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Offline Mark5  
#1 Posted : 12 September 2023 19:33:33(UTC)
Mark5

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Trying to find if Marklin has made versions of the E94 or 194 that match my years of interest in Era 3, DB and DR. Most of what I see turns up Era IV for say 3322.
The wikipedia entry is pretty useless.
Anybody know of a better link or reference?

A list of years and road numbers is also what I am looking for,
which would include DB or DR versions in Era 3

Any AC versions would be of interest, not just Marklin.


Added: Ok found this but not sure if I am interpreting this correctly, plus no years of service etc for each unit.
https://www.bundesbahnzeit.de/seite.php?id=609

Edited by user 13 September 2023 23:12:24(UTC)  | Reason: added link

DB DR FS NS SNCF c. 1950-65, fan of station architecture esp. from 1920-70.
In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
Offline Alsterstreek  
#2 Posted : 12 September 2023 20:45:34(UTC)
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Does this help?

The E94 was procured between 1940 and 1956, i.e. DB introduced the last E94 in 1956. As of 1968, DB renumbered the E94 to 194. DB began retiring the first units in 1984, DR with its twisted E94 saga in 1974 and ÖBB in 1976. Thus, all DB and ÖBB units existing at the beginning of era 3 were still in service at the end of era 3 (the DR situation was different).

Source: http://www.deutsches-krokodil.de/bre94.htm

Overview of E94 models (scroll down to era 3):

https://www.modellbau-wi...de/wiki/DR-Baureihe_E_94
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Offline Mark5  
#3 Posted : 12 September 2023 23:30:43(UTC)
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Thank so much Henning, lots of good stuff in the links,

Now to find something (prototype and appropriate model) that was on the rails from 1950 to 1964 and where...?
Finding routes that are interesting to think about for modelling is probably the hardest thing to consider. If even one siding or bit of urban area, or landscape matching that route then I can think more clearly about what I want to do with the train/route in question.

There is an interesting term that come up in the translator when building multiples in 54 to 56 made on the original prototype it used the term "replica" for "Nachbau". Usually we associate replica with something made from scratch to imitate something much older. Is it common in German?




DB DR FS NS SNCF c. 1950-65, fan of station architecture esp. from 1920-70.
In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
Offline applor  
#4 Posted : 13 September 2023 01:13:28(UTC)
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I use the Epoche IIIa variant, Roco 69773.

If you are wanting to model an actual train consist, head over to https://eisenbahnstiftung.de/bildergalerie and in the BR box type 'E 94'

You can also head to the German railways Tapatalk group, train consists - they have a thread dedicated to era 3 freight trains, just need to find one with the E 94.
modelling era IIIa (1951-1955) Germany
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Offline Mark5  
#5 Posted : 13 September 2023 04:58:38(UTC)
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Thank you for reminding me, Eric. The eisenbahnstiftung bildergalerie is such a brilliant resource. I really have to avoid the lazy way of doing searches that only lead me to commercial sites that pushed up in the search engines.

The images of locomotives during production really thrill me as they put me into the historical moment of something new being birthed... at that time.
https://eisenbahnstiftun.../bildergalerie/50901.jpg

I will have to look further to see if I can find some regular runs that might have occured. I see some with passenger cars too, which is an option, but I was thinking of making a freight consist. How long do you think they got to? I do see a few long trains there.

Originally Posted by: applor Go to Quoted Post
I use the Epoche IIIa variant, Roco 69773.

If you are wanting to model an actual train consist, head over to https://eisenbahnstiftung.de/bildergalerie and in the BR box type 'E 94'

You can also head to the German railways Tapatalk group, train consists - they have a thread dedicated to era 3 freight trains, just need to find one with the E 94.


DB DR FS NS SNCF c. 1950-65, fan of station architecture esp. from 1920-70.
In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 13 September 2023 08:51:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark5 Go to Quoted Post
There is an interesting term that come up in the translator when building multiples in 54 to 56 made on the original prototype it used the term "replica" for "Nachbau". Usually we associate replica with something made from scratch to imitate something much older. Is it common in German?
The term "Nachbau" can be seen as "re-production" here. Usually a reproduction is a copy or replica, but in the case of those locomotives they started the real production again.
As far as I can tell, the term is common for the post-war production of pre-war or war locomotives, but is also used for license productions of cars or locomotives.

Automatic translations fail often if words have several meanings.
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Offline Mark5  
#7 Posted : 13 September 2023 23:11:53(UTC)
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Ok So there appear to be various version of the 3022 with various road numbers.

Did Marklin ever release an analog or digital version of the E94 for DB?

Would the Deutsch Reichsbahn DRG E94 version 3022 be suitable in the DR during Era III?

Is there somewhere I can see all the Marklin or AC versions of the E94?

DB DR FS NS SNCF c. 1950-65, fan of station architecture esp. from 1920-70.
In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
Offline applor  
#8 Posted : 13 September 2023 23:24:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark5 Go to Quoted Post
Ok So there appear to be various version of the 3022 with various road numbers.

Did Marklin ever release an analog or digital version of the E94 for DB?

Would the Deutsch Reichsbahn DRG E94 version 3022 be suitable in the DR during Era III?

Is there somewhere I can see all the Marklin or AC versions of the E94?





AK already posted the link to see all the E94/194 versions. Look for those listed as 'WS' = wechselstrom which means AC. You need to decide if you want the epIII in DR or DB...


Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post


Overview of E94 models (scroll down to era 3):

https://www.modellbau-wi...de/wiki/DR-Baureihe_E_94


modelling era IIIa (1951-1955) Germany
Offline Mark5  
#9 Posted : 13 September 2023 23:42:11(UTC)
Mark5

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Sorry Eric, I realize now that I did see the link but did not scroll down to see the corresponding model numbers in the table. When I open a page in German I sometimes end up bookmarking for later translation.

Eventually I plan to get both in epIII, one for DB and one for DR would work well for me.
The remaining question is the routes.


Originally Posted by: applor Go to Quoted Post

AK already posted the link to see all the E94/194 versions. Look for those listed as 'WS' = wechselstrom which means AC. You need to decide if you want the epIII in DR or DB...
Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post

Overview of E94 models (scroll down to era 3):
https://www.modellbau-wi...de/wiki/DR-Baureihe_E_94



DB DR FS NS SNCF c. 1950-65, fan of station architecture esp. from 1920-70.
In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
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