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Offline bph  
#1 Posted : 03 August 2022 18:00:31(UTC)
bph

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Some videos have appeared on the new Br 06 39662 Cool



I also note that some have reported issues with its running behaviour.
eg this thread:https://www.stummiforum.de/t205824f2-Probleme-mit-der-neuen-BR-bekannt.html
Has someone on this forum received theirs, and given it a test? any issues?



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Offline franciscohg  
#2 Posted : 03 August 2022 19:37:17(UTC)
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Well, i was a little worried about those reports.
I have just sent an email to my dealer and he replies that half of the locos received had the problem, so they are all on the way back to Goeppingen now and shipping processing has been delayed.
Patiente is a virtue!!!BigGrin
Best regards
Francisco
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Offline steventrain  
#3 Posted : 03 August 2022 20:27:25(UTC)
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The 39662 request for min radius curved is 437mm.

See manual page 10 wrote 'The minimum usable radius is 437,5 mm / 17,22”.'.

The video show loco slipping is on curved turnouts 24671/2 both was radius 360mm.
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Offline franciscohg  
#4 Posted : 03 August 2022 21:49:30(UTC)
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Well, it seems that there is some discrepancy about advertised/published minimum radius. Also as per marklin Mail to dealers the problem exists and they are aware of it.
My model was on hold waiting to be shipped with the cars and when asked, my dealer answered very quickly.

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Offline rbonet  
#5 Posted : 03 August 2022 21:56:48(UTC)
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Hi,
24671/2 turnouts are R2. They correspond exactly to a 24224 curved track, i.e., R2=437,5mm 24,3º.
It is a pity if the 39662 is not able to negotiate these turnouts.
Regards,
Rafael

Collecting Era I, II & III, mainly German, French & Spanish RR, some USA
Offline JohnjeanB  
#6 Posted : 03 August 2022 21:59:46(UTC)
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Hi BHP
Thanks for the videos.
Beautiful loco, as usual you may expect it to accept R1 (although Märklin says R2). I can see the first bogie axle "taking off" sometimes and being frozen
I trust Märklin to cover this point. The 2 other large Märklin locos I have 39241 (SNCF A65) 39243 (EST)n are riding on R1 much better that many other large Märklin locos (BR 45)
I am a bit disappointed by the pulsed steam (when compared with REE locos) and also by the sound.
The conceptor says a large LP and a "ResonnazKörper" was added but still the sound is not up to the model.
Just my opinion.
I have ordered one. We will see
Cheers
Jean
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Offline DV  
#7 Posted : 04 August 2022 05:32:05(UTC)
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From Mother Mä

We have received isolated reports from trading partners that some of the machines delivered have abnormal driving behavior in the border areas. Affected locomotives may stutter when cornering slowly.

If machines that you have received are affected by this behavior, the malfunction can already be observed on the first trip. In this case, please send the locomotives back to us. We will ensure that your locomotives are fully functional as soon as possible.



I would say that this is a loose translation from German.
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Offline river6109  
#8 Posted : 04 August 2022 06:13:55(UTC)
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It would be a serious blow if you ordered it from Australia or NZ, adding a lot of postage dollars to the loco price unless your dealer has received an update from Märklin that the loco is not fit for sale

John
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Offline Chipopo  
#9 Posted : 04 August 2022 08:16:30(UTC)
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mine arrived yesterday, so not tested yet . . .


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Offline marklinist5999  
#10 Posted : 04 August 2022 14:05:11(UTC)
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My oh my! Does Marklin not have someone to test production models before release or shipments, at least every so often during the production run?
Offline bph  
#11 Posted : 04 August 2022 15:51:04(UTC)
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it seems that Märklin has put the shipments on hold until they have investigated and hopefully solved this. (info from a dealer)
So will have to wait a bit, but that is better than having to return it.
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Online dickinsonj  
#12 Posted : 05 August 2022 01:05:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
it seems that Märklin has put the shipments on hold until they have investigated and hopefully solved this. (info from a dealer)
So will have to wait a bit, but that is better than having to return it.


Good to know. Now I am glad that I don't have mine yet!

Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
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Offline foumaro  
#13 Posted : 05 August 2022 10:15:13(UTC)
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I am much more glad i did not order this loco.BigGrin
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Offline steventrain  
#14 Posted : 05 August 2022 11:04:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
I am much more glad i did not order this loco.BigGrin


Me too, I haven't order any from Germany because of Brexit.

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Offline jcrtrains  
#15 Posted : 05 August 2022 15:18:04(UTC)
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For those who can't wait or want a slightly less expensive, proven model, I personally have always found the Brawa BR 06 to be excellent. I have had mine for close to twenty years. I suspect there is very little aesthetic difference given the streamlined body.



Brawa BR 06 Ebay

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Offline Goofy  
#16 Posted : 05 August 2022 22:49:57(UTC)
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The locomotive are big and it seems that under frame with 4 axles are not fit for the narrow curves.
Märklin recommended minimum R2 for the curves and turnouts.
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Offline David Dewar  
#17 Posted : 05 August 2022 23:44:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
I am much more glad i did not order this loco.BigGrin


Me too, I haven't order any from Germany because of Brexit.



STEPHEN If you want this Loco why not buy from Germany. Dealer will deduct VAT and it is not a problem sending it to your country. Buying in the UK would cost considerably more. Would wait though to ensure the problem has been fixed.

Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Online dickinsonj  
#18 Posted : 06 August 2022 01:39:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post

I am a bit disappointed by the pulsed steam (when compared with REE locos) and also by the sound.

In the first video the steam effect was diminished by the light backgrounds IMO. I thought that it look very nice in the second video. The third was obviously a hit job - causing it to fail and then documenting it.

Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post
The conceptor says a large LP and a "ResonnazKörper" was added but still the sound is not up to the model.

I agree that the lcoc sounds on the videos were not impressive. But then that could easily be a function of the quality of the recording source. If it was done on a phone it is probably not realistic, at least in my experience.

I am willing to sacrifice by getting one and hearing for myself. BigGrin

I will report! ThumpUp
Regards,
Jim

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I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
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Offline clapcott  
#19 Posted : 06 August 2022 02:55:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rbonet Go to Quoted Post
24671/2 turnouts are R2. They correspond exactly to a 24224 curved track, i.e., R2=437,5mm 24,3º.

I do not believe this is correct.

Refer pg7 & 8
https://static.maerklin....b114c038d61569316941.pdf


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Offline rbonet  
#20 Posted : 06 August 2022 08:43:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: rbonet Go to Quoted Post
24671/2 turnouts are R2. They correspond exactly to a 24224 curved track, i.e., R2=437,5mm 24,3º.

I do not believe this is correct.

Refer pg7 & 8
https://static.maerklin....b114c038d61569316941.pdf




You are right, I was thinking on the 24611/2. My mistake.

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Offline bph  
#21 Posted : 06 August 2022 12:26:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
The 39662 request for min radius curved is 437mm.

See manual page 10 wrote 'The minimum usable radius is 437,5 mm / 17,22”.'.

The video show loco slipping is on curved turnouts 24671/2 both was radius 360mm.

Hi
Marklin writes this on the 39662 web product page: (the text can also be found in the Märklin New Items Catalog 2022 and in the insider magazine)
The locomotive can be run without limitation on the 437.5 mm / 17-1/4" radius (Radius 2) if attention is paid to the clearance gauge. The locomotive can also be run on the 360 mm / 14-3/16" radius (Radius 1) if the clearance gauge is ignored.
However, this text is not present on the german page......
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Offline Drongo  
#22 Posted : 20 August 2022 08:25:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
My oh my! Does Marklin not have someone to test production models before release or shipments, at least every so often during the production run?


They probably do - in Australia when someone doesn't do their job correctly, we call them "Bludgers". Look it up in Google.
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Offline DV  
#23 Posted : 20 August 2022 08:48:44(UTC)
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An update from Mother Mä

The anomalies result from the unfavorable addition of tolerances for various operating parameters, in which these unwanted effects could occur in the case of minimal deviations. Corrections were therefore done by us during production so that these anomalies are resolved. Due to the extreme length of the locomotive coupled with its wheel arrangement, there is however, a clarification phase for running behavior on curves.

In general, operation on Radius R1 is not out of the question for us. This is however possible only with an appropriate adjustment in speed. Unfavorable track configurations coupled with less than optimal installation of the trackage can lead to limited operating behavior. Anyone wanting to be on the safe side should avoid this radius with this model if possible.

We regret that there has been a delay in the delivery of this model due to this anomaly and ask that you excuse the inconveniences. Further deliveries will resume shortly.

Dusan V
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Offline Drongo  
#24 Posted : 21 August 2022 01:30:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DV Go to Quoted Post
An update from Mother Mä

The anomalies result from the unfavorable addition of tolerances for various operating parameters, in which these unwanted effects could occur in the case of minimal deviations. Corrections were therefore done by us during production so that these anomalies are resolved. Due to the extreme length of the locomotive coupled with its wheel arrangement, there is however, a clarification phase for running behavior on curves.

In general, operation on Radius R1 is not out of the question for us. This is however possible only with an appropriate adjustment in speed. Unfavorable track configurations coupled with less than optimal installation of the trackage can lead to limited operating behavior. Anyone wanting to be on the safe side should avoid this radius with this model if possible.

We regret that there has been a delay in the delivery of this model due to this anomaly and ask that you excuse the inconveniences. Further deliveries will resume shortly.



All this should have been sorted out during the testing phase. In plain English - the testing department are NOT doing a good job and Marklin senior management need to investigate.
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Offline 60904  
#25 Posted : 23 August 2022 22:44:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rbonet Go to Quoted Post
Hi,
24671/2 turnouts are R2. They correspond exactly to a 24224 curved track, i.e., R2=437,5mm 24,3º.
It is a pity if the 39662 is not able to negotiate these turnouts.
Regards,
Rafael


Sorry, but you are wrong, 24671/2 are Radius 1! Just like 24130.
Greetings
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Offline rbonet  
#26 Posted : 24 August 2022 16:19:31(UTC)
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I agreed some days ago. My mistake was with the references. 24611/2 are R2.
Rafael
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#27 Posted : 24 August 2022 18:39:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Drongo Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
My oh my! Does Marklin not have someone to test production models before release or shipments, at least every so often during the production run?


They probably do - in Australia when someone doesn't do their job correctly, we call them "Bludgers". Look it up in Google.




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Offline 60904  
#28 Posted : 06 September 2022 13:00:38(UTC)
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Is there anybody around from the States who might post a picture of a loco sold in the USA? I'd like to know about a sticker "Made in...."
Greetings
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Offline H0  
#29 Posted : 06 September 2022 13:57:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
The video show loco slipping is on curved turnouts 24671/2 both was radius 360mm.
According to the manual, two parts must be unscrewed from the loco for operation on R1 curves. And distance between loco and tender must be "long".
I cannot see on the video if those parts have been removed.

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Offline 60904  
#30 Posted : 06 September 2022 15:28:36(UTC)
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For me it looks like they have been taken away.
Greetings
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Offline mbarreto  
#31 Posted : 06 September 2022 16:56:24(UTC)
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I received my 39662 yesterday and I am very positively impressed but didn't test yet on curves. Just straights.
In the manual is mentioned to not run very slow or very fast in turnouts, but I think it is only for M track.

The Brawa BR 06s also have parts that need to be removed for the use in short radius curves.
Mostly Märklin H0.


Offline 1borna  
#32 Posted : 06 September 2022 21:21:38(UTC)
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Even the real Br 06 had problems at the switchbacks, it often jumped out. In addition, due to the large length and weight of the boiler, it was prone to cracking!
Wiki says:
The two Class 06 locomotives built by the firm of Krupp in 1939 were the largest, heaviest and most powerful locomotives in the Deutsche Reichsbahn. They were built for heavy express train duties in hilly terrain. The performance requirement was for the transportation of 650 tons at 120 km/h. On ramps of 1:100 it was to still be capable of maintaining 60 km/h.

The Class 06 was given the same boiler as the Class 45 and many of the same components as the Class 41. The running gear, with four coupled axles, had a wheelbase of 6,75 m.

In trials, the vehicles confirmed their remarkable capability and running qualities. However the locomotives tended to derail in tight turnout curves. And, like the Class 45s, the boilers developed cracks, leaky tubes and popped stay bolts, so that the locomotives were unconvincing when hauling measurement vehicles or scheduled trains.

As a result of the war no more were produced. After the Second World War there was no longer a requirement for a locomotive of this size, so that neither the necessary structural modification of the engines was carried out, nor did any follow-on orders result. Both engines were seen as having a faulty design and were retired by the Deutsche Bundesbahn in 1951 in Frankfurt am Main and scrapped, because the DB refused to replace their boilers.
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Online dickinsonj  
#33 Posted : 07 September 2022 00:58:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 60904 Go to Quoted Post
Is there anybody around from the States who might post a picture of a loco sold in the USA? I'd like to know about a sticker "Made in...."


I will post a picture showing where it was made when I get mine, if someone doesn't beat me to it.

My dealer still shows this as not yet available however and deliveries in the States seems even slower than normal these days..

Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline mbarreto  
#34 Posted : 07 September 2022 15:17:56(UTC)
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The coupler is the new close coupler and until now it is working very well.
Mostly Märklin H0.


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Offline bph  
#35 Posted : 07 September 2022 15:56:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto Go to Quoted Post

The coupler is the new close coupler and until now it is working very well.


Thanks for the information, I wondered when Märklin would start to deliver new locomotives with the new close coupler.

I'm waiting for mine, and according to my dealer it might take a while.... but I'm in no rush, and it's better to get a working one instead of having to return it.
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Offline owidgie  
#36 Posted : 07 September 2022 23:39:57(UTC)
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My dealer still shows this as not yet available however and deliveries in the States seems even slower than normal these days..



I was told that when Marklin USA heard there was a problem with them they talked to the factory and were able to stop the shipment to have the problem corrected so that none in North America would have the problem - Unless the customer purchased one from Europe. This is most likely the reason for the delay.

Rick

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#37 Posted : 08 September 2022 00:09:09(UTC)
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My dealer told me they were noticed from Märklin and the issue was found only on the first S/Ns. Mine was not in those early S/Ns
and he tested it with good results, I was told.
I will test mine in R2 curves and turnouts tomorrow or after.

Miguel


Mostly Märklin H0.


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#38 Posted : 08 September 2022 01:26:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: owidgie Go to Quoted Post

I was told that when Marklin USA heard there was a problem with them they talked to the factory and were able to stop the shipment to have the problem corrected so that none in North America would have the problem
Rick

Thanks for the info Rick. That is good to know and I am in no hurry at all.

I actually like the fact that the US is usually late to get stuff, because we sometimes avoid problems that the early deliveries uncover. Remember the long 103 Insider locos? Beautiful models but some early ones had terrible window fit and new windows were mailed to them from the factory. Because mine came near the end of the production run it was, and still is perfect. Cool
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline owidgie  
#39 Posted : 09 September 2022 00:17:34(UTC)
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And don't forget the Switching Kroc with the hood panel that was backwards! BigGrin

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Offline bph  
#40 Posted : 20 October 2022 23:52:36(UTC)
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Have received mine and have tested it a little. And here are some thoughts etc:

Some observations:
Quite heavy.
of the 4 driving wheels, the two middle also flexes up and down.
The motor seems to be a standard one. Visually similar to others. And also marked 324467 + HH0222 (gearbox might be slightly different)
the gearbox is lubricated with a white grease, definitively not 66626 (same with other newer locomotives)
did not observe any issues with 360mm metal track or metal turnouts.
Marklin managed to set the volume “lausterke grundrauchen” to a sensible value, 120.
Slow driving improved after a decoder calibration. And I could tune down the minimum speed to 3.
Note: Reverse requires a little more throttle on the CS3, because of how it is set up from the factory.
this can be "solved" by adjusting the "Correction Factor Rev." from 80 to 128(same as forward) (cv95). (personally, I prefer forward and reverse setting to be equal)

Pros:
drives nicely on a wide radius K track (when it’s even).
not too complicated to open, but be aware of the connected wires
improved dynamic smoke chamber design. It is now possible to mostly empty the chamber with a syringe etc.
fairly good sound project.

Cons:
needs a very even track, and spins easily on M track.
Does not like old M curved turnouts (5140) and 5100 curved R1 track, or K track 2221 .
I find it unusable on R1 radius.
and I notice as I write this that Märklin still has this sentence on the English product page:
“The locomotive can also be run on the 360 mm / 14-3/16" radius (Radius 1) if the clearance gauge is ignored.”

Some pictures for those who like that.
The motor and decoder
https://hovland.net/bilder/mj/R5_B2093.jpg

The decoder board with the circuits for the dynamic smoke generator:
https://hovland.net/bilder/mj/R5_B2102.jpg

The dynamic smoke generator:
https://hovland.net/bilder/mj/R5_B2090.jpg

Edited by user 21 October 2022 19:55:37(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline JohnjeanB  
#41 Posted : 21 October 2022 00:24:35(UTC)
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Hi
Thanks BHP for this information.
I am still waiting for mine (from Härtle in Germany). The vendor says Märklin is late because they are correcting issues on R1 especially when in reverse.
I think I remember having read that this loco was not recommended for M track (Maybe the user's manual).
Just my comment: early (1970 and before) M track was very unprecise and much better later (1980 till 1999)
Regarding R1 on C track, once the ashtray is removed, the tender is set with the maximum distance and the streamline covers near the pistons are removed, then the loco should run OK.
After all 2 same size locos 39241 and 39243 that I have run very well also on R1 switches and tracks.
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#42 Posted : 21 October 2022 00:37:56(UTC)
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I received mine a week ago. I felt it not that heavy IMHO, removed the ashtrays and i must say that i am very happy with it, running flawlessly with 5 wagons and R1 and R2 Mtrack with 5% grades. Indeed she does not like curved turnouts very much, but that is almost a standard with newer and other brands locomotives, so one pair is already gone and the other will be out at the same moment that i receive a couple of 5200 ones.
Overall very, very happy with the loco and its performance.
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#43 Posted : 21 October 2022 01:04:55(UTC)
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Thanks for the review and pictures bph. ThumpUp

Your observation is interesting about the gearbox grease appearing to not be the normally recommended 66626. Is that still what is called out in the manual? I killed the motor in my S 2/6 (37015) applying excess grease to the gearbox. With this gearbox being adjacent to the motor that might be a cause for concern. I no longer pack the gearboxes as full as yours came from the factory and I wonder if the different lubricant is related to that problem.

Cheers
Regards,
Jim

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#44 Posted : 21 October 2022 01:41:35(UTC)
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Hi Jim
Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Go to Quoted Post
With this gearbox being adjacent to the motor that might be a cause for concern.


I have my doubts about the gearbox killing the motor (can types) unless the grease is hard. Indeed Märklin seems to be using a different grease during manufacturing (looking like lithium grease) from the recommended Trix 66626 much more yellow).

My experience is what kills motors is when the minimum speed is set too low. Märklin sets it to 5 ALWAYS to avoid problems. Not very attractive but it reduces risks for Märklin. I use to reduce it to 1 (if the motor starts every time) but now I rather use 2, 3 or 4 depending the case.

Indeed it is much nicer to see a very smooth low-speed start BUT the risk is, when you run many locos simultaneously often in hidden places (fiddle yard) you may not realise one loco is stalling at slow speed. Rapidly it burns the motor. I have observed burnt Märklin motors running very smoothly but with a very impedance (10 Ohms instead of the 40 - 50 Ohms) the excess load burns the decoder). If you wait some more then the motor is in short circuit unless the decoder gives up first.
Just what I have observed on my locos

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#45 Posted : 21 October 2022 01:56:19(UTC)
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Thanks for the input Jean.

I never changed the minimum speed from whatever Märklin set at the factory and it definitely never stalled or was subjected to an overload. The motor problems started with some squeaking sounds on occasion but it still ran fine. Eventually it would not run at all and I replaced the motor.

Several people here on the forum suggested that grease migrating into the motor from overfilled gearboxes was a known cause for Märklin can motor failures, and that made sense to me.

I just saw the old motor in my parts bin yesterday and realized that I never opened it to try to determine why it failed. Before I removed the motor I ran it while holding it in my hand and it had a very strong shake which I thought might be a damaged bearing. One of these days I will open it up and see if I can determine what happened.

These are not high quality motors or expensive and I don't really know what killed it. But the grease intrusion makes sense because of the proximity of the gearbox. Luckily this is the only Märklin can motor failure I have had and it was cheap and easy to replace.
Regards,
Jim

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I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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#46 Posted : 21 October 2022 11:40:06(UTC)
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Thanks for the review and pictures bph. ThumpUp

Your observation is interesting about the gearbox grease appearing to not be the normally recommended 66626. Is that still what is called out in the manual? I killed the motor in my S 2/6 (37015) applying excess grease to the gearbox. With this gearbox being adjacent to the motor that might be a cause for concern. I no longer pack the gearboxes as full as yours came from the factory and I wonder if the different lubricant is related to that problem.

Cheers


The manual recommends 66626, (repackaged Shell Gadus S2 V220 2)

But I have been thinking that maybe using white grease that is non-conducting might be a better option to use on those gearboxes. but I would like to know what stuff Marklin uses, and if it has the right properties I would get some of that.

On the 39662 gearboxes I pushed the grease down and it was only "blocked" at the top, it was not overfilled.

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#47 Posted : 21 October 2022 13:00:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post
Hi
Thanks BHP for this information.
I am still waiting for mine (from Härtle in Germany). The vendor says Märklin is late because they are correcting issues on R1 especially when in reverse.
I think I remember having read that this loco was not recommended for M track (Maybe the user's manual).
Just my comment: early (1970 and before) M track was very unprecise and much better later (1980 till 1999)
Regarding R1 on C track, once the ashtray is removed, the tender is set with the maximum distance and the streamline covers near the pistons are removed, then the loco should run OK.
After all 2 same size locos 39241 and 39243 that I have run very well also on R1 switches and tracks.
Cheers
Jean


Thanks, Jean, I had forgotten about the ashtray. and Märklin did not include the notice with my locomotive. But still even with the ashtray removed, it still often derails in the curved turnouts and runs poorly on R1.
I notice that the inside of the front wheels lifts up for some reason, probably because they hit the steam cylinder.
(photo taken on a curved turnout, and ashtrays removed)
https://hovland.net/bilder/mj/R5_B2113.jpg
I have inspected the front wheels and even tried to tension the spring slightly, but no improvements.

I have also tested on some R1 K-track, and the behaviour is similar.

My M track stuff is 1980 and later, and my 39241 runs without any issues on the same track :)

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#48 Posted : 21 October 2022 13:20:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
Hello
I received mine a week ago. I felt it not that heavy IMHO, removed the ashtrays and i must say that i am very happy with it, running flawlessly with 5 wagons and R1 and R2 Mtrack with 5% grades. Indeed she does not like curved turnouts very much, but that is almost a standard with newer and other brands locomotives, so one pair is already gone and the other will be out at the same moment that i receive a couple of 5200 ones.
Overall very, very happy with the loco and its performance.
Regards


Hi. good yours is working fine, have you noticed if your front wheels lift up on the inside?
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#49 Posted : 21 October 2022 13:26:57(UTC)
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I had forgotten about the ashtray. and Märklin did not include the notice with my locomotive.
Pages 30 and 31 in the PDF manual:
https://static.maerklin....1434ff87d91662355824.pdf

I don't know if this is included in the printed manual.

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#50 Posted : 21 October 2022 13:44:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
I had forgotten about the ashtray. and Märklin did not include the notice with my locomotive.
Pages 30 and 31 in the PDF manual:
https://static.maerklin....1434ff87d91662355824.pdf

I don't know if this is included in the printed manual.



No, that information was not included in my printed manual, or in the manual I downloaded.
but I'm not surprised, Marklin has done things like this before. they update things but they don't inform us about the updates......
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