14 played sounds #1-#4
- ON would control whether F11-14 played sounds #5-#8



Peter
Offline kiwiAlan  
#10 Posted : 21 November 2023 00:29:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post


As to the actual functions within a (modern mfx) loco decoder you may select which map to a BUTTON and this may be more than one AND qualified by a controller button.
e.g. setting F10 ...
- OFF would control whether F11-14 played sounds #1-#4
- ON would control whether F11-14 played sounds #5-#8


Yeah, but to do that he is going to need something more than a 6021, at a minimum a 60971 with associated software running on a PC, to do the remapping, or a cs2 or cs3.

Once he starts down that road, getting an ms2 and using the loco as it comes sounds like a much more sensible idea, by the time one has learnt how to use the programmer software. using an ms2 he can use all 32 possible functions on any loco fitted with them without having to remember a matrix of 'what turns this function off or on'.

A 60971 would be a not insignificant proportion of an ms2 setup in cost, plus having a Windows PC to run the software.



Offline bph  
#11 Posted : 21 November 2023 12:53:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: waterslip Go to Quoted Post
... only only unlocked 3rd and 4th address functions, so in total 12 functions.


This statement might need editing.
F0 stands alone,
then 4 x 4 = 16
making a possible 17 Function BUTTONS

As to the actual functions within a (modern mfx) loco decoder you may select which map to a BUTTON and this may be more than one AND qualified by a controller button.
e.g. setting F10 ...
- OFF would control whether F11-14 played sounds #1-#4
- ON would control whether F11-14 played sounds #5-#8


f0+f16 is the maximum on 6021, and usually f15(4th address f3) does not work, because of some system limitation. So normally 16 functions in total. (might be different with other decoder brands)
at least this was my experience when mapping Marklin decoders on my old 6021. Sometimes when I had problems activating all the following addresses, I turned them all off and then activated them again.

Offline marklinist5999  
#12 Posted : 21 November 2023 14:07:05(UTC)
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Myself, had I not already had a CS3, I wouldn't have got the 39810. Glad I got a CS3 first. My 6021 I still use on a test track, and for a Christmas oval under our tree.
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