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Offline rhfil  
#1 Posted : 14 October 2021 20:09:33(UTC)
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Older German freight cars have a black plaque which usually have three symbols on them. One of them seems to be the crest of the kingdom they are from but I have long wondered what the other two are. One looks like a variant of a cross or a route layout while the other seems to be a collection of boxes. Any idea what they represent.
Offline Carim  
#2 Posted : 14 October 2021 22:18:38(UTC)
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#3 Posted : 15 October 2021 02:30:12(UTC)
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Hello rhfil

I assume you mean this chalk-board used on German wagons.
That is a really interesting question, thanks for asking.
I suppose you might be referring to era I where the railways were owned by the various German states such as Prussia or Bavaria.
Freight route board

Without researcing this, I have always believed it to be used to chalk messages for routing the wagon.
In right bottom corner is a spring-loaded pocket net to hold a waybill (card or paper) showing load, customer and destination detail.
The white cross(es) are used to chalk junction station names if needed to arrive at the destination.
I have no idea of the three boxes.
Above the boxes is the word Übergangsettel which means labels for transit (my guess).

Someone else here may throw further light on this subject.

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Offline rhfil  
#4 Posted : 15 October 2021 16:04:19(UTC)
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Did not know that was a chalkboard. Seeing the Kingdom crest I assumed that all the information on the plaque was permanent but knowing it is a chalkboard and changeable makes me think that the upper left symbol is perhaps a routing map and the bottom symbol is the number of cars in the shipment. Just a guess though.
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Offline analogmike  
#5 Posted : 15 October 2021 23:34:17(UTC)
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For some reason I can't get the video to cut and paste into the forum post. Maybe youtube is up to something new blocking stuff, I don't know.
The video is titled "Bundesbahn- Lehrfilme Rangier Dienst" You can search it that way. It shows the use of the chalk board on freight wagons along with other cool old stuff.
Mikey

Edited by user 16 October 2021 03:03:31(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline PJMärklin  
#6 Posted : 16 October 2021 04:41:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: analogmike Go to Quoted Post
For some reason I can't get the video to cut and paste into the forum post. Maybe youtube is up to something new blocking stuff, I don't know.
The video is titled "Bundesbahn- Lehrfilme Rangier Dienst" You can search it that way. It shows the use of the chalk board on freight wagons along with other cool old stuff.
Mikey



Hi Mikey,

Thanks for information about this interesting video which I enjoyed viewing.
Seems playback on other sites has been barred, but one can play direct by clicking below on "watch on YouTube".



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Offline Purellum  
#7 Posted : 16 October 2021 09:58:59(UTC)
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Cool

Originally Posted by: analogmike Go to Quoted Post
The video is titled"Bundesbahn- Lehrfilme Rangier Dienst"


I find it interesting to see that the actually use a "Wooden hand uncoupler" BigGrin

( From 7:45 to 8:45 )

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Offline rhfil  
#8 Posted : 16 October 2021 16:01:59(UTC)
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So it appears that the crosses and boxes are standard on the chalkboards and the crosses are for crossing information. "Ubergang" means crossing and I can not find any definition of "settel". Unfortunately my German is too basic to understand the narration of the great film but it appears to me that it is the form they keep writing on. Would love an English version of it.
Offline DaleSchultz  
#9 Posted : 16 October 2021 17:03:00(UTC)
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amazing video, fabulous documentation of the operations.
Those men earned their money and every day someone did not get killed was a good day.

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Offline DaleSchultz  
#10 Posted : 16 October 2021 17:16:38(UTC)
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The word is Zettel = a note or 'chit' - small piece of paper

The lines on the board do not represent tracks, it is more like a blank form for dates times and track numbers in a standard layout.

What keeps me awake at night is who washes them all off and when...

Dale
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Offline rhfil  
#11 Posted : 16 October 2021 18:13:28(UTC)
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What I found to be very informative was how complex marshalling a consist was. Also the depiction of something we immaturely joked about in my youth - humping cars. Getting a placard that said "Do not hump" was a goal of all us collegiate males.
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