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Offline danmarklinman  
#101 Posted : 03 March 2023 05:38:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Go to Quoted Post
Hi all. I thought I would attempt a quick video on the different between British Ho and European HO loading gauge.
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Hi Dan,
That is a brilliant video showing the difference between British and continental sizes in railway rolling stock.
Better than all the figures I can quote.

Is the British ferry wagon a Märklin product?

regards
Kimball



Hi, thanks for the nice comment. No all my ferry vans are of different makes. The one in the video is by ACME. It came as a set of three. I’ll put up another video of all of the ferry wagons I have in U.K. gauge soon.
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Offline IanC  
#102 Posted : 03 March 2023 09:26:18(UTC)
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Nice illustration Dan, a picture tells a thousand words
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Offline bph  
#103 Posted : 03 March 2023 11:20:58(UTC)
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Here is a video of a class 66 locomotive in Norway, showing the loading gauge differences in real life.(watch from 0:53)

the T66 404 in the video is the former cargo net CD 66 404, 39063
The class 66 locomotive from Märklin is quite nice and fits well with other Marklin locomotives and wagons. :).

Some Di8's, as seen first in the video, was sold to England and used by Teesside Steelworks / British Steel Scunthorpe.
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Offline Goofy  
#104 Posted : 06 March 2023 20:37:55(UTC)
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As matter in fact...UK rail roader wants Flying Scotsman in scale 1:76.
An interesting note...Märklin have not always produce in scale 1:87 locomotives model.
Already before second war world 2 they did produced models in scale 00 1:76.
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Offline marklinist5999  
#105 Posted : 06 March 2023 21:08:15(UTC)
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yes, they did Goofy, and at least a few live steam in OO.
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#106 Posted : 07 March 2023 03:59:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Here is a video of a class 66 locomotive in Norway, showing the loading gauge differences in real life.(watch from 0:53)
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Hello bph,

Thanks for the video.
So is the class 66 in the video built to the British loading gauge?
That is so much smaller than continental and Norway.
And smaller than Denmark where I observed quite large trains.

So are other class 66 in Continental Europe and Scandinavia built to a different loading gauge to the British-built units?
Kimball
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Offline Carim  
#107 Posted : 07 March 2023 13:06:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post

So is the class 66 in the video built to the British loading gauge?
Kimball


Yes. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_Class_66

Carim
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Offline H0  
#108 Posted : 07 March 2023 13:21:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
So are other class 66 in Continental Europe and Scandinavia built to a different loading gauge to the British-built units?
I learned that class 66 were built near London.
London, Ontario, that is.
I don't know if some "continental" class 66 have air condition that is too big for UK loading gauge, but otherwise they are all the same size AFAIK.
AFAIK all class 66 are built for left-hand driving. Locos built for Germany use right-hand driving.
Regards
Tom
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Offline bph  
#109 Posted : 07 March 2023 14:22:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
So are other class 66 in Continental Europe and Scandinavia built to a different loading gauge to the British-built units?
I learned that class 66 were built near London.
London, Ontario, that is.
I don't know if some "continental" class 66 have air condition that is too big for UK loading gauge, but otherwise they are all the same size AFAIK.
AFAIK all class 66 are built for left-hand driving. Locos built for Germany use right-hand driving.


Some continental class 66 has been sold to the UK, and modified for the UK lines. and it seems like the AC units have been removed. https://www.mainlinediesels.net/index.php?nav=1000677&lang=en&id=10449&action=shownews

there were plans for a Class 66EU version to fit the UIC 505-1 loading gauge, but it was cancelled.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#110 Posted : 07 March 2023 16:21:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post

So is the class 66 in the video built to the British loading gauge?
That is so much smaller than continental and Norway.
And smaller than Denmark where I observed quite large trains.

So are other class 66 in Continental Europe and Scandinavia built to a different loading gauge to the British-built units?
Kimball


Marklin had a whole piece about the size of the Class 66, and how it was originally designed for UK loading gauge, and then migrated to the continent without changing size. It is in the NI brochure where Marklin first announced the Class 66, about 5 years ago now.
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Offline bph  
#111 Posted : 08 March 2023 23:33:37(UTC)
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the Flying Scotsman with Orient Express/Pullman coaches might be somewhat "realistic" after all.

The flying Scotsman can be seen in the movie "102 dalmatians" pulling the "Orient Express" (later in the movie it is replaced by the 73082 Camelot)


watch from 0:55 and 1:52
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#112 Posted : 09 March 2023 01:02:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
the Flying Scotsman with Orient Express/Pullman coaches might be somewhat "realistic" after all.

The flying Scotsman can be seen in the movie "102 dalmatians" pulling the "Orient Express" (later in the movie it is replaced by the 73082 Camelot)


Yeah, and 73082 is pulling some very non-Pullman coaches ... Blink Blink

Nice bit of start up wheel slip from Flying Scotsman, and niceky caught as well. BigGrin BigGrin

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Offline steventrain  
#113 Posted : 10 March 2023 21:10:34(UTC)
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Due in shop October-December 2023.

Marklin database show Q4/2023.
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Offline steventrain  
#114 Posted : 10 March 2023 23:30:22(UTC)
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I notice model have chimny too high and BR Chest too large on tender.

I will email to marklin to sort out and correct it.
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Offline Goofy  
#115 Posted : 11 March 2023 10:28:55(UTC)
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Cost a bit over €600,00 in Sweden.
I pass over since there is no details about railway carriage for the steam locomotive.
Collector may be interested to get this loco.
It´s afterall just only one time series model.
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Offline bph  
#116 Posted : 11 March 2023 11:36:19(UTC)
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Are there any suitable Australian HO coaches?. E.g Model of coaches that was actually used on the Australian trip?.

And as a side note, when the Flying Scotsman returned from Australia to the UK, the voyage went around the Cape Horn, making it the first (and only?) steam locomotive to circumnavigate the earth Cool
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Offline Carim  
#117 Posted : 11 March 2023 11:49:55(UTC)
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Personally, I wouldn't get too worried about what carriages you run with this loco. The model is based on how the loco looks now; so when it runs on steam specials it will pull any carriage that is approved to run on the current network (typically versions of UK Mk.I carriages). But I have even seen steam specials with air conditioned coaches in the rake. On heritage railways, almost anything goes.

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Offline steventrain  
#118 Posted : 11 March 2023 20:53:24(UTC)
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I have email from local model shop offer me for £495.

I reply email to him to put add to my order.ThumpUp
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#119 Posted : 12 March 2023 09:54:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Are there any suitable Australian HO coaches?. E.g Model of coaches that was actually used on the Australian trip?.

And as a side note, when the Flying Scotsman returned from Australia to the UK, the voyage went around the Cape Horn, making it the first (and only?) steam locomotive to circumnavigate the earth Cool


Hello bph,
Thanks for the information.
I like the circumnavigation story.

Yes there are many Australian railway coaches in the model shops here, mostly HO scale.
Whether specifically they ran behind the Flying Scotsman I could not say.
But from my scant knowledge mostly NSW Gov Rlwy coaches were used behind the engine.
There are plenty of steam era models of these coach types.
Lima made some years ago, and then there are other local brands available, some in kit form.

Kimball
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Offline danmarklinman  
#120 Posted : 12 March 2023 10:27:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Carim Go to Quoted Post
Personally, I wouldn't get too worried about what carriages you run with this loco. The model is based on how the loco looks now; so when it runs on steam specials it will pull any carriage that is approved to run on the current network (typically versions of UK Mk.I carriages). But I have even seen steam specials with air conditioned coaches in the rake. On heritage railways, almost anything goes.

Carim


Yes, and actually it’s entirely legit, as to those outside the U.K perhaps don’t know. And it’s not far from me is a steam railway at Peterborough called the Nene Valley Railway. This railway features a small amount of European steam and coaches bought in in the 1970s
The railway use to be a base for a lot of TV and films made there. James Bond ect, as well as tvs secret army. Most of the coaches are of Belgium and Swedish origin. The engines are Danish, Swedish and German. Although most if not all German locos returned to Europe. Marklin last surprise loco, the DSB machine can be found there in a rather it has to be said sorry state.
I have a picture of myself as a teenager standing in the cab of a German tank engine, class 64 or 80. I’m not sure which? Here’s some pics.
https://transportsofdeli...LLEY-RAILWAY/i-TjSCCnp/A
Swedish 996 at Rail World at the end of the line? Dan.
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https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4615876
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Offline bph  
#121 Posted : 12 March 2023 15:45:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
I notice model have chimny too high and BR Chest too large on tender.

I will email to marklin to sort out and correct it.


perhaps Märklin mixed up some chimney measurements.....? The flying Scotsman was originally built to fit the GNR loading gauge, but when it received a new boiler in 1928 it was converted to the slightly smaller LNER loading gauge. The height of the chimney, dome and some other things was reduced. Were there different dimensions on the double chimney also? or is it down to the perspective and camera angles of the photos?
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#122 Posted : 13 March 2023 07:23:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
I notice model have chimny too high and BR Chest too large on tender.

I will email to marklin to sort out and correct it.


perhaps Märklin mixed up some chimney measurements.....? The flying Scotsman was originally built to fit the GNR loading gauge, but when it received a new boiler in 1928 it was converted to the slightly smaller LNER loading gauge. The height of the chimney, dome and some other things was reduced. Were there different dimensions on the double chimney also? or is it down to the perspective and camera angles of the photos?


You are correct bph.
Flying Scotsman as an A1 then an A3 (originally #1472, then #4472, then #103, then #60103) has had as many boiler and detail changes as number changes.

In fact I can quote from a member of an LNER group as follows:
"Flying Scotsman and the then A3 classes started having Double Chimneys fitted from 1958 and some with A4 Boilers about the same time/period.
See https://www.lner.info/locos/A/a1a3a10.php " end of quote

Maybe Märklin have the chimney on the mock-up wrong - although as you put it, perspective and camera angles do play a part in our perceptions.
Stephen says the British Railways crest/insignia on the tender appears too large.
Other comments on the LNER group ask why the rivets or bolt-heads show along the top of the boiler when this is usually plain curve of sheet metal?
The problem is we don't know what Märklin knows, they have probably had measurement and CAD input from live sources at the York Museum.

Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
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Offline bph  
#123 Posted : 13 March 2023 15:11:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
I notice model have chimny too high and BR Chest too large on tender.

I will email to marklin to sort out and correct it.


perhaps Märklin mixed up some chimney measurements.....? The flying Scotsman was originally built to fit the GNR loading gauge, but when it received a new boiler in 1928 it was converted to the slightly smaller LNER loading gauge. The height of the chimney, dome and some other things was reduced. Were there different dimensions on the double chimney also? or is it down to the perspective and camera angles of the photos?


You are correct bph.
Flying Scotsman as an A1 then an A3 (originally #1472, then #4472, then #103, then #60103) has had as many boiler and detail changes as number changes.

In fact I can quote from a member of an LNER group as follows:
"Flying Scotsman and the then A3 classes started having Double Chimneys fitted from 1958 and some with A4 Boilers about the same time/period.
See https://www.lner.info/locos/A/a1a3a10.php " end of quote

Maybe Märklin have the chimney on the mock-up wrong - although as you put it, perspective and camera angles do play a part in our perceptions.
Stephen says the British Railways crest/insignia on the tender appears too large.
Other comments on the LNER group ask why the rivets or bolt-heads show along the top of the boiler when this is usually plain curve of sheet metal?
The problem is we don't know what Märklin knows, they have probably had measurement and CAD input from live sources at the York Museum.

Kimball


Hi
I have a nice book about the flying Scotsman, even if it's small it's quite good. (got it several years ago) https://www.amazon.com/Flying-Scotsman-Story/dp/075249452X/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1678707791&sr=8-1

The book list that the flying Scotsman is currently on the 19th boiler. and that it also had the number #502 for two weeks before it got the #103 number. It was also classed as A10 from 1975 to 1947. The double chimney has also been on and off a couple of times.......

The bolt-heads on the top of the boiler seem to be prototypical, but it seems that Marklin has made them too big. Hopefully, if there actually are minor scale issues they are corrected on the final production model.
FS_boiler_s.jpg
FS_res.jpg

and an interesting triple-header video showing Flying Scotsman and the R 707 and R 761 broad gauge locomotives. It was part of an April Fool's day joke in 1989, to give the impression that the Flying Scotsman had been converted to Australian broad gauge. Flying Scotsman did also haul the broad gauge train alone. Read more in the video description.
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#124 Posted : 14 March 2023 11:11:33(UTC)
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Thanks bph for that information.
Steam locomotives are quite a complex bit of kit, with major overhauls from 5 to 10 years apart.
And sometimes they fit new boilers, axles and wheel tyres, re-sleeve cylinders and recondition moving parts and valves, and inlet and exhaust passages.
I don't know if that includes new fire-boxes.

When I started work in the bush in Queensland my boss told me to be careful of the old axe because it had belonged to his grandfather.
One of the older employees spoke up shamelessly and said "Yes but the axe has had 2 new heads and 8 new handles since your grandfather owned it."
So it is not really your grandads' axe at all .... he he".

Steam locomotives are a bit like that.

Kimball
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#125 Posted : 14 March 2023 15:32:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post

I don't know if that includes new fire-boxes.


because of the way the firebox is essentially an integral part of the boiler I think you will find that a boiler replacement includes the firebox.

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Offline steventrain  
#126 Posted : 16 March 2023 21:15:23(UTC)
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Marklin database show all sold out.

Very high demands collector item right now.
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Offline vilithejou  
#127 Posted : 17 March 2023 05:15:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Marklin database show all sold out.

Very high demands collector item right now.


Yes.. but only in 3Rail ... 2Rail version still available

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Offline AntoinePrt  
#128 Posted : 19 March 2023 05:57:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vilithejou Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Marklin database show all sold out.

Very high demands collector item right now.


Yes.. but only in 3Rail ... 2Rail version still available



That’s why Steven said Marklin database and not Trix …
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