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Offline mike c  
#1 Posted : 27 February 2021 04:09:22(UTC)
mike c

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I just received my 37473 Re 421 in the special livery advertising the new connection between Zurich and Munich. The SBB RABe 503 (ETR 610) are rolling directly between Zurich and Munich since December 2020 and a number of Re 421 bore this special livery in 2020 to advertise the new service.

The flagship of this route was the EC "Bavaria", consisting of one or two SBB Apm, one of the SBB's Apm Panorama coaches, a WRm restaurant coach and four or five of the Bpm coaches.

The model is my first Re 4/4 class locomotive with the new centrally mounted motor with cardan drive to both bogies. Compared to the older models, this new one has only two traction tires, one on each bogie. The older Re 4/4IIs/Re 421s had four traction tires one one bogie.

The new model has some interesting lighting functions. You can have the regular Swiss headlight functions or select either one or two red taillights. There is for the first time cab lighting and compartment lighting.

The model has a route specific station announcement. Train to Zurich Flughafen, St. Gallen and Munich.
This is interesting in that the only part of the trip for which this announcement would apply would be for Zurich HB and for Zurich-Oerlikon.

Maerklin has included a conversation between two passengers, one speaking "Bayrisch" and the other speaking "Schwyzerdüutsch"
Why a conversation within a train can be heard from far away from the train is beyond me...

I'll let you be the judge.


He is talking about how you can get from Zurich to Munich in 3.5 hours, but that connection only applies to the new service which started after the Re 421 to Lindau and diesel from there to Munich was replaced by through trains with the RABe 503. I also have a feeling that out of politeness, people talking to each other would try to use Hochdeutsch rather than going on in their own dialect...

Regards

Mike C
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Offline AshleyH  
#2 Posted : 27 February 2021 13:34:41(UTC)
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Thanks for the above Mike. As to conversations, there have been at least a couple of restaurant cars with such sounds, amusing at first, but now I never use those functions. Quite what they are doing in a loco is beyond me, too many functions that they don’t know what to do with.

I would be interested in the main sounds and lighting effects of the loco itself, and what your views are of the running quality of the new central mechanism as against the older DCM motor.

The livery could be enough to tempt me though......
Offline Unholz  
#3 Posted : 27 February 2021 14:12:14(UTC)
Unholz

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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post

Maerklin has included a conversation between two passengers, one speaking "Bayrisch" and the other speaking "Schwyzerdüutsch"
Why a conversation within a train can be heard from far away from the train is beyond me...
(...)
I also have a feeling that out of politeness, people talking to each other would try to use Hochdeutsch rather than going on in their own dialect...

Actually, they are speaking Hochdeutsch, but each of them with his/her own accent. If the Swiss person were speaking in broad dialect, nobody would understand it. LOL

But it also beats me why Märklin includes such a discussion in the sound emerging from the loco. Rather a useless or even childish feature. Blink
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Offline David Dewar  
#4 Posted : 27 February 2021 14:46:02(UTC)
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I would think that passengers talking will appear to come from a coach behind the loco. I am more interested in the running quality of the loco as sounds from other than steam locos are not really that interesting.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline mike c  
#5 Posted : 27 February 2021 19:22:41(UTC)
mike c

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David,

I really like some of the newer Roco models with sound (ICN, Taurus, Vectron, etc). Even Roco's newest Re 460 have improved sounds.
The older models (Re 4/4II, Re 6/6 and Re 460) have a very generic sound that does not sound like what I remember hearing in stations.

I think that gimmicky sounds are very tiring. How many times do you want to listen to the same conversation over and over again.
Whether it be a restaurant coach where the cook keeps burning the oil or this stupid conversation about how fast a connection between two cities is that did not even exist at the time of the conversation...

I would rather have announcements with the ultimate destination, ie "Eurocity nach Zürich", "EC nach München" as well as local and regional ones that leave options to use at different times.
My Roco BLS Re 4/4 has a nice one about a train to Domodossola with through coaches to Milano at the head of the train.

Roco Taurus (Leosoundlab/Zimo):



That's Cool!

Zuba Tech Re 460 (says ESU):


Here's the 37473 in flight Re 421 Zu-Mu.mov (5,172kb) downloaded 4 time(s).

Regards

Mike C
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Offline mike c  
#6 Posted : 27 February 2021 19:47:44(UTC)
mike c

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Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post

Maerklin has included a conversation between two passengers, one speaking "Bayrisch" and the other speaking "Schwyzerdüutsch"
Why a conversation within a train can be heard from far away from the train is beyond me...
(...)
I also have a feeling that out of politeness, people talking to each other would try to use Hochdeutsch rather than going on in their own dialect...

Actually, they are speaking Hochdeutsch, but each of them with his/her own accent. If the Swiss person were speaking in broad dialect, nobody would understand it. LOL

But it also beats me why Märklin includes such a discussion in the sound emerging from the loco. Rather a useless or even childish feature. Blink


I assumed it was Maerklin proto-Bayrisch and proto-Schwyzerduutsch

LOL

Mike C

Offline mario54i  
#7 Posted : 27 February 2021 20:32:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post

I would rather have announcements with the ultimate destination, ie "Eurocity nach Zürich", "EC nach München" as well as local and regional ones that leave options to use at different times.


Märklin Re4/4 I 10044 TEE from 26604 Rheingold set has a nice feature, F11 activates a destination announcement that changes at each step following the Rheingold route.
So it says (in German)
going forward : next stop Basel SBB, then Basel, then Lausanne, then Bern, then Geneva.
Going backwards : next stop Geneva, then Bern, then Lausanne, then Basel, then Basel SBB.
Strange order.

Regards
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#8 Posted : 27 February 2021 20:59:13(UTC)
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I think sound effects (other than loco sounds itself), should simply be played via speakers below the layout.
The effort of saving them into small digital devices in locos (decoders) is a silly and extremely expensive route to play layout sounds. Just get an old PC/Mac and play whatever sound you like from a pair of cheap speakers that will produce better sound.

Sound as if that loco was specified by the marketing department, promoting the rail connection, not train people.
Dale
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Offline marklinist5999  
#9 Posted : 27 February 2021 21:57:38(UTC)
marklinist5999

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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
I just received my 37473 Re 421 in the special livery advertising the new connection between Zurich and Munich. The SBB RABe 503 (ETR 610) are rolling directly between Zurich and Munich since December 2020 and a number of Re 421 bore this special livery in 2020 to advertise the new service.

The flagship of this route was the EC "Bavaria", consisting of one or two SBB Apm, one of the SBB's Apm Panorama coaches, a WRm restaurant coach and four or five of the Bpm coaches.

The model is my first Re 4/4 class locomotive with the new centrally mounted motor with cardan drive to both bogies. Compared to the older models, this new one has only two traction tires, one on each bogie. The older Re 4/4IIs/Re 421s had four traction tires one one bogie.

The new model has some interesting lighting functions. You can have the regular Swiss headlight functions or select either one or two red taillights. There is for the first time cab lighting and compartment lighting.

The model has a route specific station announcement. Train to Zurich Flughafen, St. Gallen and Munich.
This is interesting in that the only part of the trip for which this announcement would apply would be for Zurich HB and for Zurich-Oerlikon.

Maerklin has included a conversation between two passengers, one speaking "Bayrisch" and the other speaking "Schwyzerdüutsch"
Why a conversation within a train can be heard from far away from the train is beyond me...

I'll let you be the judge.


He is talking about how you can get from Zurich to Munich in 3.5 hours, but that connection only applies to the new service which started after the Re 421 to Lindau and diesel from there to Munich was replaced by through trains with the RABe 503. I also have a feeling that out of politeness, people talking to each other would try to use Hochdeutsch rather than going on in their own dialect...

Regards

Mike C
It's really nice! I'm happy you were able to find one! Every place I've shopped is sold out. They have the plain red SBB livery, and red/blue cargo, but I want this livery, so I have pre-ordered a Roco. One shop also has the SBB cargo RE 620.

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Offline mike c  
#10 Posted : 28 February 2021 18:38:34(UTC)
mike c

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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
It's really nice! I'm happy you were able to find one! Every place I've shopped is sold out. They have the plain red SBB livery, and red/blue cargo, but I want this livery, so I have pre-ordered a Roco. One shop also has the SBB cargo RE 620.


I provided you with at least two shops which indicate that they have this model in stock.
I am sure that there still are more. Yes, you will have to pay for shipping from EU, but if you can get the MWSt removed, it will still be cheaper than what it would cost from a North American source.

You may find that if you can find a second item to add to the order, that by dividing the shipping cost, it reduces it even more per model.

Regards

Mike C

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Offline mike c  
#11 Posted : 28 February 2021 19:23:35(UTC)
mike c

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and now a little more about the model...

This is my first model of a Maerklin Re 4/4II with the new motor driven by cardan shafts. The model has a new chassis. The location of the mounting screw has changed, so it is no longer possible to swap shells with Maerklin models with the classic motor.
One thing that I have noticed is that the couplers seem to protrude more than the earlier models, which creates a greater space between the loco and the leading coach.
The model is not equipped with a close coupling shaft and the coupling shaft is still attached to the bogie.

Mechanically, the loco is nice and smooth. I cannot speak to the longevity, as I have only had the model for a short time and it has only run a few times.
The start up and stopping is nice and smooth. The loco runs very quietly. I don't think it will be as easy to maintain as the classic Maerklin motor.
Some of my newer models require the removal/detachment of the circuit board to lubricate the cardan/gear box. The classic design was simpler and IMHO safer to maintain as there was less manipulation required.

When I look at the advances in LED technology and how some of my models have red taillights at the outside, the 37473 has a variety of light functions (single white taillight, single red taillight, dual red taillights), but the red LEDs illuminate the entire headlight and not just the outer side, as it would on the prototype. They could have developed this a little more.

The cab lighting, for the first time, has about the correct intensity for a model. On a number of my Re 460s (not just Maerklin), the cab lighting gives off more lumens that the headlights on the model, so this was a pleasant surprise. The motor compartment lights are ok, but I have not seen enough images of the prototype to see whether this is prototypical and whether it can be seen more on one side than on the other due to the layout of the internals.

My other question was about the pantographs. When compared to the Re 6/6 (620), where the most recent models have had gray painted pantographs, this model once again has metal coloured pantographs. It might have been a nice added feature to have this rendered prototypically.

The final test, which I have not done, would be to pit the new model in a test of strength against another model, to see whether it can drag a loco pulling in the other direction or push a loco that was pushing towards it. I am a little hesitant as there is some concern that the cardan drive may not fare as well when head to head with another model.

That said, I got this model to have because A) I wanted this locomotive for my SBB EC consist, B) I love SBB locos in blue, C) I wanted to have one model with the new motor and D) I love this shade of blue.

I am deciding whether I want to order the Roco model too. I could use the Loco one with my 1/87 models and the Maerklin one with the coaches from my 43672, 42174 and 43065.
Either that or one could be dedicated to freight traffic as they have been since December 2020.

Underside with Slider. You can see the drive gears behind the slider and note the single traction tire on the rear wheel (top left)
IMG_1826.jpg
You can see the new position of the screw for the shell, next to the Maerklin sticker.
IMG_1828.jpg
Here we have a clear view of the underside of the bogie, with drive gears and slider clip slots. You can again see the single traction tire (bottom right).
The new bogie pieces have a lot more plastic than the older models which were largely made out of metal*.
IMG_1825.jpg
Here you can see the top view of the model. The roof details are nicely done. The silver area is exactly as seen on photos of the prototype.
I have already addressed the issue of the plain metal pantographs. The wires on the roof are black on the prototype and not red as on the model.
IMG_1830.jpg
The real loco: https://www.bahnbilder.d...macht-auf-die-neuen.html

* The classic bogie design: https://assets.catawiki....51-b31c-31ed3f1a809d.jpg

Regards

Mike C
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Offline mario54i  
#12 Posted : 02 March 2021 10:07:50(UTC)
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I tested it with a long freight train, 30 container wagons, on a Gotthard like slope. No problems even restarting with all train on the slope. Same for an old Re421, a 37345. My impression was that the old one was more at ease.
However in real life such a train would have requested at least a Re10/10, so test largely passed.
Regards
Offline marklinist5999  
#13 Posted : 02 March 2021 13:23:37(UTC)
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BigGrin
Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
It's really nice! I'm happy you were able to find one! Every place I've shopped is sold out. They have the plain red SBB livery, and red/blue cargo, but I want this livery, so I have pre-ordered a Roco. One shop also has the SBB cargo RE 620.


I provided you with at least two shops which indicate that they have this model in stock.
I am sure that there still are more. Yes, you will have to pay for shipping from EU, but if you can get the MWSt removed, it will still be cheaper than what it would cost from a North American source.

You may find that if you can find a second item to add to the order, that by dividing the shipping cost, it reduces it even more per model.

Regards

Mike C

Yes, I saw that, thnak's! There's my dislexia! I got my 29000 MS2 set from Canada last spring and shipping was an outrages $62.00 US dealers charge about $15.00

Offline marklinist5999  
#14 Posted : 03 March 2021 01:09:01(UTC)
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BigGrin
Originally Posted by: mario54i Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post

I would rather have announcements with the ultimate destination, ie "Eurocity nach Zürich", "EC nach München" as well as local and regional ones that leave options to use at different times.


Märklin Re4/4 I 10044 TEE from 26604 Rheingold set has a nice feature, F11 activates a destination announcement that changes at each step following the Rheingold route.
So it says (in German)
going forward : next stop Basel SBB, then Basel, then Lausanne, then Bern, then Geneva.
Going backwards : next stop Geneva, then Bern, then Lausanne, then Basel, then Basel SBB.
Strange order.

Regards
Yes, and there are also many station announcement files available for download to the various sound decoders. It was coverd in the last Marklin digital zoom webinar. About a hundred in total approx. Several can be loaded on one decoder. That can take some time to play them all in succession on a route. Thery are onlne, or in the CS3 databases also???? The decoder programmer can also be used, or a dealer can install them during retrofit for a nominal fee of $5 to $10.00 US.

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Offline marklinist5999  
#15 Posted : 03 March 2021 01:13:13(UTC)
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Love Love MY 37473 RE 421 is on it's way to me from Texas!!!!! Woweee cab lighting too!! The only feature on a locomotive I am missing is operating moving pantographs. I do have a TEE dining car with one. I have no current plans for catenary though.
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Offline marklinist5999  
#16 Posted : 06 March 2021 11:21:07(UTC)
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BigGrin Mine arrived yesterday. I love it. It is heavier than the Vectron. The detail and finish are excellent as expected. I'm glad I have it as after watching a customer review of a Roco re620. The headlight lenses fall out easy and had to be glued. He likes the photo etched brass wipers, but small detail parts dislodged in shipping. So the Marklin version excellent.
One tiny issue with the mfx icon symbol. It registered with a red rail car train. The item, livery, and road name correct. When I edited the icon, there is no photo of this model in the list. I updated my CS3 last month upon delivery. I will check for another update. Perhaps new icons have been included.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#17 Posted : 06 March 2021 12:10:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post

One tiny issue with the mfx icon symbol. It registered with a red rail car train. The item, livery, and road name correct. When I edited the icon, there is no photo of this model in the list. I updated my CS3 last month upon delivery. I will check for another update. Perhaps new icons have been included.


There may well be no icon for it. Marklin have not done icons for every loco.
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Offline marklinist5999  
#18 Posted : 06 March 2021 17:56:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post

One tiny issue with the mfx icon symbol. It registered with a red rail car train. The item, livery, and road name correct. When I edited the icon, there is no photo of this model in the list. I updated my CS3 last month upon delivery. I will check for another update. Perhaps new icons have been included.


There may well be no icon for it. Marklin have not done icons for every loco.
Thank's, yes, I found there are photos online you can download to the CS3's database via the webrowser feature. I haven't ventured that far into the CS3 yet. A this locomotive road number is a repaint from the standard SBB red color with the white +> logo's, it will do for now.

Offline marklinist5999  
#19 Posted : 07 May 2021 17:55:14(UTC)
marklinist5999

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Ok, what is the lady saying on the short passenger dialogue? Eh, dis ist et
farchen or farchtung? This is a warning? I don't know the difference in high middle, nor low German, and neither does Google translator.
Offline xxup  
#20 Posted : 07 May 2021 23:23:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
...But it also beats me why Märklin includes such a discussion in the sound emerging from the loco. Rather a useless or even childish feature. Blink


Perhaps its from the two stowaways hiding in the engine room behind the driver?? Scared
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Offline marklinist5999  
#21 Posted : 07 May 2021 23:59:42(UTC)
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LOL
Originally Posted by: xxup Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
...But it also beats me why Märklin includes such a discussion in the sound emerging from the loco. Rather a useless or even childish feature. Blink


Perhaps its from the two stowaways hiding in the engine room behind the driver?? Scared
Well Adrian, one might possibly be myself!!

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