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bph		#1 Posted : 03 August 2022 18:00:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,034		Some videos have appeared on the new Br 06 39662 I also note that some have reported issues with its running behaviour. eg this thread:https://www.stummiforum.de/t205824f2-Probleme-mit-der-neuen-BR-bekannt.html Has someone on this forum received theirs, and given it a test? any issues?
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franciscohg		#2 Posted : 03 August 2022 19:37:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,289 Location: Patagonia		Well, i was a little worried about those reports. I have just sent an email to my dealer and he replies that half of the locos received had the problem, so they are all on the way back to Goeppingen now and shipping processing has been delayed. Patiente is a virtue!!! Best regards Francisco
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steventrain		#3 Posted : 03 August 2022 20:27:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,661 Location: United Kingdom		The 39662 request for min radius curved is 437mm. See manual page 10 wrote 'The minimum usable radius is 437,5 mm / 17,22”.'. The video show loco slipping is on curved turnouts 24671/2 both was radius 360mm.
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franciscohg		#4 Posted : 03 August 2022 21:49:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,289 Location: Patagonia		Well, it seems that there is some discrepancy about advertised/published minimum radius. Also as per marklin Mail to dealers the problem exists and they are aware of it. My model was on hold waiting to be shipped with the cars and when asked, my dealer answered very quickly. Regards
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rbonet		#5 Posted : 03 August 2022 21:56:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 140 Location: Barcelona, Spain		Hi, 24671/2 turnouts are R2. They correspond exactly to a 24224 curved track, i.e., R2=437,5mm 24,3º. It is a pity if the 39662 is not able to negotiate these turnouts. Regards, Rafael
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JohnjeanB		#6 Posted : 03 August 2022 21:59:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,343 Location: Paris, France		Hi BHP Thanks for the videos. Beautiful loco, as usual you may expect it to accept R1 (although Märklin says R2). I can see the first bogie axle "taking off" sometimes and being frozen I trust Märklin to cover this point. The 2 other large Märklin locos I have 39241 (SNCF A65) 39243 (EST)n are riding on R1 much better that many other large Märklin locos (BR 45) I am a bit disappointed by the pulsed steam (when compared with REE locos) and also by the sound. The conceptor says a large LP and a "ResonnazKörper" was added but still the sound is not up to the model. Just my opinion. I have ordered one. We will see Cheers Jean
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DV		#7 Posted : 04 August 2022 05:32:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/11/2009(UTC) Posts: 956 Location: Mount Barker, South Australia		From Mother Mä We have received isolated reports from trading partners that some of the machines delivered have abnormal driving behavior in the border areas. Affected locomotives may stutter when cornering slowly. If machines that you have received are affected by this behavior, the malfunction can already be observed on the first trip. In this case, please send the locomotives back to us. We will ensure that your locomotives are fully functional as soon as possible. I would say that this is a loose translation from German.
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river6109		#8 Posted : 04 August 2022 06:13:55(UTC) Retweet
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Chipopo		#9 Posted : 04 August 2022 08:16:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 112		mine arrived yesterday, so not tested yet . . .
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marklinist5999		#10 Posted : 04 August 2022 14:05:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,402 Location: Michigan, Troy		My oh my! Does Marklin not have someone to test production models before release or shipments, at least every so often during the production run?
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bph		#11 Posted : 04 August 2022 15:51:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,034		it seems that Märklin has put the shipments on hold until they have investigated and hopefully solved this. (info from a dealer) So will have to wait a bit, but that is better than having to return it.
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dickinsonj		#12 Posted : 05 August 2022 01:05:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,730 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: bph it seems that Märklin has put the shipments on hold until they have investigated and hopefully solved this. (info from a dealer) So will have to wait a bit, but that is better than having to return it. Good to know. Now I am glad that I don't have mine yet!
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foumaro		#13 Posted : 05 August 2022 10:15:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,426 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		I am much more glad i did not order this loco.
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steventrain		#14 Posted : 05 August 2022 11:04:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,661 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: foumaro I am much more glad i did not order this loco. Me too, I haven't order any from Germany because of Brexit.
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jcrtrains		#15 Posted : 05 August 2022 15:18:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/10/2009(UTC) Posts: 602 Location: Toronto, Ontario		For those who can't wait or want a slightly less expensive, proven model, I personally have always found the Brawa BR 06 to be excellent. I have had mine for close to twenty years. I suspect there is very little aesthetic difference given the streamlined body. Brawa BR 06 Ebay
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Goofy		#16 Posted : 05 August 2022 22:49:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,143		The locomotive are big and it seems that under frame with 4 axles are not fit for the narrow curves. Märklin recommended minimum R2 for the curves and turnouts.
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David Dewar		#17 Posted : 05 August 2022 23:44:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,383 Location: Scotland		Originally Posted by: steventrain Originally Posted by: foumaro I am much more glad i did not order this loco. Me too, I haven't order any from Germany because of Brexit. STEPHEN If you want this Loco why not buy from Germany. Dealer will deduct VAT and it is not a problem sending it to your country. Buying in the UK would cost considerably more. Would wait though to ensure the problem has been fixed.
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dickinsonj		#18 Posted : 06 August 2022 01:39:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,730 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB I am a bit disappointed by the pulsed steam (when compared with REE locos) and also by the sound. In the first video the steam effect was diminished by the light backgrounds IMO. I thought that it look very nice in the second video. The third was obviously a hit job - causing it to fail and then documenting it. Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB The conceptor says a large LP and a "ResonnazKörper" was added but still the sound is not up to the model. I agree that the lcoc sounds on the videos were not impressive. But then that could easily be a function of the quality of the recording source. If it was done on a phone it is probably not realistic, at least in my experience. I am willing to sacrifice by getting one and hearing for myself. I will report!
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clapcott		#19 Posted : 06 August 2022 02:55:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,441 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		Originally Posted by: rbonet 24671/2 turnouts are R2. They correspond exactly to a 24224 curved track, i.e., R2=437,5mm 24,3º. I do not believe this is correct. Refer pg7 & 8 https://static.maerklin....b114c038d61569316941.pdf
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rbonet		#20 Posted : 06 August 2022 08:43:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 140 Location: Barcelona, Spain		Originally Posted by: clapcott Originally Posted by: rbonet 24671/2 turnouts are R2. They correspond exactly to a 24224 curved track, i.e., R2=437,5mm 24,3º. I do not believe this is correct. Refer pg7 & 8 https://static.maerklin....b114c038d61569316941.pdf You are right, I was thinking on the 24611/2. My mistake.
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bph		#21 Posted : 06 August 2022 12:26:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,034		Originally Posted by: steventrain The 39662 request for min radius curved is 437mm. See manual page 10 wrote 'The minimum usable radius is 437,5 mm / 17,22”.'. The video show loco slipping is on curved turnouts 24671/2 both was radius 360mm. Hi Marklin writes this on the 39662 web product page: (the text can also be found in the Märklin New Items Catalog 2022 and in the insider magazine) The locomotive can be run without limitation on the 437.5 mm / 17-1/4" radius (Radius 2) if attention is paid to the clearance gauge. The locomotive can also be run on the 360 mm / 14-3/16" radius (Radius 1) if the clearance gauge is ignored. However, this text is not present on the german page......
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Drongo		#22 Posted : 20 August 2022 08:25:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,232 Location: Sydney, NSW		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 My oh my! Does Marklin not have someone to test production models before release or shipments, at least every so often during the production run? They probably do - in Australia when someone doesn't do their job correctly, we call them "Bludgers". Look it up in Google.
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DV		#23 Posted : 20 August 2022 08:48:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/11/2009(UTC) Posts: 956 Location: Mount Barker, South Australia		An update from Mother Mä The anomalies result from the unfavorable addition of tolerances for various operating parameters, in which these unwanted effects could occur in the case of minimal deviations. Corrections were therefore done by us during production so that these anomalies are resolved. Due to the extreme length of the locomotive coupled with its wheel arrangement, there is however, a clarification phase for running behavior on curves. In general, operation on Radius R1 is not out of the question for us. This is however possible only with an appropriate adjustment in speed. Unfavorable track configurations coupled with less than optimal installation of the trackage can lead to limited operating behavior. Anyone wanting to be on the safe side should avoid this radius with this model if possible. We regret that there has been a delay in the delivery of this model due to this anomaly and ask that you excuse the inconveniences. Further deliveries will resume shortly.
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Drongo		#24 Posted : 21 August 2022 01:30:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,232 Location: Sydney, NSW		Originally Posted by: DV An update from Mother Mä The anomalies result from the unfavorable addition of tolerances for various operating parameters, in which these unwanted effects could occur in the case of minimal deviations. Corrections were therefore done by us during production so that these anomalies are resolved. Due to the extreme length of the locomotive coupled with its wheel arrangement, there is however, a clarification phase for running behavior on curves. In general, operation on Radius R1 is not out of the question for us. This is however possible only with an appropriate adjustment in speed. Unfavorable track configurations coupled with less than optimal installation of the trackage can lead to limited operating behavior. Anyone wanting to be on the safe side should avoid this radius with this model if possible. We regret that there has been a delay in the delivery of this model due to this anomaly and ask that you excuse the inconveniences. Further deliveries will resume shortly. All this should have been sorted out during the testing phase. In plain English - the testing department are NOT doing a good job and Marklin senior management need to investigate.
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60904		#25 Posted : 23 August 2022 22:44:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 306		Originally Posted by: rbonet Hi, 24671/2 turnouts are R2. They correspond exactly to a 24224 curved track, i.e., R2=437,5mm 24,3º. It is a pity if the 39662 is not able to negotiate these turnouts. Regards, Rafael Sorry, but you are wrong, 24671/2 are Radius 1! Just like 24130.
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rbonet		#26 Posted : 24 August 2022 16:19:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 140 Location: Barcelona, Spain		I agreed some days ago. My mistake was with the references. 24611/2 are R2. Rafael
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5HorizonsRR		#27 Posted : 24 August 2022 18:39:05(UTC) Retweet
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60904		#28 Posted : 06 September 2022 13:00:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 306		Is there anybody around from the States who might post a picture of a loco sold in the USA? I'd like to know about a sticker "Made in...."
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H0		#29 Posted : 06 September 2022 13:57:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,344 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: steventrain The video show loco slipping is on curved turnouts 24671/2 both was radius 360mm. According to the manual, two parts must be unscrewed from the loco for operation on R1 curves. And distance between loco and tender must be "long". I cannot see on the video if those parts have been removed.
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60904		#30 Posted : 06 September 2022 15:28:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 306		For me it looks like they have been taken away.
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mbarreto		#31 Posted : 06 September 2022 16:56:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,274		I received my 39662 yesterday and I am very positively impressed but didn't test yet on curves. Just straights. In the manual is mentioned to not run very slow or very fast in turnouts, but I think it is only for M track. The Brawa BR 06s also have parts that need to be removed for the use in short radius curves.
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1borna		#32 Posted : 06 September 2022 21:21:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,417 Location: Hrvatska		Even the real Br 06 had problems at the switchbacks, it often jumped out. In addition, due to the large length and weight of the boiler, it was prone to cracking! Wiki says: The two Class 06 locomotives built by the firm of Krupp in 1939 were the largest, heaviest and most powerful locomotives in the Deutsche Reichsbahn. They were built for heavy express train duties in hilly terrain. The performance requirement was for the transportation of 650 tons at 120 km/h. On ramps of 1:100 it was to still be capable of maintaining 60 km/h. The Class 06 was given the same boiler as the Class 45 and many of the same components as the Class 41. The running gear, with four coupled axles, had a wheelbase of 6,75 m. In trials, the vehicles confirmed their remarkable capability and running qualities. However the locomotives tended to derail in tight turnout curves. And, like the Class 45s, the boilers developed cracks, leaky tubes and popped stay bolts, so that the locomotives were unconvincing when hauling measurement vehicles or scheduled trains. As a result of the war no more were produced. After the Second World War there was no longer a requirement for a locomotive of this size, so that neither the necessary structural modification of the engines was carried out, nor did any follow-on orders result. Both engines were seen as having a faulty design and were retired by the Deutsche Bundesbahn in 1951 in Frankfurt am Main and scrapped, because the DB refused to replace their boilers.
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dickinsonj		#33 Posted : 07 September 2022 00:58:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,730 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: 60904 Is there anybody around from the States who might post a picture of a loco sold in the USA? I'd like to know about a sticker "Made in...." I will post a picture showing where it was made when I get mine, if someone doesn't beat me to it. My dealer still shows this as not yet available however and deliveries in the States seems even slower than normal these days..
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mbarreto		#34 Posted : 07 September 2022 15:17:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,274		The coupler is the new close coupler and until now it is working very well.
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bph		#35 Posted : 07 September 2022 15:56:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,034		Originally Posted by: mbarreto The coupler is the new close coupler and until now it is working very well. Thanks for the information, I wondered when Märklin would start to deliver new locomotives with the new close coupler. I'm waiting for mine, and according to my dealer it might take a while.... but I'm in no rush, and it's better to get a working one instead of having to return it.
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owidgie		#36 Posted : 07 September 2022 23:39:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/06/2007(UTC) Posts: 155		My dealer still shows this as not yet available however and deliveries in the States seems even slower than normal these days.. I was told that when Marklin USA heard there was a problem with them they talked to the factory and were able to stop the shipment to have the problem corrected so that none in North America would have the problem - Unless the customer purchased one from Europe. This is most likely the reason for the delay. Rick
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mbarreto		#37 Posted : 08 September 2022 00:09:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,274		My dealer told me they were noticed from Märklin and the issue was found only on the first S/Ns. Mine was not in those early S/Ns and he tested it with good results, I was told. I will test mine in R2 curves and turnouts tomorrow or after. Miguel
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dickinsonj		#38 Posted : 08 September 2022 01:26:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,730 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: owidgie I was told that when Marklin USA heard there was a problem with them they talked to the factory and were able to stop the shipment to have the problem corrected so that none in North America would have the problem Rick Thanks for the info Rick. That is good to know and I am in no hurry at all. I actually like the fact that the US is usually late to get stuff, because we sometimes avoid problems that the early deliveries uncover. Remember the long 103 Insider locos? Beautiful models but some early ones had terrible window fit and new windows were mailed to them from the factory. Because mine came near the end of the production run it was, and still is perfect.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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owidgie		#39 Posted : 09 September 2022 00:17:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/06/2007(UTC) Posts: 155		And don't forget the Switching Kroc with the hood panel that was backwards! Rick
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bph		#40 Posted : 20 October 2022 23:52:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,034		Have received mine and have tested it a little. And here are some thoughts etc: Some observations: Quite heavy. of the 4 driving wheels, the two middle also flexes up and down. The motor seems to be a standard one. Visually similar to others. And also marked 324467 + HH0222 (gearbox might be slightly different) the gearbox is lubricated with a white grease, definitively not 66626 (same with other newer locomotives) did not observe any issues with 360mm metal track or metal turnouts. Marklin managed to set the volume “lausterke grundrauchen” to a sensible value, 120. Slow driving improved after a decoder calibration. And I could tune down the minimum speed to 3. Note: Reverse requires a little more throttle on the CS3, because of how it is set up from the factory. this can be "solved" by adjusting the "Correction Factor Rev." from 80 to 128(same as forward) (cv95). (personally, I prefer forward and reverse setting to be equal) Pros: drives nicely on a wide radius K track (when it’s even). not too complicated to open, but be aware of the connected wires improved dynamic smoke chamber design. It is now possible to mostly empty the chamber with a syringe etc. fairly good sound project. Cons: needs a very even track, and spins easily on M track. Does not like old M curved turnouts (5140) and 5100 curved R1 track, or K track 2221 . I find it unusable on R1 radius. and I notice as I write this that Märklin still has this sentence on the English product page: “The locomotive can also be run on the 360 mm / 14-3/16" radius (Radius 1) if the clearance gauge is ignored.” Some pictures for those who like that. The motor and decoder The decoder board with the circuits for the dynamic smoke generator: The dynamic smoke generator: https://hovland.net/bilder/mj/R5_B2090.jpg Edited by user 21 October 2022 19:55:37(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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JohnjeanB		#41 Posted : 21 October 2022 00:24:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,343 Location: Paris, France		Hi Thanks BHP for this information. I am still waiting for mine (from Härtle in Germany). The vendor says Märklin is late because they are correcting issues on R1 especially when in reverse. I think I remember having read that this loco was not recommended for M track (Maybe the user's manual). Just my comment: early (1970 and before) M track was very unprecise and much better later (1980 till 1999) Regarding R1 on C track, once the ashtray is removed, the tender is set with the maximum distance and the streamline covers near the pistons are removed, then the loco should run OK. After all 2 same size locos 39241 and 39243 that I have run very well also on R1 switches and tracks. Cheers Jean
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franciscohg		#42 Posted : 21 October 2022 00:37:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,289 Location: Patagonia		Hello I received mine a week ago. I felt it not that heavy IMHO, removed the ashtrays and i must say that i am very happy with it, running flawlessly with 5 wagons and R1 and R2 Mtrack with 5% grades. Indeed she does not like curved turnouts very much, but that is almost a standard with newer and other brands locomotives, so one pair is already gone and the other will be out at the same moment that i receive a couple of 5200 ones. Overall very, very happy with the loco and its performance. Regards
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dickinsonj		#43 Posted : 21 October 2022 01:04:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,730 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Thanks for the review and pictures bph. Your observation is interesting about the gearbox grease appearing to not be the normally recommended 66626. Is that still what is called out in the manual? I killed the motor in my S 2/6 (37015) applying excess grease to the gearbox. With this gearbox being adjacent to the motor that might be a cause for concern. I no longer pack the gearboxes as full as yours came from the factory and I wonder if the different lubricant is related to that problem. Cheers
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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JohnjeanB		#44 Posted : 21 October 2022 01:41:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,343 Location: Paris, France		Hi Jim Originally Posted by: dickinsonj With this gearbox being adjacent to the motor that might be a cause for concern. I have my doubts about the gearbox killing the motor (can types) unless the grease is hard. Indeed Märklin seems to be using a different grease during manufacturing (looking like lithium grease) from the recommended Trix 66626 much more yellow). My experience is what kills motors is when the minimum speed is set too low. Märklin sets it to 5 ALWAYS to avoid problems. Not very attractive but it reduces risks for Märklin. I use to reduce it to 1 (if the motor starts every time) but now I rather use 2, 3 or 4 depending the case. Indeed it is much nicer to see a very smooth low-speed start BUT the risk is, when you run many locos simultaneously often in hidden places (fiddle yard) you may not realise one loco is stalling at slow speed. Rapidly it burns the motor. I have observed burnt Märklin motors running very smoothly but with a very impedance (10 Ohms instead of the 40 - 50 Ohms) the excess load burns the decoder). If you wait some more then the motor is in short circuit unless the decoder gives up first. Just what I have observed on my locos cheers Jean
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dickinsonj		#45 Posted : 21 October 2022 01:56:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,730 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Thanks for the input Jean. I never changed the minimum speed from whatever Märklin set at the factory and it definitely never stalled or was subjected to an overload. The motor problems started with some squeaking sounds on occasion but it still ran fine. Eventually it would not run at all and I replaced the motor. Several people here on the forum suggested that grease migrating into the motor from overfilled gearboxes was a known cause for Märklin can motor failures, and that made sense to me. I just saw the old motor in my parts bin yesterday and realized that I never opened it to try to determine why it failed. Before I removed the motor I ran it while holding it in my hand and it had a very strong shake which I thought might be a damaged bearing. One of these days I will open it up and see if I can determine what happened. These are not high quality motors or expensive and I don't really know what killed it. But the grease intrusion makes sense because of the proximity of the gearbox. Luckily this is the only Märklin can motor failure I have had and it was cheap and easy to replace.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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bph		#46 Posted : 21 October 2022 11:40:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,034		Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Thanks for the review and pictures bph. Your observation is interesting about the gearbox grease appearing to not be the normally recommended 66626. Is that still what is called out in the manual? I killed the motor in my S 2/6 (37015) applying excess grease to the gearbox. With this gearbox being adjacent to the motor that might be a cause for concern. I no longer pack the gearboxes as full as yours came from the factory and I wonder if the different lubricant is related to that problem. Cheers The manual recommends 66626, (repackaged Shell Gadus S2 V220 2) But I have been thinking that maybe using white grease that is non-conducting might be a better option to use on those gearboxes. but I would like to know what stuff Marklin uses, and if it has the right properties I would get some of that. On the 39662 gearboxes I pushed the grease down and it was only "blocked" at the top, it was not overfilled.
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bph		#47 Posted : 21 October 2022 13:00:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,034		Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Hi Thanks BHP for this information. I am still waiting for mine (from Härtle in Germany). The vendor says Märklin is late because they are correcting issues on R1 especially when in reverse. I think I remember having read that this loco was not recommended for M track (Maybe the user's manual). Just my comment: early (1970 and before) M track was very unprecise and much better later (1980 till 1999) Regarding R1 on C track, once the ashtray is removed, the tender is set with the maximum distance and the streamline covers near the pistons are removed, then the loco should run OK. After all 2 same size locos 39241 and 39243 that I have run very well also on R1 switches and tracks. Cheers Jean Thanks, Jean, I had forgotten about the ashtray. and Märklin did not include the notice with my locomotive. But still even with the ashtray removed, it still often derails in the curved turnouts and runs poorly on R1. I notice that the inside of the front wheels lifts up for some reason, probably because they hit the steam cylinder. (photo taken on a curved turnout, and ashtrays removed) I have inspected the front wheels and even tried to tension the spring slightly, but no improvements. I have also tested on some R1 K-track, and the behaviour is similar. My M track stuff is 1980 and later, and my 39241 runs without any issues on the same track :) Edited by user 22 October 2022 10:29:58(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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bph		#48 Posted : 21 October 2022 13:20:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,034		Originally Posted by: franciscohg Hello I received mine a week ago. I felt it not that heavy IMHO, removed the ashtrays and i must say that i am very happy with it, running flawlessly with 5 wagons and R1 and R2 Mtrack with 5% grades. Indeed she does not like curved turnouts very much, but that is almost a standard with newer and other brands locomotives, so one pair is already gone and the other will be out at the same moment that i receive a couple of 5200 ones. Overall very, very happy with the loco and its performance. Regards Hi. good yours is working fine, have you noticed if your front wheels lift up on the inside?
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H0		#49 Posted : 21 October 2022 13:26:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,344 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: bph I had forgotten about the ashtray. and Märklin did not include the notice with my locomotive. Pages 30 and 31 in the PDF manual: https://static.maerklin....1434ff87d91662355824.pdf I don't know if this is included in the printed manual.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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bph		#50 Posted : 21 October 2022 13:44:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,034		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: bph I had forgotten about the ashtray. and Märklin did not include the notice with my locomotive. Pages 30 and 31 in the PDF manual: https://static.maerklin....1434ff87d91662355824.pdf I don't know if this is included in the printed manual. No, that information was not included in my printed manual, or in the manual I downloaded. but I'm not surprised, Marklin has done things like this before. they update things but they don't inform us about the updates......
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