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mike c		#1 Posted : 10 November 2022 07:00:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,021 Location: Montreal, QC		Here is the first video of the final prototype of the RABe 501 Giruno. The production model should be in stores very soon. The Maerklin model (base set) should be available in around a month's time. Regards Mike C Edited by user 11 November 2022 02:09:29(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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mario54i		#2 Posted : 10 November 2022 12:32:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 290 Location: Torino,		I saw it live in Friedrichshafen (where this video was taken), it runs smooth and silent. The Märklin one was displayed in a showcase, only one half. BTW, no Märklin Ae3/6 displayed
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marklinist5999		#3 Posted : 10 November 2022 13:50:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,402 Location: Michigan, Troy		Both versions are excellent imho! I think only subtle differences. The Piko only comes as an 11 unit train, and the msrp is nearly 1,700 euros. Too long for my layout I think. I reserved the Marklin last January, but I expect it to be late, as model releases have been lately. That's fine, as I had abdominal surgery in September, and the insurance co pay cost us almost $5,00 U.S. Perhaps I may order one supplimental car set later. Someone told me the intital release is only for Switzeraldn for the Piko?? I viwed an Instagram story from Carerra modelismo in Chaisso, and they have it.
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mike c		#4 Posted : 11 November 2022 02:04:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,021 Location: Montreal, QC		I preordered the Piko (Arwico) model when it was announced. The price at the time was 1490 CHF for the AC version. I have the Maerklin model on order as well. I ordered the base set plus the three additional sets. Total cost of the Maerklin version w/o VAT was just over 1000 EUR. Regards Mike C
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marklinist5999		#5 Posted : 11 November 2022 13:42:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,402 Location: Michigan, Troy		My early intro reservation price is 719 euros for the Marklin 5 unit train 39810. Thats $740 U.S. The lowest price I found stateside was $818. Even if shipping rates have doubled, still a good value.
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marklinist5999		#6 Posted : 11 November 2022 18:35:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,402 Location: Michigan, Troy		Originally Posted by: mike c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_pA2nhN7l8 Here is the first video of the final prototype of the RABe 501 Giruno. The production model should be in stores very soon. The Maerklin model (base set) should be available in around a month's time. Regards Mike C P.S., Lippe shop told me January for the Marklin. regards, Mike.
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mike c		#7 Posted : 12 November 2022 18:20:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,021 Location: Montreal, QC		I found some photos of the Maerklin model: https://static.maerklin....c97400afaa1665036010.jpg https://static.maerklin....c61bd6be5e1665036007.jpg https://static.maerklin....0ee6f191cc1664366405.jpg https://static.maerklin....82f2c2db4f1664366405.jpg Regards Mike C
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mbarreto		#8 Posted : 15 November 2022 11:57:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,274		Another video of the Piko:
		Best regards, Miguel Mostly Märklin H0.
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marklinist5999		#9 Posted : 15 November 2022 12:57:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,402 Location: Michigan, Troy		Judging by pics by Marklin, it too looks to have lighted seating/destination signs on the doors. I don't know about the opening nose for multi-unit couplings. I wonder what the red marker light behing the lower windshield is for?
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mike c		#10 Posted : 16 November 2022 05:51:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,021 Location: Montreal, QC		new videos (Presentation and Unboxing) from Arwico (Piko) Regards Mike C
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mbarreto		#11 Posted : 22 November 2022 22:35:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,274		Hello, I found in Youtube a video with a preproduction unit of the Märklin Giruno: It seems to run smooth, but I don't know if it is running at top speed. I would like to see it at higher speed. Regards, Miguel
		Best regards, Miguel Mostly Märklin H0.
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marklinist5999		#12 Posted : 23 November 2022 14:26:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,402 Location: Michigan, Troy		As my steepest grade is more than 3%, I will see how it handles it with a 5 unit consist before ordering a supplimental car set. My ICE 3 slows by 2/3 speed on it with a 5 unit train. It is supposed to pull/push an 8 unit.
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river6109		#13 Posted : 24 November 2022 00:34:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,782 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Hornby OO bought out the Flying Scotsman with 6 different versions with the following road numbers 1472, (4472 = 2 tender), 4472, (4472 =Alan Pegler), 103, 60103 at £ 362.99, there is one with a second tender for £ 379.99, if you buy all 6 versions it will set you back to a total of £ 2194.94 and if you want them shipped to Australia most probably another £ 100.00 on postage., it wouldn't be asking too much for a Christmas present, would it be ?
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mike c		#14 Posted : 24 November 2022 05:47:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,021 Location: Montreal, QC		John, what does a Flying Scotsman have to do with this topic? Regards Mike C
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mbarreto		#15 Posted : 24 November 2022 11:22:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,274		Mike, I am curious in know which Giruno (Piko or Märklin) will have a more powerfull motor so it will have better results in terms of higher speed and more capable of hold speed when climbing a decent gradient. Of course, gear ratio and weight will also have their own effect in the outcome. If when you have both you can do a comparison, it would be very good! I am almost convinced to order the Märklin as it is cheaper if I don't want the full train, it has controllable pantographs, I don't have to order it from a Swiss dealer and I like Märklin :-) Regards, Miguel
		Best regards, Miguel Mostly Märklin H0.
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kiwiAlan		#16 Posted : 24 November 2022 13:47:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,224 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Looking at the unpacking video for the Piko one it looks like they were going to do it as a 5 piece plus addon sets, then decided to package it all together. I wonder if later versions will be done as split sets as Marklin are doing.
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marklinist5999		#17 Posted : 24 November 2022 16:04:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,402 Location: Michigan, Troy		Originally Posted by: mbarreto Mike, I am curious in know which Giruno (Piko or Märklin) will have a more powerfull motor so it will have better results in terms of higher speed and more capable of hold speed when climbing a decent gradient. Of course, gear ratio and weight will also have their own effect in the outcome. If when you have both you can do a comparison, it would be very good! I am almost convinced to order the Märklin as it is cheaper if I don't want the full train, it has controllable pantographs, I don't have to order it from a Swiss dealer and I like Märklin :-) Regards, Miguel An expensive test to buy both, but I bet they are so similar in performance because both have can motors, and cardan shaft drive. I'm sure that both Piko and Marklin engineered the gearing to scale. I think the Piko ho ICE 4 has two motors, but in my experience with models like the original Marklin ICE which had two Faulhaber motors, and running both my br 610 and 612 railcars in a tandem consist, there is little difference in pulling ability. Two motors drawing amperage together lowers available power, speed, and torque. They may be able to pull more weight, but not as fast. The amperage needle rises by half way more to voltage my analog transformer. More amperage draw, lower voltage output.
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mbarreto		#18 Posted : 24 November 2022 19:43:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,274		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 ... I think the Piko ho ICE 4 has two motors, but in my experience with models like the original Marklin ICE which had two Faulhaber motors, and running both my br 610 and 612 railcars in a tandem consist, there is little difference in pulling ability. Two motors drawing amperage together lowers available power, speed, and torque. They may be able to pull more weight, but not as fast. The amperage needle rises by half way more to voltage my analog transformer. More amperage draw, lower voltage output. ... With 2 motors there will also be more power available for avoid speed reduction when going up. Load regulation also helps keep the speed constant independent of gradient, but only if the motor is powerful enough. Regards, Miguel
		Best regards, Miguel Mostly Märklin H0.
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mike c		#19 Posted : 25 November 2022 01:37:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,021 Location: Montreal, QC		Originally Posted by: mbarreto Mike, I am curious in know which Giruno (Piko or Märklin) will have a more powerfull motor so it will have better results in terms of higher speed and more capable of hold speed when climbing a decent gradient. Of course, gear ratio and weight will also have their own effect in the outcome. If when you have both you can do a comparison, it would be very good! I am almost convinced to order the Märklin as it is cheaper if I don't want the full train, it has controllable pantographs, I don't have to order it from a Swiss dealer and I like Märklin :-) Regards, Miguel I have ordered both. The Piko should be released any day now and the Maerklin base set is still listed for December. I will post a comparison review once both models are in my hands. Regards Mike C
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mike c		#20 Posted : 25 November 2022 01:45:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,021 Location: Montreal, QC		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Looking at the unpacking video for the Piko one it looks like they were going to do it as a 5 piece plus addon sets, then decided to package it all together. I wonder if later versions will be done as split sets as Marklin are doing. The Arwico/Piko "Ceneri" edition is sold as an 11 piece set. The main version will be available later (2023/24) and will be a more basic version, without built-in lighting and may come in form of a base set and one or two add-on sets. The Unboxing video shows the box containing the main part with both pilot coaches, the restaurant and two additional coaches. The train cannot prototypically be assembled with just the coaches in the main part. The Maerklin set includes the two pilot coaches plus the restaurant and adjacent coaches. The Maerklin add-on set include the coaches that go between the core and each of the pilot coaches. Regards Mike C
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mike c		#21 Posted : 07 December 2022 02:55:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,021 Location: Montreal, QC		Zuba Tech demonstration video of Piko's Giruno: Regards Mike C
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Rajnish		#22 Posted : 08 December 2022 20:31:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/12/2003(UTC) Posts: 77 Location: Singapore, Singapore		There is a discussion on the Swiss Model Railways Facebook group for ARWICO / PIKO Giruno that PIKO is supplying the loco bodies to Marklin for their Giruno. If this information is correct then it appears to be an interesting collaboration between the two companies.
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mike c		#23 Posted : 09 December 2022 01:14:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,021 Location: Montreal, QC		Given the differences in photos of the models from the two manufacturers, I am going to say that this is likely full of crap. Compare the photos in Post 7 with any photos of the Piko model to know. 1) The Maerklin model does not have a removable nose and NEM socket for coupling a second trainset 2) The Piko model does not have digitally controlled pantographs 3) Since Maerklin is putting out a DC version under Trix and Piko has an AC model, this is not likely to be a joint venture Maerklin: https://static.maerklin....c61bd6be5e1665036007.jpg Piko: https://www.bahnonline.c...ri-2020_Arwico_11-22.jpg https://modellbahn-schwe...ads/2022/12/Giruno-4.jpg Best regards Mike C
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river6109		#24 Posted : 09 December 2022 02:03:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,782 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: mike c John, what does a Flying Scotsman have to do with this topic? Regards Mike C It suppose to be a new post
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Rajnish		#25 Posted : 09 December 2022 08:20:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/12/2003(UTC) Posts: 77 Location: Singapore, Singapore		Mike Each of the companies are still using their unique electronics and electro mechanical systems. Building the moulds for a new multi-unit train is expensive and time consuming. J am still not ruling it out that there is collaboration between the two companies. We will know in due course once we have both the models in hand to do a side by side comparison.
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mike c		#26 Posted : 09 December 2022 17:27:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,021 Location: Montreal, QC		Originally Posted by: Rajnish Mike Each of the companies are still using their unique electronics and electro mechanical systems. Building the moulds for a new multi-unit train is expensive and time consuming. J am still not ruling it out that there is collaboration between the two companies. We will know in due course once we have both the models in hand to do a side by side comparison. Rajnish, Note the end of the chassis: Piko: https://www.suter-meggen...ailbilder/05.97230.9.JPG Maerklin: https://static.maerklin....5e764758341664366409.jpg I rest my case Regards Mike C
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marklinist5999		#27 Posted : 13 December 2022 16:32:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,402 Location: Michigan, Troy		Marklin has changed the delivery date of it's 39810 Giruno from December to January.
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kiwiAlan		#28 Posted : 13 December 2022 20:20:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,224 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Marklin has changed the delivery date of it's 39810 Giruno from December to January. That is not surprising, they haven't yet delivered the 39771 Insider 2 loco that was due in November, although the first wagon sets for it which were also due in November have started to appear in the last week.
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vilithejou		#29 Posted : 13 December 2022 21:07:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 841 Location: Vic, Barcelona		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Marklin has changed the delivery date of it's 39810 Giruno from December to January. That is not surprising, they haven't yet delivered the 39771 Insider 2 loco that was due in November, although the first wagon sets for it which were also due in November have started to appear in the last week. I have the second lok and their pair freight car
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kiwiAlan		#30 Posted : 13 December 2022 21:17:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,224 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: vilithejou Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan That is not surprising, they haven't yet delivered the 39771 Insider 2 loco that was due in November, although the first wagon sets for it which were also due in November have started to appear in the last week. I have the second lok and their pair freight car ooh, lucky you , you must have only just unpacked the loco. Of several shops that show it on their catalogue, all show it as not yet delivered, although they show the wagonset as delivered. The other item I am awaiting is the 46415 regional MHI wagon, but that doesn't seem to be delivered yet either.
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mike c		#31 Posted : 25 December 2022 00:16:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,021 Location: Montreal, QC		A quick video on my improvised teppichbahn I have to see if I can reduce the slider noise. Regards Mike C
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mbarreto		#32 Posted : 03 February 2023 17:45:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,274		The real thing simplified datasheet (text in german): Stadler simplified Giruno datasheet
		Best regards, Miguel Mostly Märklin H0.
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