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Offline Harvey  
#1 Posted : 15 December 2020 01:19:00(UTC)
Harvey

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Location: Glen Oaks, N.Y.
For several years I have read about contact tracks but not tried. My M track, CS2 layout uses reeds and circuit tracks. I recently installed an LED strip in my two track helix and initially set up with reed tracks to turn on/off as trains enter/leave the helix. The reeds also control block sections. This works fine with 1 train running but with 2 trains, the timing of trains entering/leaving the helix can result with a wrong setting for the lights. I decided to experiment and install contact tracts on each path, understanding that as long as 1 train is within the 'contact' section the LEDs will be on. Questions I have are how to build the contact section.

M-Track. To create the isolated section I need to 'break' the connection on one of the two rails (going to O) at a beginning and end point of the isolated section. How best to create this isolated section?
- Somehow pull off the small piece at the end of the M-track, that is used to join two sections of track. Then, grind away a very small piece of rail. I tried prying off one clip - not that easy.
- Use a dremel and slice the rail - Seems this could result in a rough surface.
- Other ideas?

Once the isolated section is completed, solder a wire to the isolated rail and connect to the S-88.

S-88. Based on page 64 of the Marklin 'Running Trains Digitally with the Central Station 3' a wire from the uncut rail would be connected to the inverted T on the S88. While the track is already grounded (to the O of the transformer) I assume there is no electrical conflict in running another ground wire to the S88. The isolated section is connected to 1 of the 16 slots on the S88. That slot would have the instruction (in my case) 'Turn current on at the M84 address'. So, when a train is in this isolated section, a pulse is sent to the S88 and the M84 leaves the current on. The pulse is continually set while a wheel set is in the isolated section. Once there is no wheel set present, no pulse is sent and the light turns off. Correct?

If I connect both Sets of isolated track (the lines going up/down the helix) to the same S-88 slot, then as long as one isolated section has a wheel set present, the LED is lit. Correct? Or, do I need to use 2 connection points of the M84?

Appreciate suggestions

Regards
Harvey
Offline clapcott  
#2 Posted : 15 December 2020 05:52:46(UTC)
clapcott

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What you describe is, to me, a path of last resort.

Given that you already have operational reeds and S88, as well as a m84, I would just configure these to hold the "occupied state" of the two helix lines, and make use of the conditional controls for a Memory route when the exit sensor is triggered to ignore the turning off of the lights if the state of the "other" line is occupied.

Alternatively, you might consider a 60882 S88 (I refuse to call it -DC) in order to monitor the current draw when a train is on either helix track.
Peter
Offline Harvey  
#3 Posted : 18 December 2020 15:29:22(UTC)
Harvey

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Location: Glen Oaks, N.Y.
Peter

Thanks for the response. I came to realize that M-track can not be converted in the way C-track can be. A special (contack) track is needed for M and K and C track can be converted. I am staying with my use of reeds.

Regards
Harvey
Offline Martti Mäntylä  
#4 Posted : 18 December 2020 21:47:02(UTC)
Martti Mäntylä

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Just for the record, it is quite possible to make M-Gleis contact tracks yourself; it just takes a bit more effort. I made about 20 of them last year as a part of my digital M-gleis experiment.
- Martti M.
Era III analog & digital (Rocrail, CAN Digital Bahn, Gleisbox/MS2, K83/K84), C & M tracks, some Spur 1
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Offline mrunix  
#5 Posted : 15 February 2023 00:35:55(UTC)
mrunix

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Originally Posted by: Martti Mäntylä Go to Quoted Post
Just for the record, it is quite possible to make M-Gleis contact tracks yourself; it just takes a bit more effort. I made about 20 of them last year as a part of my digital M-gleis experiment.


Hello, could you describe how you made these?
Offline BenP  
#6 Posted : 15 February 2023 05:41:55(UTC)
BenP

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Location: Michigan, Ann Arbor
Have a look at this thread and one M solution it offered
https://www.marklin-user.../t48501-M-contact-tracks
Screenshot_20230214-233709_Chrome.jpg
Digital M (+ some K) track layout with mostly vintage rolling stock and accessories, and small Z scale layout.
https://youtube.com/play...0kgVYbh0CeDTF-bYXoD_2-V9
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Offline amartinezv  
#7 Posted : 15 February 2023 10:39:46(UTC)
amartinezv

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Joined: 25/08/2004(UTC)
Posts: 320
Location: Madrid,
Hello, good morning,
There is a way to make contact tracks with M track, basically it consists of cutting a certain length of a rail, for example 10 or 12 cm, insulate it with schrink tube, connect a cable and put it back in place. It is not difficult, but it requires a little time, I attach (I hope) some pictures.



https://photos.google.co...Z4Yez2Is06JxltyoCWbqWibd

https://photos.google.co...OO9TFkRfFEUR23njzF7RH5k2

https://photos.google.co...aBJIusFgZqAINpILaSEMur7o

https://photos.google.co...EMNjgt8ImFJwVvBu3PqLGUNl

https://photos.google.co...yL5RqrLxyfgs1QlRAohwB8OL

https://photos.google.co...3O-jD9EJ-rzASMxmPfGwzsYM

https://photos.google.co...aolKClGWtWQwxqwyMnz0pLYY

https://photos.google.co...Vtk-JtWuEbV5krGRtBpTbHp8


As the heat shrink tubing has a certain thickness, when placing it back on the track, the track bed must be sunk a little so that there is no height difference in the rail, the tube is white to show well in the pictures.
It works!

Best regards




Antonio Martínez
marklin, IB, era 3, Train controller
www.raildigital.es/davidruso
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Offline Martti Mäntylä  
#8 Posted : 15 February 2023 16:33:04(UTC)
Martti Mäntylä

Finland   
Joined: 15/11/2018(UTC)
Posts: 398
Location: Uusimaa, Helsinki
Originally Posted by: mrunix Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Martti Mäntylä Go to Quoted Post
Just for the record, it is quite possible to make M-Gleis contact tracks yourself; it just takes a bit more effort. I made about 20 of them last year as a part of my digital M-gleis experiment.


Hello, could you describe how you made these?

Hi, other members already replied on my behalf. Shrink tube is the key ingredient.

- Martti M.
Era III analog & digital (Rocrail, CAN Digital Bahn, Gleisbox/MS2, K83/K84), C & M tracks, some Spur 1
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