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Offline ocram63_uk  
#1 Posted : 25 June 2021 16:19:37(UTC)
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Good afternoon, having read some of the 'DB E03 train consists 1965-67' thread in the Prototype forum I am now wondering which of the many versions of this loco I could buy.

I have 3coaches for this loco: 2 x 4095 and 4097
I will need the panoramic one too soon

In 1967 there was a 3053. This is the one with the screws on the roof. Bit outdated today.

In 2009 / 2010 there was a 37575 - I have also discovered that there is a 37577. The difference between the two seems to be in the sound decoder functions available for the latter.

In 2017 / 2018 there was a 39170 listed.

Are there any other models of this loco ?

I recall the E 03 when I first saw it in a catalogue and I prefer Era III trains to more recent ones.

I've looked on the UK / European 'bay' for these numbers and there are a couple at interesting prices, i.e < 200 GBP

Other suggestions ?
Thank you
Marco
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Offline mike c  
#2 Posted : 25 June 2021 19:39:49(UTC)
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The 4095, 4096 and 4097 coaches were among the original 27cm coaches produced by Maerklin. There was also the 4098 which was a 4095 with taillights and the 4099 panorama coach. Maerklin never made the ARDm Bar coach to go with this series. These coaches still had center mounted bogies and coupling shafts which resulted in excessive spacing between coaches. Maerklin later released the 42990 and 42991 sets of 3 coaches each in this livery with close couplings.

With certain changes, the E03/103 has been around in a number of variants since the late 60s/early70s.
There were versions in red/beige and black, red/beige and in DB Traffic Red.

If you go to http://www.bahn.hfkern.d...erklin/Dt_Loks_E103.html you will find a list which goes from 1966-2003

If you want a classic consist, look for the 3053 with the 24cm metal coaches 4085-4090.
I already mentioned the 27cm coaches that you already have plus the newer versions with close couplings.
There were also the 4295-4298 coaches in the red/beige livery (IC) of the late 70s/1980s (no dome car)

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Mike C
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#3 Posted : 25 June 2021 21:44:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
... and the 4099 panorama coach.


If operating a digital layout, don't forget the panorama coach is available as one of the first digital rolling stop items that Marklin made as 4999.

They are expensive for what you get and don't come up for sale often, but are a talking point on the layout with visitors.

Also remember that the 3053 version of the E03 is prone to paint flaking as they hadn't used an etch primer on the plastic - or whatever it is they do to make the paint stick.
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Offline ocram63_uk  
#4 Posted : 25 June 2021 23:23:24(UTC)
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The 4999 I found on the 'bay' cost between 200 and 300 euros. For a coach? They must be crazy. Never!!

Is 27 cm the 'correct' lenght or it still is a shorter Marklin gizmo?

I had the coaches for the TEE in the late 70s bought in Lugano in a very posh shop. Don't recall if they were tin plate or not though.

I've seen a few 3053 and the paint jobs are really awful so I guess I will opt for the 37577, more modern.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#5 Posted : 26 June 2021 00:02:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ocram63_uk Go to Quoted Post
The 4999 I found on the 'bay' cost between 200 and 300 euros. For a coach? They must be crazy. Never!!


Yep, that would be the going rate for them. But only if using a digital layout.
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#6 Posted : 26 June 2021 00:08:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ocram63_uk Go to Quoted Post
The 4999 I found on the 'bay' cost between 200 and 300 euros. For a coach? They must be crazy. Never!!



The 4999 has several lighting options built in, and also the motorised waiter who walks up and down the aisle delivering drinks.

That and the 4998 disco coach (disco lighting effects, choice of dance music, and several motorised dancing couples inside) were some of the most complex coaches ever made by Märklin. They were made in limited numbers, and have always been quite expensive as they are each unique of their type. Make a good talking point for visitors who have never seen anything like them before.

Nigel
Märklin collector since age 5.
H0 Collection from 1935 to today.
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Offline H0  
#7 Posted : 26 June 2021 00:18:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ocram63_uk Go to Quoted Post
I recall the E 03 when I first saw it in a catalogue and I prefer Era III trains to more recent ones.
If you really want an era III version then get one labelled "E 03" with just a single row of ventilation grills and make sure it is not era V/VI.
37575 would be an option. 37577 is a model of the main series, built in era IV, showing the state of the ’80s without the black border below the red part.

Regards
Tom
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Offline Dave Banks  
#8 Posted : 26 June 2021 01:30:23(UTC)
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Hello Marco, I have #39573 BR EO 3 TEE spanning Era III to IV. This version has single vents.

https://www.maerklin.de/en/produ..._torrpdb_pi1%5Blang%5D=4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...MarklinModellersofSydney
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Offline ocram63_uk  
#9 Posted : 26 June 2021 09:28:57(UTC)
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Hi Dave, the 39753 has a C-Sinus motor and I steer away from them if I can. But indeed single vents are interesting and I didn't notice the difference between single and double vents
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#10 Posted : 26 June 2021 10:33:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ocram63_uk Go to Quoted Post
Is 27 cm the 'correct' lenght or it still is a shorter Marklin gizmo?
I had the coaches for the TEE in the late 70s bought in Lugano in a very posh shop. Don't recall if they were tin plate or not though.


I believe they should be 303mm for correct H0 scale length.
They are plastic coaches.
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
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Offline H0  
#11 Posted : 26 June 2021 11:08:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hxmiesa Go to Quoted Post
I believe they should be 303mm for correct H0 scale length.
Yes. Most German TEE coaches should be 303 mm in H0 scale, some dining or bar coaches even 316 mm.
The latest Märklin versions are 282 mm. This is 1:93.5 for normal coaches, 1:97 for those longer dining or bar coaches.
For coaches in 1:87, look at Piko or Roco or other brands.

Regards
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Offline ocram63_uk  
#12 Posted : 26 June 2021 11:09:29(UTC)
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So i measured the 3 type of coaches I have and this is what comes out:
Shortest: tin plate
Middle lenght: 4095-4097 i.e. 27 cm
Full lenght: Roco exact 1:87

Thank you hxmiesa
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Offline ocram63_uk  
#13 Posted : 26 June 2021 12:58:41(UTC)
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@mike_c Thank you for the link. The only E 03 are the 3053 and 39573, all the rest are E 103. Interesting.
Looking at the 'bay' the 3053 are all in bad / very bad conditions when it comes to paintwork as well as having problems with the windshields or other windows.

I found:
a 3053 already converted to digital with a 6080 decoder which seems ok
a 37577 in more than good conditions

they both cost the same but between the two this time I'll go for the 37577 even if it has two rows of grids on the side :-)
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Offline mike c  
#14 Posted : 26 June 2021 17:55:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
... and the 4099 panorama coach.


If operating a digital layout, don't forget the panorama coach is available as one of the first digital rolling stop items that Marklin made as 4999.

They are expensive for what you get and don't come up for sale often, but are a talking point on the layout with visitors.

Also remember that the 3053 version of the E03 is prone to paint flaking as they hadn't used an etch primer on the plastic - or whatever it is they do to make the paint stick.



I specifically did not mention the 4999 nor any variants of TEE coaches which do not correspond to the time frame addressed in the question.
The 4999 was a digital model of the dome car when it was operated by the Swiss Mittelthurgau Travel Bureau (Reisebüro Mittelthurgau) as 'Trans Europ Panorama"
The same applies to the 4147/4247, 4153 and other models with the later IC livery.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline mike c  
#15 Posted : 26 June 2021 17:59:44(UTC)
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It's not Maerklin and it's not AC, but if you really want a nice E03: https://brassdepartment....ic-locomotiveusd-850-00/

Regards

Mike C
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Offline ocram63_uk  
#16 Posted : 26 June 2021 18:29:42(UTC)
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Mike, this is a beautiful 'beast' !!!
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Offline mvd71  
#17 Posted : 26 June 2021 23:07:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ocram63_uk Go to Quoted Post
@mike_c Thank you for the link. The only E 03 are the 3053 and 39573, all the rest are E 103. Interesting.
Looking at the 'bay' the 3053 are all in bad / very bad conditions when it comes to paintwork as well as having problems with the windshields or other windows.

I found:
a 3053 already converted to digital with a 6080 decoder which seems ok
a 37577 in more than good conditions

they both cost the same but between the two this time I'll go for the 37577 even if it has two rows of grids on the side :-)



That’s a good choice. The matching era 4 Roco coaches in scale length come up on eBay all the time. The earlier era 3 versions are not so common.
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Offline mike c  
#18 Posted : 30 June 2021 15:22:44(UTC)
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For anyone who might be looking for an E03/103, I came across this offer on one of the dealer sites:

https://www.jura-modelis...ns-de-fer-allemands.html

Regards

Mike C
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